Samsung Galaxy Note 4 manufacturing defect might cause as much of an outcry as the #Bendgate debacle
posted by Chris P. / Sep 29, 2014, 8:39 AM
including arch-rival Samsung. As it turns out, however, certain units of the company's highly-anticipated Galaxy Note 4 might have their very own manufacturing shortcomings, as observed by some of the first Note 4 buyers in South Korea, where the phablet is now available. According to at least two images of the Note 4, there's a very visible gap between the Note 4's display and frame -- wide enough to fit two A4 sheets or a business card, reportedly. At this point the number of affected units remains unknown, so we're not sure if this is going to be a widespread defect, so we'll keep our ear to the ground. Also unknown is whether previous reports of Samsung cutting time to market in order to compete directly with Apple's new iPhones could have anything to do with this.As can be expected, Apple's competitors were also pretty quick to to chime in,
In conclusion, and if this proves to be an actual, widespread problem with the Note 4, the moral of the story would be one: defects do happen, and nobody is immune to them.
- Display 5.7" 1440 x 2560 pixels
- Camera 16 MP / 3.7 MP front
- Processor Samsung Exynos 7 Octa, Octa-core, 1900 MHz
- Storage 32 GB + microSDXC
- Battery 3220 mAh(20h 3G talk time)
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The moral of the story would be: We'll try to cover Apple's faults with whatever is out there, so we don't feel bad for our faulty iDevices.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 8:42 AM 82
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Exactly my thoughts.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 8:47 AM 35
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No, Apple wins even in the gap game. s-gap vs i-gap igap has bigger space to carry things such as a coupon book. :) http://underkg.co.kr/files/att
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 1:50 PM 1
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lol these are some faulty note 4s but the bending case with the iphone that is actually a constraction fail of the engineers.. thats 2 different things.. the iphone has some weak points if u press there then everyone can bend it easily -.-
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 2:57 PM 3
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As much as I hate to say it, pa would have never said the moral of the story part at the end if the iphone6,6+ didn't have such an issue
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 8:49 AM 8
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That's very true. Because then that wouldn't have been a topic of frenzied discussion at all, and inserting that there wouldn't have made as much sense. The point is pretty simple here: manufacturing defects obviously occur (we're yet to see if that's the case wtih the Note 4) and nobody, not even the world's two largest manufacturers, seem to be infallible in this regard. Can't help but think of Toyota and the Prius.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 8:56 AM 9
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The note 4 probabaly manufacturing defect, but iphone 6&6+ is design issue,something gotta do with its thickness, they design the aluminum body very thin in order to accomodate the parts in a very thin sizebody,this would not have been an issue if they stick with iphone 5 design direction,because that metal trim on ip5 serves as structural support. Same as the note4, gap?possible but bend, no.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 9:25 AM 20
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Manufacturing defect might occur to any device. In fact some of the manufacturers have pretty bad quality control. I believe Apple has very good quality control. But the problem that Apple is facing now is not manufacturing defect. It is design fault. These are difficult to find like manufacturing defects in quality control. The biggest deference between manufacturing defect and design fault is, manufacturing defects are isolated to some units like the above. Design fault can affect almost every device like Antennagate. Looks like the bending issue of apple is a design fault. So, if you put enough pressure on the any of the iPhone 6 Plus, it could bend.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 12:04 PM 5
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Chris, what does a manufacturing defect have to do with a design defect? The two are not the same. I'm not saying the not is a perfect device, as I have no clue. But a small gap, that is easily corrected FWIW, isn't a big of a deal. This to me seems like someone is trying to make up for a certain MFG's design shortcomings with false outrage about a piece of glass that can be cut just a tiny bit larger next time. I highly doubt Samsung would not take this device on warranty. No, it shouldn't have made it through QC, but this is a very fixable problem. Changing designs or materials this late in the game is not. I'm not a samsung fanboy, but this is nitpicking about something that any crappy engineer could fix. Unless there is an extra 1 mm or so in the chassis of the iPhone I don't know about that can be used to reinforce the body, then that isn't a fixable problem. Not without making the phone bigger around the bezel or using a different material. So please rephrase the article.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 12:18 PM 3
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You're right. They're not the same thing. Nor are they as completely different as the crowd seems to think. Again, if this is an isolated incident, then we'll know about it soon, and then we'll simply go back to whatever is on our plate. And if it's not, then we'll revisit this story. That said, nowhere are we saying that the two are the same. Nor is there "outrage", let alone "false". But you can't deny that, at their core, they're very similar, and this is specifically valid (and relevant) since Samsung chose to make a jab for its own gain only to be found to be seemingly lacking itself (again, making it perfectly clear that this could be an isolated problem, we'll know more soon). Besides, I don't see why it would be so impossible for Apple to actually do something about it, especially now that the world's attention is fixed on the issue -- you don't really believe they've manufactured the tens of millions iPhone 6 Plus units that they'll end up selling, right? What's more, and this is tangential to the topic at hand -- I've seen various people trying to bend the iPhone 6 Plus probably over a dozen times already, and it ain't that easy unless you apply specific force towards the volume rocker. As Consumer Report's slightly misleading (in my opinion) findings show, bending the 6 Plus in what I'd say is a far more likely, real-world scenario is far, far harder. Oh, and since fans from both camps are getting a little rowdy, full disclosure: the last phone from Apple I've owned is the 3G. And that was a while ago. As for Samsung, that would have to be the SGH-D900i. And that, too, was a while ago. So I don't really hold any personal stake in this (nor do I understand why a lot of people feel like they do). But this is the news, and as somebody else pointed out, selectively turning a deaf ear could have as easily be construed as being one-sided and favoring this or that company. Thanks for your feedback anyway. I do read it.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 2:39 PM 6
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"Besides, I don't see why it would be so impossible for Apple to actually do something about it, especially now that the world's attention is fixed on the issue -- you don't really believe they've manufactured the tens of millions iPhone 6 Plus units that they'll end up selling, right?" Two comments: 1. Do you doubt that Apple has manufactured a bunch of +-sized phones? If they made a statement that was false to investors, they would have waaay more problems than they have now. 2. Making a production change is not a trivial undertaking. They would have to put some kind of reinforcement in place, and that could require re-design of the parts (circuit board, battery, whatever) that are in close proximity to the reinforcement. Even in the +-edition, space is at a premium. There is a reason why the lens protrudes out of the chassis. Net-net, my Magic 8-Ball says Apple doesn't do anything until the S versions are produced next year.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 2:55 PM 3
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Nobody likes to hear about design flaws or manufacturing mishaps with their beloved devices. Each of us have a vested amount in our phones and most of us here, at least the mature adults, can take a jab from other users without getting butthurt. With that being said, maybe we should get Michael Strahan interviewed to sort out this gap issue. ;)
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 2:57 PM 1
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"nor do I understand why a lot of people feel like they do)" One could argue that the WP crowd has, seeing as how the failure of major devices from either OS equates to potentially more sold windows phones, again equating more focus on developing WP apps and thus nurturing the OS for the good of all it's users...
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 4:25 PM 0
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"I've seen various people trying to bend the iPhone 6 Plus probably over a dozen times already, and it ain't that easy unless you apply specific force towards the volume rocker" And can you guarantee that when it's in your jeans pockets, the force when you sit will not be applied to that weak point. Of course you can't, and that's why every Iphone 6+ is a faulty device.
posted on Sep 30, 2014, 4:12 AM 0
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The purpose of this maneuver is to distract people from what is happening with the iPhone 6 Plus. What this gap can do? The "bendgate" is much more problematic.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 9:10 AM 6
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Absolutely not. I want all sites holding Samsung's feet to the fire if this is true. I'm planning on getting a Note 4 and it had better not have any gaps. If it does, Samsung had better either fix, replace or refund. That's the difference between me and a rabid Apple fan - I don't deny or give free passes based on manufacturer or brand.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 9:22 AM 9
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I'm fairly certain that the kind of people who follow these tech sites would get a bent iPhone 6 Plus replaces almost immediately, regardless of fanboy-ism. I don't think people are denying it, just trying to throw blankets over the unnecessary forest fires that have been created. That being said, I think the real problems for Pluses (and 6s) are going to surface 5-6 months from now, because the general public really doesn't care for their $700-$1000 devices the way they should. Oh well.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 9:35 AM 1
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I'm sure anyone would get a replacement if the phone bent. But there are people on this site who would get the replacement, and never admit they had a bent phone, and continue to claim it was all made up. It still happens for the iPhone 4 antenna debacle, deniers still deny there was every any issue, it was all blown up out of proportion and was the same for all phones.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 11:01 AM 3
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Or a rabid Samsung fan. And in response to alias, yeah, it'll be interesting a few months down the road, especially when (if?) wear-and-tear begins to show on the lower-left quadrant of the camera ring due to its protrusion.
posted on Sep 29, 2014, 9:35 AM 1
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