Samsung rumored to exclusively manufacture the Snapdragon 830 on a 10nm process

posted by Mihai A. / Oct 04, 2016, 7:54 PM

Samsung rumored to exclusively manufacture the Snapdragon 830 on a 10nm process

Although the Samsung Galaxy S8 is probably pretty far away in the future, this isn't stopping the tireless rumor mill from allegedly revealing details about the upcoming Samsung flagship. According to a recent rumor originating from South Korea, some versions of the Samsung Galaxy S8 will integrate Qualcomm's Snapdragon 830, which will be exclusively manufactured by Samsung on a 10nm node process.

According to the rumor, Samsung has scored an exclusive deal with Qualcomm to manufacture the Snapdragon 830 on a 10nm process. Allegedly, the technology will be called FoPLP, which stands for Fan-out Panel Level Package, and will enable Samsung to manufacture the chips without a printed circuit board for the package substrate. The rumor claims that Qualcomm and Samsung will jointly develop this new manufacturing technology.

If this all sounds like some rare form of Klingonian, what you need to know is that the FoPLP technology will supposedly reduce production cost, make it easier for Samsung to integrate Input/Output ports, and will make the chips thinner than before. Also, since the technology implies a 10nm node, it is expected to improve power and thermal efficiency. Neat, huh?

According to previous rumors, other versions of the Samsung Galaxy S8 will integrate Samsung's own Exynos 8895 chipset, which will also be manufactured on a 10nm node technology. As in previous years, chances are that there the differences between the Exynos 8895 and the Snapdragon 830 will be minimal.

In closing, we'd like to stress that this is nothing but an unconfirmed rumor at this point. There are many months to go before the Snapdragon 830 enters the production phase, so be prepared to hear more unofficial information about the chip and the technology behind it through the proverbial grapevine.

source: ETNews

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46 Comments

1. torr310

Posts: 1645; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

I am sick of S810 and S820 for their energy inefficiency. I hope Samsung's own Exynos will be better than Snaildragon again like this year. Also, hope Kirin and Helio will be great products next year!

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 7:58 PM 14

2. EC112987

Posts: 1214; Member since: Nov 10, 2014

Note 7 runs allllll day

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 7:59 PM 5

3. torr310

Posts: 1645; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Note 2, 3, 4,5 could do that too. I mean it should do better than that!

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 8:12 PM 0

4. sgodsell

Posts: 7207; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

There is also a SD 821. Look at the new Pixel and Pixel XL use that processor. To say it's a snail is shows how ignorant you really are. The 820, and 821 support quad channel 1866 MHz DDR4 ram. They support the new Vulkan graphics, and in some cases up to 3 times faster than OpenGL 3.1.

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 8:16 PM 2

17. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I dont see why so much people are so anti-Qualcomm now The 820 isn't even a bad chip, its good a chip even In fact, its GPU actually more efficient than the 8890's and A9's Its just got a CPU that's not as efficient as the 8890, 950 and A9/A0's Literally the only problem The 8890 and A9/A10 are better, but the 820 is still a good chip

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 11:08 PM 9

20. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

People jumped into the Qualcomm hate bandwagon when SD810 overheating issue became a thing. I still think that issue was a bit overblown, I owned an SD810 device, never had performance issues with it, it gets a bit hot when in use, but hey, what high end phone doesn't?

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 11:53 PM 6

22. Harambe unregistered

CPU is more important than GPU. In past 4 months of using my Oneplus 3, I have never played a game. A phone is supposed to be a portable productivity tool which helps you, not a gaming machine. The GPU on the 820 is really good, but the CPU is slow AND inefficient. It's not that I'm anti QUALCOMM, it's just that I'm against someone using custom CPUs that perform worse than ARM's own designs( A72). I'm using my OP3 underclocked and undervolted to get good battery life(8-10 hours SoT). If I had an exynos or kirin, that wouldn't be needed. And the A10 is less efficient than the A9. I don't like that too. Apple went overboard with the clock speed which makes the A10 throttle and heat up beyond uncomfortable levels.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 1:49 AM 1

25. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Yea, CPU is more important than GPU But the 820 still isn't a bad SoC Its just not a great as the 8890 and A9/A10 (and 950 in terms of CPU) True, the A8 is still Apple's best SoC in terms of best thermals Samsung/TSMC didn't have a node shrink ready this year, which is partly the 8890/A10 weren't as impressive as the 7420/A8/A9

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 2:22 AM 0

26. Harambe unregistered

I don't know. Qualcomm could have gone with the A72, yet they made a custom design that was worse than the A72 in performance and efficiency and stuck with it. If that's not a bad chip, I don't know what is. I don't expect custom design to be worse than the reference ones. If that is the case, the custom designs serve no purpose at all. Regarding Apple, they knew that Samsung/TSMC don't have a node shrink, yet they clocked the CPU way too high. They could have gotten away with 2 GHz, but they didn't. I would call it their mistake. The 8890 is no wonder either. It barely breaks even with A72 and is worse in many tasks. But it was the first custom ARM64 cores from Samsung and Qualcomm, so I can give them a pass. It's just going to go harder from here. We are at the point where we will get less than 10% gains every year from Apple. So android chip makers can get a break and catch up. Hoping that Samsung and Qualcomm do better next year. And I mean a lot better, like 50% better IPC.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 2:39 AM 0

27. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

The Kyros would have been in design years before the A72 announcement Custom cores take several years to design from scratch e.g. Samsung's M1 cores took 3 years to design Might be because the 820 was already taped out by the time of the A72 announcement But no one knows Yep, the blame is on Apple Just like Qualcomm at fault for the 810's issues True, the M1 also has its issues too From what I've heard there's somethings its faster in, but in those A72 isn't far behind and decently more efficient Yea, I suspect they probably already have M2/2nd gen Kryo in the pipeline But it will be interesting to see if Qualcomm and Samsung switch back to standard ARM cores in 2-3 years time or continue with custom cores

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 3:36 AM 0

35. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

in fact A72 as a bad tendency to heat up too much and throttle this is why they gone for a custom design thats dont heat as much. might not be as battery efficient but its not an oven.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:09 AM 0

34. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

SD820 CPU is not slow. wtf you guys smoking? Never had a single lag or stutter on my LG G5 game or not game. Its might not be the most efficient for battery life ( still beat the crap out of the iPhone 7 ) So if CPU more important for you fine. but for me GPU is more important. Exynos throttle the gpu like a bitch and make some game lag i dont want thats. yeah the A10 is very power hungry too...

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:08 AM 1

30. 14545

Posts: 1835; Member since: Nov 22, 2011

My problem with the snapdragons I have had/have now, are that they get hot really easily and throttle. Which turns my device into a slug. I would rather more emphasis be placed on avoiding throttling at nearly any cost.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 7:56 AM 0

36. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

SD820 dont throttle the GPU and very lil the CPU its much more efficient than exynos in thats respect.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:11 AM 0

40. 14545

Posts: 1835; Member since: Nov 22, 2011

All I know is that my S7 slows to a crawl when it gets warm from doing something processor intensive like converting a TV show from mkv->mp4 or something. Or if it's updating a bunch of apps it will slow to a crawl. I may be wrong, but it seems like it is throttling at that point.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:37 AM 0

44. iC-118

Posts: 260; Member since: Sep 29, 2016

Like my rubbish Sony Z5. Which I rooted to get rid off the throttling junk. It took me weeks to get the cpu settings and other loads off stuffs to be par.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 7:13 PM 0

33. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Thats because they are Samsung lover. Samsung succeded in copying Apple Brainwash process lol.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:06 AM 0

28. Shadocx4

Posts: 134; Member since: Oct 20, 2014

Wikipedia says the Note 4, 5, 7 support Vulkan API and Open GL ES 3.2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 6:58 AM 0

9. zex999

Posts: 92; Member since: Feb 14, 2016

I kind of agree. Every year they say the so and so chip increases by 30% or what not. Going from a bigger node to a smaller node increases efficiency. They've been saying that since smartphones were created. So why is I am not noticing much of a difference in actual battery life outside of a battery size increase? You would think 3-4 generations of increased effiency would give you infinite battery life or at least all day, yet I pretty much get the same. This I attribute to larger battery sizes and some software optimizations.

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 9:01 PM 1

23. Harambe unregistered

The chips get 30% or so more efficient, but they also get 30% more powerful, which makes the overall power consumption about the same under load. And the software is getting worse, not better. Android especially. Every new version of android gets worse battery life than previous since KitKat due to wakelocks.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 1:53 AM 1

37. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

In fact your phone are doing more and more every year. so the power need increase year after year. simple no? As for android version getting worst i would say same thing apply to iOS. iPhone 5S user on iOS 10 are complaining a lots at the store i work. Same for iPhone 6 and 6S user.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:17 AM 0

11. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3951; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

If Kirin is made with a good gpu for once it will be a beast because the energy efficiency of the K950-955 is amazing. The X30 is going to be pretty good but Huawei and it's kirin can do better. I really hope Qualcomm does something about the Snapdragons energy efficiency, you call it a Snaildragon....It isn't slow lol.

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 9:17 PM 4

14. UglyFrank

Posts: 2193; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

The battery life of the regular P9/Honour 8 looks pretty average, they need to do more.

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 9:39 PM 0

15. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3951; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

They awful screens, an example of good battery life is the mate 8. This is the HTC 10 review but since its the latest it has all the latest phones in the chart that covers battery life testhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/6 , just look at the Mate 8 its a beats and you can even go look at its review it has a really good energy efficient screen for its size. It's to bad that Huawei didn't use the most efferent screen and other stuff in the Honor 8 and P9

posted on Oct 04, 2016, 10:01 PM 1

38. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Too much hate against Qualcomm. Its not slow at all. not the most battery efficient but easily the best SOC on android for gaming. Not GPU throttling ( where all others including kirin GPU throttle a lots )

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:18 AM 0

46. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3951; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

I agree mate.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 7:42 PM 0

24. BoardDWorld

Posts: 117; Member since: Aug 17, 2016

Only the SD810, that's quite renowned. But with SD820 they learned from their mistakes. The OnePlus 3 gets the same or higher Geekbench as the S7 and has very good battery life.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 2:15 AM 0

32. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

You mean thats Exynos crap thats throttle like a bitch the GPU after 15 min of gaming? My friend on is S7 has bad lag after 15 to 30 min of gaming in the game world of tank blitz ( at max graphic because you can in the game setting choose the graphic level of many thing ) Me on my LG G5 i have no lag at all with same setting. So in the end exynos not for me. Its can be good for someone thats dont play very intensive game i guess as its do have better battery efficiency.

posted on Oct 05, 2016, 10:05 AM 0

5. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Can we say, Snapdragon done right.