In the heat of patent battle, Apple stops selling Nokia-owned Withings' smart products

In the heat of patent battle, Apple stops selling Nokia-owned Withings' smart products
As part of its ongoing legal dispute with Nokia, Apple has stopped selling Nokia-owned Withings' products from its online, and (presumably) retail stores. Withings makes stuff like the Body Cardio Scale, Smart Body Analyzer, and Wireless Blood Pressure Monitor. Now, you can no longer buy any of these through Apple.

Nokia acquired Withings in Spring 2016 for an estimated $192 million. The brand has been integrated into the Finnish company's Digital Health Unit.

Apple and Nokia are duking it out in court over patent and antitrust lawsuits. It was Apple who made the first move, filling an antitrust lawsuit against Nokia and partnering patent assertion agencies over alleged extortion attempts at acquiring excessive royalty fees. Nokia responded by filing 40 patent infringement lawsuits across 11 countries and accusing Nokia of failing to establish licensing deals for patents that cover displays, user interface, software, antenna, chipsets, and video coding.

While Apple is accusing Nokia over conspiring to extort money through an illegal patent transfer scheme, Nokia explains a failure to reach a licensing agreement with Apple has forced the company to defend its rights. As always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

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78 Comments

1. aashis.sapkota

Posts: 85; Member since: Sep 27, 2015

Cat fight! :-D

54. Klinton

Posts: 1409; Member since: Oct 24, 2016

Not at all. Just justice! Apple have patents for everything possible, long before the real tech companies to invent it. (in US of course) Bet on, Apple have patent for time machine too.

60. SmartPhoneMobiles

Posts: 187; Member since: Oct 16, 2016

rApple bastrds think they can do everything and cash money.. Nokia earned nothing..

2. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Way to go Nokia.

9. Unordinary unregistered

Lol..

11. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Lol +w for the truth.

62. mr.reckless562

Posts: 162; Member since: Dec 22, 2016

way to have a butt hole 4 a mouth

3. chaosnightmare

Posts: 182; Member since: May 20, 2010

It's really hard to not see Apple as a bunch of greedy douches anymore, I mean, when you have legal issues involving patent crap with everyone else maybe the problem is you.

5. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I think litigation is the problem.

63. mr.reckless562

Posts: 162; Member since: Dec 22, 2016

ppl like you are the problem

70. techperson211

Posts: 1280; Member since: Feb 27, 2014

+1. Hahaha. Made my day even better.

10. Unordinary unregistered

Blabla bla. Patent battles happen LITERALLY every day. Thousands. The highschool dropouts and basement dwellers on this site think this only happens to Apple lmfao.

61. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

Thanks for pointing out your fellow basement dwellers.

15. mrochester

Posts: 999; Member since: Aug 17, 2014

So you'd expect Apple to continue selling the products of a company that is actively attacking them?

29. microsoftnokiawin

Posts: 1268; Member since: Mar 30, 2012

No but i'd expect them to pay for using technology that's not theirs in their products

41. NarutoKage14

Posts: 1324; Member since: Aug 31, 2016

Typical Apple tactics. Steal your IP and then try to block you in some way, shape or form when you catch them.

42. NarutoKage14

Posts: 1324; Member since: Aug 31, 2016

Apple is no stranger to stealing IP, it's even in the app store terms of service that they can steal/copy your app and claim it as their own. http://observer.com/2016/12/apple-watch-rips-off-silicon-valley-developers-iphone-breathe-app/

4. Podrick

Posts: 1285; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

Unprofessional behavior by Apple.

6. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I don't think you understand the situation.

50. Podrick

Posts: 1285; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

This coming from you? Lmao!

64. mr.reckless562

Posts: 162; Member since: Dec 22, 2016

i dont think you understand you

26. Subie

Posts: 2364; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Large corporations suing other corporations is just par for the course. They all do it, and the vast majority of it doesn't get reported in the mainstream news.

65. mr.reckless562

Posts: 162; Member since: Dec 22, 2016

true, but the ONLY reason y ppl care, or at least y i care, is because freakin Apple had the Poop for brains to think they could patent a god damn rectangle or/and rounded corners.... like lets just give them the patent small books too then while were at it!! THATS y ppl care about these stories kuz apple made such a retarded claim. now were on the look out 4 more

7. Awalker

Posts: 1977; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

"As always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle." That statement doesn't make sense to me but the truth resides wherever the evidence leads.

8. Rafishant

Posts: 396; Member since: Oct 13, 2015

Like a crying baby Apple. They know they will lose any legal fight with Nokia!

12. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Apple has enough money to make Nokia their little b*bleep* many times over.

16. domfonusr

Posts: 1085; Member since: Jan 17, 2014

And that is precisely why, no matter how much I dislike it, the fact is that Apple will win this thing. Nokia simply cannot afford to oppose Apple, and Apple will carry on whether Nokia wins or not. Apple has so many resources, and so much diversity of resources (as well as wealthy investors with interests and power), that there is no way to bring them down. They will inevitably take over the entire mobile phone market, not in terms of market share, but in terms of being the only company that will have the resources needed to innovate at all. They already take in almost all of the profit in the entire global market for mobile devices, and as long as that condition continues, the result will only become more obvious over the next few years. They've done all this in just the last 10 years, so what do you think will happen in the next 10 years? After all, in the King James Version of the Holy Bible, in Ephesians 6:12, it says: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." We are about to feel the real power of Apple in the mobile market, as they throw off the thin and final chains of the last of Nokia's patent rights. Once this is past, nothing can possibly restrain them ever again, except the will of God Himself.

17. Johnnokia

Posts: 1158; Member since: May 27, 2012

Apple had 7 court battles against Nokia.. They lost all of them. Apple is paying royalty fees to Nokia for every device they sell since 2008. Nokia has 64000 patents. The biggest intellectual property by a company ever.. https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/84342-apple-must-pay-nokia-a-royalty-for-every-iphone-but-what-if-microsoft-buys-nokia http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/technology/apple-nokia-patent-smartphone.html?_r=0

18. domfonusr

Posts: 1085; Member since: Jan 17, 2014

Yes, but that was the old Nokia they were dealing with. Nokia now is just a sliver of what it once was, and many of their patents have been scattered across new companies and consortiums. Not only that, but Nokia has been out of the mobile phone industry for a couple of years, and so is not developing a lot of IP in that arena. While Apple almost certainly must acknowledge Nokia's hand in bringing the basic technologies that underlie the development of most mobile devices, I have no doubt that there are people in high places at Apple who want to see that acknowledgement end (or at least to cut off the money trail, even though it is just a drop in the bucket). If Apple can throw off the patents from Nokia and Motorola, then they can edit history, and claim that they invented the "real" smartphone, and then try to collect royalties from all of the Android manufacturers. It won't happen without a serious fight, but I think that Apple is about where they need to be, in terms of power, resources, and brute will, to pull off the upset, and turn the mobile phone world further upside-down (that is what they have been doing, piece by piece, since 2007).

19. Johnnokia

Posts: 1158; Member since: May 27, 2012

"Nokia now is just a sliver of what it once was, and many of their patents have been scattered across new companies and consortiums" Are you kidding me? Nokia had applied for 1285 patents in the last few months only. Nokia acquired 30000 patents after the acquisition of Alcatel Lucent and Withings. Nokia sold only few branding trademarks and design patents to Microsoft. http://www.latestpatents.com/category/nokia/ http://www.computerworld.com/article/2909751/nokia-alcatel-lucent-deal-would-make-a-complementary-patent-portfolio.html http://patentvue.com/2015/04/17/alcatel-lucent-patents-will-bolster-nokias-patent-portfolio/ This is the new Nokia! It has one of the largest R&D facilities in the world. You really need to do some research before spreading such meaningless comments.

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