Samsung on the attack, accuses Apple of infringing on its patents

posted by Alan F. / Aug 14, 2012, 7:35 PM

Samsung on the attack, accuses Apple of infringing on its patents

Harvard's Dr. Woodward Yang

After a couple of weeks of hearing Apple constantly accuse them of infringing on its patents, it is Samsung's turn not only to defend itself, but also to try to prove its cross-claims. Those claims that Samsung is making, not surprisingly, is that the Cupertino based tech titan infringed on Sammy's own patents. On Tuesday, the Korean based manufacturer called Dr. Woodward Yang to the stand. Dr. Yang is an electrical engineering professor at Harvard and he testified that Samsung's patents for mobile devices are being used by Apple. One patent allows mobile devices to send out pictures via email.

Yang also told the jury that Samsung's patents were filed before the 2007 introduction of the Apple iPhone. Instead of focusing on wireless technology, Yang's focus was on patents covering features for smartphones. One Samsung patent covers the technology that allows smartphone users to quickly find pictures on a photo album. Apple attorney Bill Lee might have scored a point with the jury during his cross-examination. Lee got Yang to admit that he had not seen evidence that Samsung used any of these features in its phones.

source: TheGuardian

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1. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

Come on sammy keep it up!

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 7:48 PM 35

2. Tre-Nitty

Posts: 470; Member since: Nov 16, 2010

Keep up what?

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 7:57 PM 4

89. Phullofphil

Posts: 1822; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

if he really does not understand why don't you explain instead of thumb down

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 2:56 AM 1

23. JessJess unregistered

With one breath people accuse apple of 'silly' patents for obvious things. And with the other they congratulate Samsung for a patent that 'allows mobile devices to send out pictures via email.' Yay for double standards!

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 8:56 PM 8

30. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

apple's silly patents are its design patents for rectangles and squares. Do me a favor, go look at the piece with the "chart" on it that show's what apple is claiming infringement on each device. Smack in the middle of the chart at the top is (i think) 669 patent.. its easy to spot. its literally a drawing of a square with a centered screen. they have a PATENT for that. Tell me how that square looks way different from every other tablet on the market. That is silly. A patent that allows mobile devices to send pic emails is going to have to detail a specific sequence of instructions or steps in order to achieve this. Also, back when they had a patent for it, picture email was NOT common at all. Specific steps with probably a lot of programmer detail, or a rectangle.. which one is a "silly" patent?

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:06 PM 25

31. structureman116

Posts: 142; Member since: Sep 14, 2010

Did you seriously try to argue that Samsungs patent for emailing pics is "silly"? The technology to send a picture through email is a far far far cry from patenting a rectangle and the color black...

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:07 PM 14

97. JessJess unregistered

I'm not sure which to reply to so will just reply to this. Not sure where all this came from; All I said was that people accuse Apple of having 'silly' and obvious patients and that's bad. Yet Samaung have one for 'emailing photos' I mean wtf? Emailing photos? Like putting a photo... in an email.... just made me laugh that someone said 'Go sammy' and didn't comment on that. No need for everyone to get so defensive.

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 8:04 AM 2

106. zhypher_23

Posts: 195; Member since: Jun 04, 2012

You know it's easy to say "Emailing Photos is a simple patent" but when you see the dynamics of it or how it was made that's part where it kicks in and you realize it's not so plain and simple, the rectangular shape is the ridiculous patent having very very far gap from the email photo feature :)

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 9:32 AM 2

35. infernal88

Posts: 113; Member since: Jun 08, 2012

well ...look at it this way ...samsung has some silly patents ....but they didnt go in rampage suing every one over it .... but then apple came with same or even more silly patents than samsung patents to sue all competition instead of fair competition by providing better products . they only want thing to develop slow at the rate they want just to squeeze every penny consumer has and to do so they need to eliminate competition by using those stupid claims .. In my view i would support samsung , HTC , Moto ,google or watever company , and i would accept them use as much "silly " patents as long it is used to counter such acts .... but NOT TO DO the same as apple .

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:09 PM 10

48. RORYREVOLUTION

Posts: 3131; Member since: Jan 12, 2010

Could you be anymore one sided? Who took who to court here? Samsung is just defending itself. But hey I guess if someone was attacking you, you'd just stand there and take the beating and not defend yourself right? Samsung has every right to accuse Apple as Apple has the right to accuse Samsung.

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:28 PM 9

51. darkkjedii

Posts: 31291; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Uh oh Jess u made a non anti apple comment. 3 2 1...

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:31 PM 2

54. RORYREVOLUTION

Posts: 3131; Member since: Jan 12, 2010

It's not about being pro or anti anything. It's about being one sided. Samsung has the right to defend themselves in court. As stupid as Apple's patents are, so are Samsung's. But remember who starting suing who first.

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:35 PM 5

96. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

to my knowledge this is the first time samsung has ever whipped out "silly patents" for anything. And its for a counter suit, not for its own suit.

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 8:02 AM 2

99. JessJess unregistered

Yet they have them. What do you think they have them for? Will they use them when it's to their advantage?....

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 8:07 AM 1

100. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the point is that everyone has picture mail now. Either other companies have found a logical work around to avoid the patent, have licensed it from Samsung, or they just didnt care enough to sue over it. Again, its not a silly patent. Its not a rectangle. Its a specific programming design. Samsung, Nokia, MS, Moto, all of them have THOUSANDS of specific little bits like this. That's the bulk of their portfolios for mobile. Another difference between the 2 is that there are dozens of ways to send picture mail that are not exactly like Samsung's, so you can get around the patent easily. If Apple's way of sending picture messages is the same as samsung's than it IS patent infringement. If you can find another way to have a rectangle/square with a centered screen that gets around Apple's generic patents as shown by the chart in the other article... u let me know. Samsung's patent is specific, Apple's is extraordinarily broad.

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 8:12 AM 1

107. kanagadeepan

Posts: 1267; Member since: Jan 24, 2012

So you are trying to say that "Only apple should have Silly Patents???" They have those silly patents NOT to sue others to remove competition, but to protect themselves/counter-sue..

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 9:37 AM 1

114. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

you have also stated that you dont troll.. but was limited due to trolling. hmmmmm

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 2:38 PM 1

115. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

Oh how nice to see you again! And that's not trolling sorry buddy. He just simply said that this is the first time Samsung has brought out a patent on something what people would call "a silly patent" when in reality there's a step process behind it all.

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 5:54 PM 0

118. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

you sound just like him and yet he was limited.. so don't defend was is not defendable, besides how can you know what he said?.. you guys hung out together?..

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 7:12 PM 1

69. willard12 unregistered

Mr. Jedii, maybe you can help me. How many lawsuits were there in the cell phone industry before Apple started them? How many lawsuits have occurred between HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG? Does apple copy....while suing for copying? Was Steve Jobs a deadbeat? What has apple actually INVENTED in the mobile phone industry? Does the iPhone lack true 4G, expandable storage, and BT file transfers? If yes, why? Is the iPhone inexpensive to make while apple charges premium prices? Now, can you get over the displeasure some consumers may have with a company that intentionally withholds features from consumers, markets itself as an innovator and yet invents nothing, and tries to ban products some are anticipating? People don't like apple....deal with it.

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 10:24 PM 8

112. sithman

Posts: 299; Member since: Apr 21, 2012

People do like apple people also hate apple and android deal with that

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 10:39 AM 0

93. omar300

Posts: 210; Member since: Jun 24, 2012

you dont hear Samsung suing other companies ffor that.

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 7:27 AM 2

3. The_Godfather

Posts: 196; Member since: Apr 26, 2012

Our time is now :) come on Sammy kick that rotten Apple...!!

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 8:04 PM 21

47. MISTER.H

Posts: 167; Member since: Aug 03, 2012

I'm hoping and wishing and asking for them to win! S@msung.

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 9:27 PM 4

68. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Apple needs to learn that the route of intimidation through patent litigation is not productive. A loss to Sammy on a lawsuit Apple initiated is probably the only way they will learn the lesson. When you live in an echo chamber, you start believing your own pronouncements. We haven't seen a hunger for litigation out of Oracle since they got drubbed in the Oracle v. Google litigation. Same for Apple if it loses its lawsuit against Sammy.

posted on Aug 14, 2012, 10:21 PM 0

84. Lucas777

Posts: 2137; Member since: Jan 06, 2011

so its alright for samsung to have a patent on emailing pictures (a wide utility patent that offers nothing on the design of sending said pictures) but not for apple who created a unique interface? (notice apple doesnt have a patent on interfaces in general, just a specific design of one similar to microsoft)

posted on Aug 15, 2012, 1:25 AM 2

87. Jphones

Posts: 258; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

up lucas patenting a piece of technology not a drawing is an actual credible patent. Samsung doesn't sue everybody else for attaching pics to emails do they? Apple would patent the name lucas and sue everybody for using it.