Intel takes a look at 5nm chips, already in the foreseeable future

Intel takes a look at 5nm chips, already in the foreseeable future
If you look at the mobile industry, ARM designs and chips dominate the scenery with 28nm being the keyword for this year with Qualcomm’s Snapdragon S4 leading the pack, but looking on the other side of things, there is Intel which is already a generation ahead of most mobile chip manufacturers with its 22nm Ivy Bridge lineup, but what’s interesting is that it wants to break further ahead and has already 5nm silicon in its plans.

A leaked slide of Intel’s plans details how the company wants to switch to 13nm manufacturing as soon as next year, and continue to increase the transistor density with 10nm and less projected for 2015 and later.

"Our research and development is quite deep, I talk about ten years," said Paul Otellini, chief executive of Intel.

The jaw dropping statement came later, though, when Otellini expressed confidence that Intel is going as planned with 7nm and 5nm research and development, so this means that the company could be on the right track of overcoming the hypothetical barrier around 9nm.

Check out the slides below to see just how much of an exciting future is ahead of us. Moreover, Intel is the only company that takes care of manufacturing itself in its US facilities like these in Arizona, Oregon and Ireland. The company is expanding its manufacturing to match growing demand.

source: XbitLabs via Engadget



1. Captain_Doug

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2. windowsRocks

Posts: 155; Member since: Oct 28, 2011

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3. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

now if only they could match their ability to smash physical barriers with some good drivers. ahhh dreams. There was an interesting article on anandtech about the generations after Ivy Bridge and how they are going to try to converge with mobile like tablets and such. PC's will soon become boutique items as more and more people move to laptops, tablets, ultra books and the same, and they basically think they can get a 1 chip to rule them all solution in a generation or 2. If they can do that, the generational leap in performance from say an A15 to that.. will be exponential. Now where the heck is my 3D holographic displays? lol

12. Penny

Posts: 1860; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

There are a lot of predictions surrounding the replacement of PCs by mobile products, but I'm not too sure. If the next generation mobile processor is the equivalent to a modern quad core processor in a desktop, then a next generation desktop could always just use multiple of those mobile processors. In other words, the physical constraints of a mobile device will always ensure that it is less powerful than it's larger (and less space-restricted) counterparts. And, as long as that remains true, there will always be enthusiasts that opt for the power.

13. remixfa

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thats very true, thats why PC's will be botique if all holds true. I doubt they will ever go away. To power nuts and gamers, the PC will always be the main rig... but to the masses, i can see PCs slowly fading out of main use. It sure as heck isnt going to be instant. Take windows 8 for example. Say you get a tablet at whatever size you like that has one of these neat 11mm intel chips in it. The integrated GPU configurations they were talking about for these chips were pretty substantial so for most uses, they will be pretty well equipped. Now say you want to type a document.. you take that tablet, and throw it into a keyboard doc, similar to Asus Transformer's... inserting it into the doc auto flips the screen into desktop mode. There is also no reason that those keyboard docks cant have a DVD drive, or any other host of ports. Basically your tablet is also your full notebook which is strong enough to replace all but the most enthusiastic builder's PCs, and unlike modern laptops has a great battery life.. again like a transformer in its dock. When that becomes reality, I think we can all safely say the PC rig as it exists is going to become a rarity.

14. belovedson

Posts: 1061; Member since: Nov 30, 2010

some of the problems with this is. the keyboard and mouse function from a pc can't be replaced anytime soon with the hand scrolling features from a tablet. actually let me take that back the mouse feature will probably be non existent starting from the new xbox and the second generation motion sensor. the keyboard in the other hand can't be replaced. the tablet equivalent just sucks ass. i really dont like the chicklet style of a keyboard either.

17. Penny

Posts: 1860; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

You're quite possibly right remix. I agree with pretty much everything you said except for how scarce the desktop might become. I personally think it will take a hit, but nothing more than maybe 20-30% over the next 7-8 years. Then again, my custom-built desktop and I are admittedly biased =p. I think the biggest impediment to that change is that a societal shift toward touch-only devices require a significant cultural change. We are clearly undergoing that process, and smartphones have greatly accelerated it, but I see a bigger change in technology that is really going to be needed to make that cultural shift. I think the change that will really shift the culture around technology is when it is all around us, when we are basically living in an augmented world. Walls act as touchable surfaces and you take pictures by doing a hand gesture with no device in your hands. You don't really carry around a smartphone, but rather just an access point that you can instantiate anywhere you are. It's vague, conceptual, and pretty off-topic, but I like it lol.

22. remixfa

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You would love MS's internal development studios. Digital paint and holographic touch sensors abound. I didnt mean that PC's would die over night. I also think it will take some time as most people keep their rigs like 3-5 years before replacing if not longer. 20-30 sounds good.. maybe even up to 50% in that time frame. I'm already thirsting to build a SLI setup with those new GeForce 690 (which would technically be a quad setup, since the 690's are dual 680's per board), so I know I'll be a long time hold out for PCs. :) The tablets/laptop hybrid as described would solve the touch interface transition as it would be touch only w/ live tiles as a tablet, and allow a keyboard/mouse and desktop mode when docked. Since all the power is in the tablet itself, it would truely be the best of both worlds. And as described it would make the transition from mouse to touch incredibly easy. It really astounds me that we havent made the transition decades ago. I remember when I was a kid, I had an adult friend that worked in computer tech that was running the OG Liesure suite larry in monochrome with a touch sensor on the monitor.. and i could control that through touch.. other than having to type in certain things. "Ken sent me" :) Yea, touch screens in the 80s and early 90s.. why hasnt the transition happened already?

4. Bluesky02

Posts: 1439; Member since: Dec 05, 2011

That's some serious news. Like remixfa said Intel need some good drivers. Though i can play Crysis 2 on Intel HD 3000 without any lag.

15. belovedson

Posts: 1061; Member since: Nov 30, 2010

i think intel is intentionally not providing good driver support and they essentially lock down all the features that allow us to customize, hack, overclock the cpu/gpu as in years past. sandybridge essentially killed most of the convenient modding that was always available with intel chips. if you want to mod you have to pay for the higher chipset, it's annoying. but intel forver, amd can suck it

5. keron

Posts: 11; Member since: Mar 28, 2012

can anyone tell me what's the main difference among the 32nm,28nm,23nm etc.....& what's the benefit of less nm chips.....

6. ReportTroll

Posts: 11; Member since: May 13, 2012

Difference is.........

7. maxican16

Posts: 364; Member since: Sep 29, 2011

Google can. Essentially it comes down to less power needed to process the more tightly packed, and therefore more efficient (i.e. faster) transistor arrangement.

11. nb2six

Posts: 298; Member since: Apr 27, 2011

The main difference is with the smaller maufacturing process, you can generate greater power, and less energy consumption all within the same amount of space of a chip with a larger processing size. For example the leap from a 32nm process to a 14nm one will approximately almost quadruple the processing power all the while using a quarter of the energy.

8. x7black7x

Posts: 118; Member since: Feb 19, 2012

so whose the boss (intel inside arm outside)(lol) i can see the BOSS getting pissed off run arm based chipsets

9. jove39

Posts: 2147; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Intel is moving fast!

10. Bluesky02

Posts: 1439; Member since: Dec 05, 2011

@keron Smaller size chipset mean : less power consumption : less heat : reduce cost of chip : greater revenue It means that one day you can have true PC like processor on your smartphone and tablet(already possible) which will allowed you to carry heavy tasks like playing high end HD games e.g Crysis, Battlefield 3.

16. belovedson

Posts: 1061; Member since: Nov 30, 2010

people keep talking about the capabilities of tablets and smartphones but any real gamer will game on a high rez lcd screen at 23-29 inches of screen real estate and not on some puny 5 inch to 10 inch high rez screen. unless your talking about gaming as in stupid games that require you to throw a creature at a stick building, or pacman esque type game, or some other weaksauce game available for tablets and smartphones

18. pbui.818

Posts: 78; Member since: Feb 06, 2012

What could happen is an evolution in software design on the operating system front and on the game front which results in something compelling on a mobile device and eliminates the need for a keyboard or mouse especially in the domain of content creation. The next feat would be a huge revolution in battery capacity. Once those things happen, the fixed desktop workstation ceases to have an advantage over the mobile device. There will forever be a niche market for desktop PCs but the advantage won't be essential to the broad market. Once the industry surpasses the 10nm threshold, we'll be able to do most everything on mobile devices like tablets. I love the ASUS Transformer Infinity as a transition platform. And a 10 inch screen is a design limitation that can be overcome with pico projectors which emit (3D?) 4K or 8K displays. 7nm or 5nm would allow this so we'd just need the huge battery capacities (or omnipresent wireless induction charging). I haven't even considered the potential of a "Google Glass" styled display. Work on the software design!!!

19. pbui.818

Posts: 78; Member since: Feb 06, 2012

What comes next? 32nm 22nm 14nm 10nm 7nm 5nm 3.3nm 2.2nm 1.5nm 1.0nm

20. Cyan3boN

Posts: 446; Member since: Feb 23, 2012

where does amd fit in the picture.

21. pbui.818

Posts: 78; Member since: Feb 06, 2012

0.7nm = 700pm 0.5nm = 500pm 0.33nm = 330pm 0.22nm = 220pm 0.15nm = 150pm 0.10nm = 100pm By then, of course, we'd hit some quantum physics boundary that electrons would leak all over the place.

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