Judge concerned that Apple wants to use Motorola offer for FRAND patent fee as a negotiating tool
posted by Alan F. / Nov 03, 2012, 3:52 AM
Judge Judy to learn that. A similar statement was made in the Microsoft-Motorola Mobility FRAND case which is going to trial on November 13th. In that case, Judge James Robart told both sides to stop using the court "as a pawn in a global, industry-wide business negotiation". The difference between the two cases is that Microsoft subsequently agreed to accept whatever rate the court decides, a decision that scares the heck out of Apple. Motorola Mobility pointed out Microsoft's behavior to Judge Crabb and asked why Apple couldn't be so agreeable.
Judge Crabb is now considering whether or not to allow a trial on Apple's other claims. If Apple wins on these other claims, it might be able to prevent Motorola Mobility from enforcing its standards-essential claims against it. Both sides have until noon on Sunday to respond to the order (don't forget the end of daylight savings time on Sunday morning, guys!) and both sides need to be ready for the possibility that the trial will start at 1pm Monday. On the other hand, Apple has apparently ticked off Judge Crabb enough that she might call off the trial. For once, Apple's arrogance in a courtroom, which Judge Koh and the jury in the Samsung case seemed to turn a blind eye to, might have worked against it.
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apple is stupid.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 4:05 AM 38
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Rule #1 in litigating - DON'T piss off the judge.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 5:37 AM 29
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I wish apple paid attention to the sentement of many tech fans. If they did they might realise their actions are causing peoples attitudes about them to change . Once a company that was cool, hip, and innovative has now become a power hungry, money hungry, whining bully. They dont seem to realize or care, the shift away from apple has alread started, more and more people are getting sick of them each day. This is only hurting them, as attitudes change, people will stop buying their products , hurting their profits. Maybe then they will care.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 1:11 PM 10
How's apple stupid because of Motorola wanting to abuse FRAND patents?
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 6:51 AM 4
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not just stupid but iStupid, Apple wants to rule the cellphone industry and taking to court all the companies the can. so that way, small companies said yes and yes to all what they want, now Apple needs to paid iFone ( mexican company ) up to 40% for each phone they sell in Mexico. thanks to his litigation move
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 7:18 AM 13
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There is a difference between abusing, and actually getting paid SOMETHING for them. Basically what apple has done is the very same thing that they accuse everyone else of doing, using patents that others own the rights to and not paying for them. They already had this kind of situation go to court once with Nokia coming out the winner. That little stunt with the $1 is them trying to put themselves in the dominant position. The difference in this case is that apple is the one with their hands in the cookie jar and all the parties involved in the case (apple, motorola, & google) are american companies. So apple can't rely on good ole' american patriotism to win it for them this time.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 8:42 AM 7
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Mxy, if you think $1 per phone is anywhere CLOSE to fair, given the dumba** judgement levelled against Samsung, then you have no idea wtf being "objective and fair" means. There is NOTHING you offer that sparks any kind of discussion, all you do is think that Apple should rule the world and that everyone else should bow down. Wanting Apple to pay more than $1 per phone for multiple patents, FRAND or not, IS fair, whether you like it or not. Apple opened this Pandora's Box of patent litigations, so no one should be surprised when it bites them in the a**.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 9:14 AM 9
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$13-$15 per phone is abuse for an essential function of the phone....but $30 per phone for icons and round corners is right? MS getting $10-$15 from Android manufactures is fine tho right? And thats not even FRAND patents. Btw.....you probably still think the F in FRAND = Free....so you probably want Apple to pay nothing...
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 11:23 AM 3
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I haven't any idea! I mean, it's not like Apple abuses its overly broad, not-at-all obvious patents or anything like that. Apple is an upstanding citizen in the tech community, always forgiving and never patenting ideas that aren't their own.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 6:24 PM 0
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MXYZPTIK....you are like a child..VERY SELECTIVE hearing. only want to hear what you want to hear. But in your case, you only want to read what you want to read as it is in you favor. Stop fighting for something or someone that have been making a mistake. This WHY Apple file these stupid lawsuits and starting to get lose on them.....like a proud a parent supporting a child of murdering.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 8:14 PM 1
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I don't think a company as successful as apple can intelligently b called stupid. Greedy like most yes, but stupid no.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 10:29 AM 2
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Apple pushed too hard in this case. Threatening to only pay a certain fee? Ohh....we are all quivering in our boots. The judge should just throw the case out. Or order Apple to agree with Motorola's terms. Apple needs a few more of these lessons.
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 4:54 AM 15
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I'm still amazed that Apple figured $30 a handset was ok for Samsung to pay for icons and round corners...
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 6:11 AM 12
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But, of course, apple cronies, G-King and Mxy think that is ok...
posted on Nov 03, 2012, 8:07 AM 6
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