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Samsung asks court to throw out $1.05 billion verdict, saying jury foreman was biased

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Samsung asks court to throw out $1.05 billion verdict, saying jury foreman was biased
Samsung has filed with the U.S. District Court on Thursday, requesting that the $1.05 billion verdict against it and in favor of Apple, be thrown out. The Korean manufacturer claims that the jury foreman, Velvin Hogan, was biased. According to Samsung, Hogan failed to inform the court that he had been sued by his former employer, Seagate Technology. Samsung is Seagate's largest direct shareholder and has a strategic relationship with the firm.

According to fellow juror Manuel Llagan, Hogan took over the deliberations with his first hand knowledge of patents. Llagan said that Hogan explained the process of obtaining a patent to the rest of the jury. Samsung says that the 67 year-old Hogan used incorrect legal standards as he walked the jury through the case. Hogan refused to comment on the allegations, which Samsung says can only be cured through granting Samsung's request for a new trial.

Velvin Hogan

Velvin Hogan

In an interview with Hogan conducted after the trial, the jury foreman said that the evidence was overwhelming, but also railed against companies that use others' intellectual property. As an inventor himself, this obviously was a touchy subject for him. But the court now will have to determine whether or not Hogan's actions went beyond that and were some kind of payback or revenge against Seagate via Samsung. In a post-verdict interview, Hogan said that he tried to imagine how he would defend Apple's patents as if they were his own.

Some legal experts have criticized the jury in the Apple-Samsung patent case for making the decision to ignore the testimony presented by Samsung showing that there was prior art involved with the design of the Apple iPhone. The prior art defense is commonly used by firms accused of infringing on patents.

source: WSJ

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posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:16 42

1. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

It was a sloppy and rushed trial. Neither Koh nor the jury wanted to sort through the entire evidence and ignored quite a bit of evidence that would have hurt APPLE....but this is no surprise.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:34 17

11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

All of which are valid points for the appeal brief. Koh doesn't want to re-do the trial, absent directions from the 9th circuit Court of Appeal. Nice try, Sammy, but your attorneys need to focus on their appeal brief.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:11 12

22. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)

well there is a good chance for Sammy if their legal team do their homework. as much as i hate apple, i was not happy with sammy`s legal team. ask google hows it done.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 17:00

58. Hemlocke (unregistered)

They used the same firm Google uses.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:56 21

30. jimjam (unregistered)

Of course Koh doesn't want to redo the trial - she screwed up the first one

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 19:14 3

68. imsickwithphone (banned) (Posts: 76; Member since: 17 May 2012)


posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:45 22

14. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

I knew there was something iFishy about the trial.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:49 12

17. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

Good Heavens, say it ain't so, an iMiStriAl.....?

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:49 2

19. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

There was nothing fishy.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 13:31 11

39. lyndon420 (Posts: 5019; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Yes there was...apple won.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:50

76. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

No that's called justice.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 11:49 3

16. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

I find the judgment to be fair. As I said before, if Samsung had just been more original in their designs instead of copying Apple then they wouldn't have been sued.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:06 14

20. mahony (Posts: 15; Member since: 04 Apr 2012)

Then what happens to Apple when they copy other companies? Have you not seen they way they copy Android and SONY phone designs?

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 17:01

59. Hemlocke (unregistered)

Say what? Care to elaborate, since no Android phones precede the iPhone, nor do any Sony capacitive smartphones?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 20:07

77. becton (Posts: 1; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)

Sony capacitive phones did precede the iphone....the p900 (the phone the iphone design was stolen from) was released in 2003.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:06 1

21. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Four people don't believe in fair justice.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:18 17

24. tedkord (Posts: 14206; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Nope, just one. You.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 16:10 3

50. metalpoet (unregistered)

Mxyzptlk, quit acting as if everything that everyone else does is wrong and apple is right. You think that people dont notice you on Phonearena hating everything that isnt apple, you have a massive biased torwards them and its plain to see. at least mask it somehow and give credit where its due. Sumsung is not the greatest company ever but they do make great cellphones!

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 16:15 1

52. ronjr123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)

And TVs.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 12:27 7

28. BuckeyeCadet86 (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

Whether you find it fair or not isn't the issue, the issue is about a juror who should not have been on the jury with a clear conflict of interest. This is more than enough to provide a mistrial, if Judge Koh doesn't then an appeals court will. Apple should have known this and requested to have him removed themselves, especially since they were convinced they were going to win.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 17:37

62. Hemlocke (unregistered)

Samsung had the same opportunities to have him removed.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 13:08 9

35. willard12 (unregistered)

So you don't think the f700 was an original design? In none of your comments do you acknowledge the other side. When apple copies...even to the point of pursuing the employees from Google, you think it's OK. Then you keep saying Samsung copied, even the the f700 that judge Koh blocked from trial, was released at the same time. I understand you are an Apple fan....but you can't comment on how much you hate copying while at the same time supporting the "great artists steal" company.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 17:05

60. Hemlocke (unregistered)

The F700 is a feature phone with a slide-out QWERTY keyboard and a resistive screen. Those things alone would be enough to render the F700 moot, but the fact that it came out AFTER the iPhone renders it an ignorant submission as evidence.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 21:56

70. willard12 (unregistered)

Apple didn't sue over feature phones, touch screens or keyboards. They sued over design...black square with rounded corners and a button centered. Therefore, your points are moot. That is exactly why Apple filed a motion to have the f700 suppressed. So Apple lawyers disagree with you. That is why all of Apple's photos of Samsung phones conveniently leave out the f700. It was released 1 month after iPhone. You would have to argue that Samsung copied iPhone, mass produced, and shipped the f700 in 4 weeks. Resistive touch, keyboard, etc have nothing to do with design, scroll bounce, ...so what's your point? Call the lawyers at Apple and maybe they will explain why they filed a motion to prevent the jury from seeing it and objected to any witness that would mention it and then get back to us. By the way, the point is not that Apple copied Samsung its that Samsung didn't copy Apple. We all know Apple copied the LG Prada.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 13:20 3

36. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

^reminds me of an old cranky scrooge that aint never satisfied

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 13:47 3

40. verty (Posts: 125; Member since: 07 May 2012)

Think before you open your mouth. Even steve said he stole from other people......... Now I have not admitted that Sammy stole anything from apple I just qouted Jobs. Sammy is a highly innovative company from which apple has drifted. Thumbs up Sammy the galaxy note is just too good a phone. I am so so ready to pick up the note 2. Lets see apple match it.........hehehehehehehe

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 18:50

66. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

Apple will match it once they are free from being too busy fixing the most innovative things ever released in iOS666 ...

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 14:07 6

42. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

So, when Apple "borrows" things from other companies it's ok, but when Samsung "copies" it's not? Look, there's no doubt that Samsung copied with the original Galaxy S. Anyone who debates against that without viable reasoning is insane. But really, what has Samsung done in terms of copying that Apple hasn't? Nothing. They are both at fault.

My question is; how come when Samsung does something to copy, the hammer gets thrown down on them immediately, but when Apple copies, everybody kind of puts it aside and forgets about it? That's hypocritical. Apple isn't some omnipotent being that can be pardoned for anything. They have to pay the price too. And if you can justify Samsung's 1 billion dollar penalty for copying Apple, then you should also be content with the fact that Apple should be punished as well.

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 14:30 1

45. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 309; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)

Is simple American companies get their products ripped off in Asia specially China and nothing happen is insane, now how could a South Korean expect the same fair treatment when is well know they've been copying for decades with nobody pay a penny I give an example Microsoft Products......!!!

posted on 04 Oct 2012, 16:40 1

53. redsox420 (Posts: 90; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

Big Fruity is an "American?" company, Sammy not. Big Fruity has $400-$500 BILLION in cash.. So thats a lot of weight to throw around. And besides Big Fruity wants to be a monopoly here, where they have failed worldwide to do that, so their focus is America and the uneducated sheep who gobble down their toxic junk.

Samsung gets a raw deal in patents here because the probably won't "grease the skids" at the Patent office if you catch my drift.. and Sammy got a raw deal from this Foreskin posing as a foreman of the jury. His comments right after were a mistake, saying Sammy was guilty from the moment they started deliberating. You should start with is Samsung, or anyone(thing) NOT guilty and then chip away or bolster that. You can't start with Guilty than go from there..

If Big Fruitys "victory" stands, then the company who first made a flat screen 42" tv, basically a rectangle with rounded corners should get a trillion dollars off the design.. Thats the reasoning that should have been applied in this case. Who the phuckkk thinks Big Fruity actually invented a box with rounded corners first needs to have their head examined!

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