Samsung rests its case seeking $421.8 million from Apple

Samsung rests its case seeking $421.8 million from Apple
Samsung has rested its case in its patent infringement case against Apple. The Korean manufacturer is seeking $421.8 million from its rival with most of that coming from the claimed infringement of two of Samsung's standard-essential patents. Samsung witness Dr. Vincent O’Brien testified that since the company started, Apple had paid $1.4 billion in licensing fees. His job was to help Samsung come up with a dollar figure to claim Apple should pay them for the alleged patent infringement.

Breaking down Samsung's claim, the company is asking for $22.8 million for three utility patents covering photo browsing, music playback, and email, with damages being limited to reasonable royalty rates. Samsung is asking for limited royalties because it says its sales were not harmed by any possible infringement of those three patents by Apple. The big bucks come from two standard-essential patents that Samsung claims were illegally used by Apple. Another expert witness called by Samsung, Dr. David Teece, told the jury that if Apple did infringe on those two Samsung patents, the amount due the Korean manufacturer should range between 2 and 2.75 percent of net profits Apple earned from selling devices with those allegedly infringed patents, or between $290 million and $399 million.

Apple will now be calling its rebuttal witnesses. Earlier today, after presenting a list of 75 pages worth of names that the tech titan wants to call, Judge Lucy Koh lost her temper as we told you earlier.

source: SlashGear



1. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

Looks like things are going good for Samsung!

16. Non_Sequitur

Posts: 1111; Member since: Mar 16, 2012

Oh, man. I'm loving this.

17. Tre-Nitty

Posts: 470; Member since: Nov 16, 2010

How because they are seeking money. You android loyalists never cease to amaze me. I love your loyalty though, I'm just not that passionate about multi billion dollar companies!

23. Santi_Santi unregistered

This is not the case. While Apple is looking for $2.5 billions for his "rectangular shape" Samsung is looking for $421 related to touch screen patents. Also, while Apple is charging $30 for each device sold by Samsung, Samsung i charging just $0.11 for each Apple device sold. Who is the greedy now?

37. imsickwithphone

Posts: 76; Member since: May 17, 2012

Funny lol XD

40. anywherehome

Posts: 971; Member since: Dec 13, 2011

no, we just hate liars, thieves, bribers, etc.: deal yourself with the facts: [dot] com/site/corpsins/ btw, are you on crack? ;)

43. Tre-Nitty

Posts: 470; Member since: Nov 16, 2010

No your just android groupies. I carry ios and android unlike people who are loyal to multi billion dollar companies. Y'all are my daily laugh.

49. anywherehome

Posts: 971; Member since: Dec 13, 2011

And Tesco rolls groupies,bmw groupies, adidas why just android........ your logic is weak......we are talking about rotten companies like Apple......and almost everyone who understands IT hates Apple not because he like android but because Apple IS rotten ;)

26. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

well yea.. its been samsung's turn to present. which is why it looked "good" for apple last week when it was their turn. :)

42. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

This is a different issue all together. We still have to hear Apple's position on this.

45. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

i think we've gotten apples "position" pretty clearly since they were first to present. Apple has time for a few rebuttal witnesses to samsung's defence and a quick cross examination by samsung, and this game is over.

46. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

We definitely have seen Apple's "position" ( I don't know why we're quoting but I'll play along) but this seems slightly different. So far most of this case dealt with Apple accusing Samsung of copying its design and infringing on their patents and Samsung has defended themselves. Now Samsung is accusing Apple for patent infringement. I haven't been closely following every detail of this trial, but from what I know, Apple has yet to even address Samsung's accusations. But I'm sure you've been following this case much more closely than I have, so I'll take your word for how much time is left.

47. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Apparently you only heard the first half of the case. Samsung has been presenting all week for its defense against apple as well as its claims that Apple is infringing on Samsung's patents. How did you miss the news about Samsung's videos to prove that Apple's patent's are junk and should not have been awarded, the pregnant samsung icon lady, and a bunch of other stuff. Both sides have "rested their case". This is just the last bit time for Apple to try deny Samsung's patent claims and for a bit of cross examining of Apple's last witnesses by Samsung.

48. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

Like I've said, I'm not as interested and invested in the case as you.


Posts: 4851; Member since: Apr 13, 2012

Back after a week's banned by PA. First comment. Really Good News!

5. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

you were second on here :-)


Posts: 4851; Member since: Apr 13, 2012

This was my first comment, not first on commenting.

3. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

"Samsung is asking for limited royalties because it says its sales were not harmed by any possible infringement by Apple." Sounds like some body is being mature about the situation and not arrogant...

6. Aeires unregistered

Wonder if that will influence the jury in any manner. Samsung could have asked for a ton of money based upon how many devices Apple sold and how much they've made from them, but chose to keep it reasonable instead. Hopefully this will end mutually acceptable and everyone can move on.

10. phitch

Posts: 214; Member since: Mar 06, 2012

No, what it sounds like is someone is planting an idea into the juries head. It is a brilliant move, Samsung showed charts that Apple is the most dominant single phone manufacturer, they showed evidence that it wasn't Samsung's infringement that made people choose the them over Apple but rather it was Apple's own inability to produce enough handsets. You can't claim a loss of profit on something that you didn't have to sell. They showed evidence that only 9% of people returning the Galaxy Tab did so because they wanted an iPad instead. Now they plant the idea of "our sales weren't harmed because of infringement." It is brilliant. They even have a very low (compared to Apple) amount they are seeking in monetary value. To me that says that Samsung is playing a very smart psychological game with the jury. Take that along with what Apple has been attempting to do in court -- a 75 page dossier for witnesses that they will never call? The jury is probably growing tired of Apple as well and Samsung is showing themselves to be a reasonable side. I can just hope that the jury invalidates several of these patents as well, especially after hearing that Apple was shown multitouch, pinch to zoom, rubberbanding, and bounce back on a touchscreen in 2003. I am not biased against Apple, I think they truly created the smartphone segment as we know it today, but at the same time their history simply doesn't match up with what they are trying to do. Most of their patents are for existing technologies or dress patents. Slide to unlock was on the neonode, their touchscreen technologies were stolen from several places including a company that demoed it to them in 2003, even iOS is nothing more than stolen open source code from the Darwin OS project. Apple's brand name is what sells their products at this point. Apple could create the next iPhone in an oval shape and people would buy it up. They spent so many years building up this reputation and brand name and all these lawsuits will do is eventually tear it down. If Apple wants to keep on top of the game, well all they really need to do is keep making phones. They don't need lawsuits to do it.

11. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

Whatever dude i didn't even read this,... the first line was enough to tell me what you think ......You are slightly paranoid and think making the "mature" decision is something else... smh

14. phitch

Posts: 214; Member since: Mar 06, 2012

Congratulations on not reading my post, maybe if you had you would have actually seen my logic behind the opening line rather than a quick thumbs down and posting how you can't be bothered. You think Samsung is making any decision based on "maturity" rather than what is best for their business and winning this case is silly. Maturity has nothing to do with it. This is about presenting yourself as the most reasonable side of the argument.

27. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

"logic" is not always the case as you can so vividly see why apple DOES NOT have this particular case "in the bag" like most people seem to think..

29. 305Bucko

Posts: 506; Member since: Aug 07, 2011

Who the hell WOULD read your post? Ima tell you like a wise woman once said when handed 75 pages: "Are you on crack?"

30. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

hahahah.......EPIC! ....just plain old epic... :)

35. phitch

Posts: 214; Member since: Mar 06, 2012

I would assume anyone who has an attention span greater than 1 minute. The idea that 3 paragraphs is too long to read is ridiculous. So please, go back to your trailer park and your minimum wage job, they suit you.

36. johnbftl

Posts: 283; Member since: Jun 09, 2012

I would and did. That is probably one of the most thought out and intelligent posts I've ever read on here. Why are you giving this person hell? It's not his/her fault you don't have the brain capacity to read 4 paragraphs. Great post phitch.

38. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

I read it

44. gwuhua1984

Posts: 1237; Member since: Mar 06, 2012

Even if he was on crack, his post was very reasonable.

51. HäckeMáte

Posts: 168; Member since: Feb 28, 2012

Really? You shouldve published a book. Im sure your "comment" was very insightful. According to the thumbsup it was awesome, but I have to agree with the others, keep it short and sweet, some of us have a life.

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