Samsung says it is the first in the industry to mass produce chips using the 10nm process
posted by Alan F. / Oct 16, 2016, 11:09 PM
According to the speculation, the manufacturer will use a technology called Fan-out Panel Level Package (FoPLP). This will allow Samsung to churn out the chips without using a printed circuit board for the package substrate, allowing the chips to be thinner.
If this rumor is true, dropping the node from the 14nm FinFET process used for the Snapdragon 820 SoC will make the Snapdragon 830 chipset cheaper to produce (not including the one-time cost to update the equipment needed to manufacture the chip). It also will be more frugal in terms of power consumption.
TSMC said earlier this year that it will be manufacturing chips using the 7nm process starting in the beginning of 2018. Samsung is also expected to follow suit.
I know we're all taking this nanometer tech for granted today - but this is phenomenal. My first computer had 250mb (not GB) hard drive. Today nanometer tech is talked about like it's potatoes. Mass produced 10nanometer chips deserves its own merit. Good job Samsung.
posted on Oct 16, 2016, 11:21 PM 16
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I agree to a point. But we know basically this tech, just makes chips smaller. But is smaller, always better? Today's SoC is already very small, very powerful and very efficient. But at some point, making it any smaller, won't create a higher degrees of this as the efficiency will reach its cap. Of course smaller chips, means more room for larger batteries, but Samsung is already trying to evolve battery tech, so that a battery double the size, can use the same space. Let's say 10NM only give a 10% increase in efficiency over 14NM. If that a gain large enough for the cost to even make it smaller? 14NM gave a high benefit vs 28NM. But 10NM isn't going to offer the same from 14NM, because the scale down is not as large. A move from 14Nm to 7, seems would give a similar benefit as moving from 28NM to 14NM. To me, moving from 14NM to 10NM is equal to you choosing a 2.0Ghz CPU vs a 2.7Ghz CPU.
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 1:12 PM 0
Techie, you're just a little sadist, aren't you. Even if we throw out any efficiency smaller chips yield, throw away the extra room for either cooling or other components or battery they yield, there's still so much more benefit for going smaller and smaller. Imgaine (if we keep going smaller and smaller) you can hide the entire soc in a size of a camera bump, what about inside a contact lens. Let engineers do their thing. You may not see any benefit to even try, but if we just stopped where we were comfortable - we'd be riding horses still.
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 2:52 PM 1
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Here's a idea. Let's concentrate on a safe phone and your reputation.
posted on Oct 16, 2016, 11:39 PM 3
Jeroome, I can bet they have a whole section of their industry dedicated to that, this doesn't mean that they shouldn't keep innovating. (And this is coming from an iPhone fan)
posted on Oct 16, 2016, 11:45 PM 15
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Here's an idea. Stop making yourself a fool in the comment section for the sake of your reputation. Samusng Semi conductors has nothing to do with samsung mobile or samsung battery. Three differents companies with different ways of running the company.
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 1:51 AM 7
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I bet intel will be doing 10nm end of next year, latest
posted on Oct 16, 2016, 11:45 PM 3
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They better focus on the damn crappy software. Even the S7 can run for a few years if it is supported with proper software.
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 2:39 AM 1
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Tsmc is always behind!
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 4:18 AM 1
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Dude everyone is behind Samsung...
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 8:12 AM 4
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It's a little tricky, Intel is more like 13.4nm when it says 14nm and Samsung is at 12nm when it says 10. When intel shrinks to 10nm they will be at 9.5nm. So now Samsung is ahead then intel will be then who knows?
posted on Oct 17, 2016, 7:35 PM 0
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