Palm Pre vs iPhone X: Qualcomm wants iPhones banned for misusing Palm OS interface patents


In a tit-for-tat move, Qualcomm responded to Apple's patent counterclaim last week by adding Palm into the mix. So far, it has accused Apple of infringing on connectivity, power efficiency, and 3D imagery patents on the iPhone 7 to iPhone X models, but it just piled on a few interface ones for a good measure.

What's Palm got to do with it, you ask? Its webOS now largely lives in smart TVs, as LG bought the rights to use it a while ago, albeit not the patents, and as a result its TV interface is one of the most user-friendly among big TV makers (we know, that doesn't say much, they are all terrible). Qualcomm, however, bought a few Palm OS interface-related patents back in 2014 as a bundle from HP, and is now saying that Apple is taking unfair advantage of similar actions on its iPhones without paying the proper licensing fees.

"All of these Palm inventions - owned by Qualcomm - have vastly improved the functionality of mobile devices and the user experience, and all of them are widely found in Apple products without license or permission," as per the chip maker's filing. It's not exactly clear which Palm patents is Qualcomm talking about, or which ones it has acquired, but if the Palm Pre gesture-based interface from back in 2010 was part of the package it got from HP, Apple may soon find itself in a pickle about the navigation ideas on the iPhone X, as you can clearly see in the video above.

source: ITPro

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59 Comments

1. Peacetoall unregistered

blackberry incorporated swipe up to home gesture in their blackberry os 10 so now they can can sue apple too

18. GreenMan

Posts: 2669; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

Blackberry (or what's left of it) can't sue Apple because... Blackberry too copied Palm OS's gestures with The BBX. But since Qualcomm didn't have an ongoing 'feud' with Blackberry at the time, they got away with it! Why I've this strange feeling that I'm going to get a TON of heat for this? Ah yes, because I've summoned the trolls, haven't I? But my dear trolls, before mowing down this silly old coot with verbal abuses and the like; remember this: Blackberry ALSO copied the basic aesthetic of iPhone (All screen, button-less UI, no PKB) with The Z10, the first phone to ever run The BBX. So keep that in mind too! G'Day!

30. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2209; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I’m pretty sure Qualcomm could’ve brought a suit against Blackberry when they ended up having to pay the $800 million that they found Qualcomm owed Blackberry for overcharging. I am going to make a prediction that actually what is going to happen is Apple will either lease or buy patents from Blackberry on their QNX to help counter these new claims. At the end of the day, Blackberry wants the money. So if someone needs their patents I’m pretty sure they’ll let them use it...for the right price that is.

48. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

you have to admit the palm pre was the best ui on any phone i miss it so much if they remade it and used a slide out touch keypad that would be my phone

53. Nine1Sickness

Posts: 886; Member since: Jan 30, 2011

At least Apple was smart enough to trademark the Notch.

3. Peacetoall unregistered

palm os and symbian os really need to make a comeback they were so ahead of their time

29. Nathan_ingx

Posts: 4764; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

They got stuck...didn't move on...now they're behind (what's left of it)

33. Phenom

Posts: 17; Member since: Aug 16, 2017

Symbian? Ahead of time? lol.

5. redmd

Posts: 1871; Member since: Oct 26, 2011

I missed those days when phones can be used with one hand effortlessly.

8. Peacetoall unregistered

seriously this I really missed my Nokia 6300, N86, E72, N97 mimi , N8, N900, Blackberry bold 3, bold 4, bold 5, Z10. and samsung wave 3 which ran bada os it was so cool.

27. pt020

Posts: 137; Member since: Apr 08, 2014

That's why I moved back from the Sony XZ to the smaller XZ1 Compact.

46. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

Triple tapping my Note 8's home button (or swiping diagonally from the bottom left/right corner of the screen) you activate 1-handed mode ain't hard for that once in a while I have a hard time reaching parts of certain apps. Then it stays that way through out the usage session until I pay I power off the screen...but then again, I have big hands.

49. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

you must have the longest human thumb then. i can tap home with the top corner of my thumb while holding phone securely

57. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

Maybe it should be a contestant for the Guinness Book of Records...thumb is merely 3" and I can easily do the same on my Note 8.

6. Peacetoall unregistered

god watching palm pre in that video really brings back the nostalgia feeling where every manufacturers were trying to be different by building their own Operating system and smartphone design. it was so cool back then. nowadays its just plain glass slab design with every manufacturers chosing android as their main operating system.

15. mrochester

Posts: 926; Member since: Aug 17, 2014

Google has completely killed that competitive market.

42. Nopers unregistered

Except theres no possible scenario in which that could ever be sustained for more than a couple of years. Developers don't want to build 5 forks of their app so they'd choose the most popular platforms, Microsoft learned that the hard way.

50. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

no just one to work on a phone and palm to make google store to download i still have my touchpad, but with a android rom.

51. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

microsoft was just late real late, like the teen that shows up to a party after the cops shut it down

10. swarai

Posts: 79; Member since: Aug 07, 2014

Oh wow, I had no idea that Palm OS was the originator of all those swipe motions. Lmao, Iphone X took them all without a second thought. Because of that, another day another lawsuit. Business as usual

40. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3040; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

It was webOS, not PalmOS. It's what happens when bloggers try to pass themselves off as journalists. Anyway, webOS also brought the first wireless charging, contact integration and all those wonderful swipe gestures we take for granted. Let this be a lesson to all the iSheep that the Palm Pre really was an iPhone killer at the time and had it not been for shi*ty hardware, history may have been altered. Even Phone Arena gave the OG Pre a 9.9 (look it up).

55. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

dont forget they launched on sprint.

54. audibot

Posts: 570; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

when i watched the keynote first thought was holy crap its the palm pre just taller.

11. darkkjedii

Posts: 30510; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

This one should be quite interesting.

14. Jrod99

Posts: 673; Member since: Jan 15, 2016

Maybe this to teach Apple how silly some of these law suits and patents can be. Glad the first automobile didn’t have patent on wheel being round. Good grief.

32. palmguy

Posts: 950; Member since: Mar 22, 2011

Oh how I miss webOS. :-(

35. fyah_king unregistered

Damn, palm was way ahead of Apple.lol

36. CreeDiddy

Posts: 2030; Member since: Nov 04, 2011

Apple can buyout Android if Android was a company.

37. tokuzumi

Posts: 1733; Member since: Aug 27, 2009

This will drag out in the courts for 5 years, and nothing will happen.

44. geolemon

Posts: 10; Member since: Jun 09, 2016

Apple is unfortunately the Donald Trump of technology. Every sin they make is excused and accepted by the public, even at the expense of America itself... Besides stifling innovation and promoting proprietary standards and monopolistic ecosystems (and no, the same is not true of other platforms), there are interesting economic studies on their un-invested cash hoard stifling our economy more than offsetting what both stimulus checks were distributed to help stimulate during the recession... and the whole Irish bank tax HQ scandal of course harming the US with such a large company dodging paying their share... And that's not even talking about the sins of selling a cheap product that looks good on the outside for premium dollars, or the suicide nets around their Chinese factories when they could afford to buy entire cities with cash (much less build a few factories, as Tesla is doing with far less cash). ... and now we have the GOP further enabling corporate tax dodging to put the burden of funding the government entirely on penalizing blue collar America. This is more of exactly what gives me the creeps every time I so much as walk past an Apple store. You won't catch me inside one.

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