Qualcomm roadmap shows 2.5 GHz quad-core chips due next year

Qualcomm roadmap shows 2.5 GHz quad-core chips due next year
Faster is always better, and Qualcomm wants to be the manufacturer of the fastest mobile CPUs around. We already knew that quad-core processors were on the way: NVIDIA plans quad-core Tegra tablets by the end of this year, and phones next year; TI plans the same with OMAP5; and we saw a demo of Qualcomm's quad-core Snapdragon S4 earlier today. In July, we saw a leaked version of this same Qualcomm roadmap which had the S4 chips due out in the first quarter of 2013, but Qualcomm's official announcement has that time table pushed up significantly to next year. 

Qualcomm has been slow to roll out all of this information. First, at the beginning of August, the company announced the renaming of its Snapdragon series, and gave a few details to the specs that would be associated with the S1, S2, S3, and S4 chips. Then, they gave out a bit more information on the makeup of the S4 chips and its high-end gaming future. Now, we're finally seeing the whole picture. As you can see, the S1 is for mass market smartphones and be single-core CPUs up to 1 GHz and an Adreno 200 GPU. The S2 is for higher end devices with CPUs up to 1.4 GHz, the Adreno 205 GPU, and support for HSPA+, and 720p video. The S3 is for multitasking and advanced gaming with dual-core CPUs up to 1.5 GHz, and the Adreno 220 GPU. And, the big monster S4 is for "next-gen" devices, which includes smartphones, tablets, HDTVs, and Windows 8 PCs, includes single/dual/quad-core CPUs up to 2.5 GHz, dual/quad-core Adreno GPUs, and the ability to create diamonds out of thin air.* 

So, obviously, based on this roadmap the S4 is encompassing a much wider range of future chips than are included in any of the other classifications, but the S4 is also by far the most exciting of the bunch. And, if Qualcomm really can hit its mark and get the S4 to manufacturers by the end of this year for release next year, that would be a huge jump and put the Snapdragon out in time to compete with the other big guns (except Samsung, which has yet to announce quad-core Exynos plans.)

source: Pocket-lint
*Diamonds not guaranteed.



1. joaolx

Posts: 364; Member since: Aug 16, 2011


12. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

I wonder how competition and innovation in the CPU segment would be impacted if one of the competitors were merged into another? There are analogies to the AT&T-Mobile combination, folks.

2. dns unregistered

is S4 based on Cortex A15 ?

5. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

no, Qualcomm doesnt use Cortex base designs the way Nvidia, Ti, and Samsung does. They have "similar" aspects but they are not the same. Their chip design is called "Krait", which they say is supposed to be as strong or stronger than the current xbox360 in gaming performance when clocked up. Time will tell though. The 2nd Gen Nvidia Kal-El chips named Wayne and Grey(son) :) (i think they like superhero identity names.. lol) are supposed to be based off of the A15 design. The Kal- El is still A9 based. http://www.android-tablet-comparison-world.com/navpage/android-chipset-comparison.php http://www.inspiredgeek.com/2011/09/13/new-nvidia-roadmap-tegra3-kal-el-with-5x-perofrmance-bump-in-2011-wayne-with-10x-in-2013/

4. som

Posts: 768; Member since: Nov 10, 2009

Cortex A15 is Samsung and Texas Inst. processor.

6. DirtyDan

Posts: 13; Member since: Jun 13, 2011

Is this really necessary?

7. nyamo

Posts: 274; Member since: Mar 19, 2011

probably not, but people tend to think faster is better. personally i'm just hoping that with more cores comes better power conservation. time will tell

8. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

yes. just because u cant invision a use for this type of power doesnt mean one doesnt exist.. or will exist. In order to create, you must first have the proper tools.. a chipset is the tool.

9. Joshing4fun

Posts: 1245; Member since: Aug 13, 2010

Dual core phones haven't even been optimized yet. Heck, my 1ghz phone still runs flawlessly with zero lag.

20. MichaelHeller

Posts: 2734; Member since: May 26, 2011

As remixfa always likes to remind people: dual-core optimization is coming with ICS next month (or next year if you have to wait for the update from your manufacturer)

22. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

aww, thanks Michael :)

27. Joshing4fun

Posts: 1245; Member since: Aug 13, 2010

If it's gonna take that long for dual-core phones to be optimized then just imagine how long it'd take for quad-core... Also i love how phonearena staff (actually, just you) also make comments.

10. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

I have been telling people this for a while, Qualcomm makes great chip sets. Their S4 will be based on the 28 nm technology & will be clocked at an astounding 2.5 GHz for both dual & quad-cores. That is amazing. I can't wait until those S4 phones start to come out in 2012. I really hope the new HTC Evo comes with that massive S4 chip! The Krait S4 is going to be killer!

11. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the s2 and s3 sucked compared to the competition. Hopefully they learned their lesson and this time next year we will be crowning a new king. I love a good stiff competition. Dont expect the 2.5ghz to come out anytime soon. thats its max clock speed, so we probably wont see that till near its EoL, much like we are just now starting to see 1.5ghz S3 chipsets, which is the max that they will be clocked out of the box.

14. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

You are 100% right, the S2 & S3 are the weakest out of a close bunch. The average user won’t be able to tell the difference between an S3, Tegra 2, OMAP or Exynos. We can because we are VERY picky but they all work very admirably. The Krait chip set won't be based on the old tech they have been using so I feel confident that the S4 will be the an excellent chip. Hey we should have the 2.5 GHz, 28 nm, quad-core S4 chips this time next year so that isn’t so bad! That is a true PC in the palm of your hand! The people at Qualcomm are very talented. It's impressive that their S2 & S3 chips with their old tech can still hang, & are not obsolete!

15. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

lol, i completely agree about the True PC in your palm part, but imma have to disagree on the obsolete part. Maybe its just me, but to me whatever is in last place in horsepower is obsolete. :) Ive actually had quite a few people come back and complain of choppyness and slow down on their S3 equipped Sensations. I dont know if Sense 3.0 is just that much of a hog, but if your running a dual core, choppiness should be a distant memory. Someone here said they had CM7 equipped on their sensation.. was that you? I'm assuming its a Sense thing (normally bad codes will slow down the even the most powerful archetecture), but I'd like to see one stock and one with sense to really get a feel for the difference.

18. ngo2dd

Posts: 896; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

The S2 is as faster or faster the the hummingbird. But the hummingbird has a better GPU. If you look at smart-bench or antutu, then you will see the CPU are the similar.

23. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

imma try not to shoot milk out my nose laughing, ngo. When you break down the individual benchmarks into their elements, the only thing that the snapdragon has is its I/O score, which is nearly useless at this point. Its super inflated. A snapdragon gets something like 15-30mflops in I/O where a hummingbird gets like 6-10. The hummingbird nails it in every other category though, which is why it gets a higher over all score. If scores had a multiplier to emphasis or de-emphasis certain scores (by what is actually important) the difference between the two would be greater. Also, you have to ignore me sometimes, as i am a chip snob.. lol.

26. s unregistered

When it's said that a 1 Ghz dual core Krait will beat a quad core 1 Ghz Cortex A9 design, I think they have a design win.

29. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the Krait is quadcore only i beleive. And i sincerely hope that Qualcomm pulled their head out of their butts and went for the championship. I have no allegance to any company. I just go for whats the most powerful. If Krait knocks my socks off, I'll be buying that one next. Whatever is the most powerful. For the last 2 designs, its been Samsung by far. Neither Kal El or Krait are ready for prime time yet, so whatever performance they have now isnt always what they will have when it launches. The Exynos chip performed horribly in beta and turned on the turbos for its launch. Drivers make a world of difference.

35. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Damn remixfa that is hardcore. The S3 chips are the weakest but it doesn't mean they are obsolete. Those chips can do 4G LTE, HSPA+ better than the other chips so they do have their advantages over the competition. To go as far & say that they are obsolete is very hardcore. I know you are a chips snob, but the S2/S3 are not obsolete. If they were HTC, Samsung & countless others would not be using them. Trust me the HTC Sense is a huge hog. It's a graphically intense UI. Stock Android & CM7 are not like the HTC Sense. My HTC Evo 3D is way faster without HTC Sense than with.

36. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

if it were up to samsung, they wouldnt be using them. That was a Tmobile decision to want the faster 42mb/s speed, and as of right now the radio on the exynos cant do that. A minor flaw in a nearly flawless chip. :) SAE, its hard for me to swallow the OMAP processor in the Nexus Prime even though its concidered the #2 chip. Thats just the way I roll. We all want what we want. I tend to research things to a compulsive level and when i get focused on something its hard for me to go to something else. Ive been holding out for this long for an Exynos powered superphone. Ive never had a phone as long as I have now, which is my SGS1 that i got when it launched in july of 2010. Sad, yes, but thats one of the benefits of being in the industry. At least its an exellent phone. Oddly enough, my education is in medicine and not electronics. lol

37. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

I totally respect your opinions, I am finally getting versed in the wonders of the processors & I truly get what you are saying. I know the Exynos is the best, I am getting the Samsung Epic 4G Touch for my wife & I WILL root the beast to see it's true potential. I have to say my HTC Evo 3D rooted with CM7 alpha is no slouch, the S3 packs some punch not like an Exynos would on CM7 but at least is VERY competent! The S3 is not as bad as you make it.

39. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

if ur wife doesnt like it, u could always donate it to me :) :)

40. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

and yes.. root the bastard and have a good time with it. samsung encourages it (remember they gave the cyanogenmod free SGS2's so they would make a great rom for it)

42. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

I know, I am salivating like a dog who is waiting for a slice of bologna. I just want to see for myself the real deal Samsung Galaxy S II's Exynos 1.2 GHz dual-core rooted & overclocked @ almost 2.0 GHz on CM7 flexing the most powerful muscles in this very Earth we live in. I just want to say I have seen it, used it, & have it! (Wow I got very dramatic!) lol

43. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

lolol. now your starting to sound like me.. good luck with the OCD over clocking madness :)

13. wassup

Posts: 565; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

*patiently waits for samsung to announce their chip, because it's better*

16. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

samsung is normally last to the party because they like to make an entrance.. and your right, its because its almost always better.

17. bucky

Posts: 3790; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

this is getting rediculous now. android started well by introducing a few rules to its OS (ICS) but the faster things move the more of a detterent it will be for devs to make apps. I can understand now, why the iphone has such amazing apps and dev following. there are 20 different screen types, 50 different processors and gpu's and 6 different sizes of screens to dev for in android. I love my sgs2 but im curious what the new iphone 5 will have to offer for these reasons.

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