Samsung and Motorola defeat Apple touch patent in Germany

Samsung and Motorola defeat Apple touch patent in Germany
Samsung and Motorola haven’t exactly been beneficiaries of good news on the patent lawsuit front lately, so it must come as a relief that a German court ruled in their favor against Apple today. Apple was asserting a very broad patent on touchscreen input that would have been crippling to competing touchscreen devices if it had been enforced; technically Apple has sued each company separately, but given that both companies made similar defenses against the same patent the court decided to rule on them at the same time.

The Apple patent in question, EP2098948, covers a "touch event model” for interpreting user input. The patent is much broader than the pinch-to-zoom patent that Apple has been asserting in the U.S., and that appears to have been its downfall. The German Court refused to apply the patent as broadly as Apple claimed it should extend, and so based on differences in how touch input is calculated in iOS and Android ruled that neither Samsung nor Motorola infringed.

This same patent has also lost in the UK and the Netherlands, so Apple may need to retire this one as they continue on their nuclear warpath against Android. That said, Apple is equipped with lots of patents and a never-ending supply of cash, so if you’re looking for an end to the ongoing mobile patent wars your best bet is holding out hope that Larry Page and Tim Cook manage to hammer out an agreement of some sort.

source: FOSS Patents



1. abdane

Posts: 507; Member since: Oct 07, 2011

Samsung and Google ( Motorola ) can defeat apple easily ;)

11. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Unacceptable outcome.

18. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

why? Please, be intelligent here.

21. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

I don't think that patent can get any broader. Touch event model? Seriously?

28. tedkord

Posts: 17320; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Apparently, a tap isn't really a zero length swipe... Seriously, this is fantastic news. These over broad, silly Apple patents need to be obliterated.

30. Sackboy117

Posts: 178; Member since: Oct 17, 2011

Unacceptable in the United States u mean.

31. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Apple is the biggest patent troll globally known.

40. Vinayakn73

Posts: 207; Member since: Oct 05, 2011

yeh and still some sites try to support apples. you know what iMean

35. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

^take a good look people because this is really the mindset of some ifans and the apple corporation as well.......if they do not win, someone has to pay.......(not physically) in response to post #11

38. Danre

Posts: 85; Member since: Sep 02, 2012

@. Mxyzptlk I think you said you don't like(hate) infringes. So, what now. You don,t accept it. Haha.... funny. I think - this condition is not applied with Apple.

41. Android1

Posts: 59; Member since: Jul 16, 2012

Accept the fact buddy :)

23. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

Good news, everyone!

34. JC557

Posts: 1919; Member since: Dec 07, 2011

Andy the Android: Apple can bite my shiny metal a$$!

2. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

Good news. :)

4. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

haahaha Great news :)

16. MAXXtreme

Posts: 7; Member since: Sep 29, 2011

Love all your comments man! Haha

3. DechyX

Posts: 156; Member since: May 16, 2011

I wish Apple would go sit the f- down, how can a company with so much power and influence be so insecure

7. Carlitos

Posts: 665; Member since: Oct 23, 2011

Its just apple is being lazy. Look at smaller companies like HTC, Motorola (Google) and Samsung do, always trying to bring out the best. I remember when Apple used to be the one setting the standards and raising the bars, but unfortunaly now that the master mind is gone (RIP) Apple is just being a d**k

26. jacko1977

Posts: 428; Member since: Feb 11, 2012

master mind really he was a good sales man that is all and a thief

5. hunted

Posts: 403; Member since: Sep 21, 2011

Way to go :)

6. InspectorGadget80 unregistered


8. Slammer

Posts: 1515; Member since: Jun 03, 2010

Proof that the patent system is in chaos. A patent is a patent. Topography shouldn't be an excuse for inconsistant laws regarding patents. If someone or company patents something here in the states, it should be considered world wide or Visa Versa. This meaning that the patent is sustained to the rightful owner. It boggles the mind that one country says it doesn't infringe while others say it does. It's insane that different countries do and don't recognize patents of respective IPs. John B.

19. rusticguy

Posts: 2828; Member since: Aug 11, 2012

Actually no. Every country is free to have their own rules and regulations. if it has to be made universal then the IP stuff has to go through something like WTO and there should be a provision to Challenge the application before granting patent rather than wasting time on prior art later as it is happening in this case. Otherwise Ricehill Inc was granted patent/trademark on TEXAMATI rice only to ensure killing of Basmati. Uncle Sam is upto dirty tricks many times so wy should every country be forced into accepting those Dirty games/tricks :) Many countries patens can be annulled in public interest.

24. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

That would be a very difficult system to implement without a lot of funding and computer programming, because patents would have to be submitted to an grand authority that would determine whether or not WORLDWIDE the patent is valid. That would take years or decades, without a good system in place, and even then it would take a while

9. antmiu2

Posts: 550; Member since: Jun 19, 2011

awwwwwwwwwwwww yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

10. Mxyzptlk unregistered

So Germany will allow companies infringe on others patents?

12. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

aaaaa......noooo... smh

20. rusticguy

Posts: 2828; Member since: Aug 11, 2012

Germany would allow fair play :)

32. willard12 unregistered

Hopefully Germany doesn't allow companies to infringe on LTE patents.

36. Savage unregistered

Every country is throwing out Apple's pathetic cases! Except USA. What do you think, US is the most sensible of them all? Other countries are completely stupid not to support Apple? Which world do you live in?

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