Trump takes first step toward U.S. ban on Huawei products

Trump takes first step toward U.S. ban on Huawei products
The U.S. has warned its allies not to source 5G networking equipment from Huawei. The company, already considered a threat to U.S. national security, is the global leader in networking gear and is currently the second largest smartphone manufacturer in the world. U.S. lawmakers are concerned because, under China's communist regime, Huawei could be called upon to gather intelligence from consumers and corporations around the world.

In the past, Huawei has denied that it spies for the Chinese government and earlier this year company chairman Liang Hua said that if asked to spy by the government, he would defy them. Reuters reports today that Liang says that he is willing to sign a "no-spy" agreement with governments to make sure that its equipment is safe for countries to deploy. The comments are not only aimed at the U.S. but also at the U.K. as Britain decides how wide a berth it will allow Huawei in the country. A British government spokesman said today that the country has "strict controls" over how Huawei equipment is used. The British government will soon make a decision about Huawei's networking gear and all carriers in the country will have to abide by the decision.

As this article was being written, CNBC reported that President Donald Trump had signed an executive order declaring a national emergency over threats to U.S. technology. While the order does not mention Huawei specifically, Trump is expected to follow up this executive order by declaring an outright ban on Huawei products in the U.S. FCC chairman Ajit Pai, appointed to his position by Trump, said the president's move is a "significant step toward securing America’s networks."

The executive order gives Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, after consulting with other officials, the ability to block transactions involving communications or information technology that "poses an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States."

Trump's executive order comes in the midst of the U.S.-China trade war

U.S. government workers are banned from using a Huawei phone and the company's devices are not allowed to be sold on U.S. military bases. In January 2018, Verizon and AT&T suddenly decided against carrying the Huawei Mate 10 Pro after announcing that they were going to offer the device to its subscribers. There is speculation that the U.S. government pressured the pair not to carry the phone. Last month, New York-based retailer B&H Photo took pre-orders on the Latin American variant of the Huawei P30 Pro, offering a one-year warranty to U.S. buyers.

Trump's executive order comes as the U.S. and China are embroiled in a major trade war that has both sides imposing tariffs on imports from each other. While smartphones are not yet included in a large number of products from China that are being taxed, if the president escalates the trade war, the next group of products to be taxed will include smartphones. At that point, manufacturers will have to decide whether to raise their prices or eat the extra cost of the tax. One analyst, Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley, says that Apple will have to raise the price of the iPhone XR by $160 if the tariff is imposed on the device. Presently, cases for the iPhone and iPad are being taxed, but Apple has not raised prices of these accessories. In other words, the tariff cuts into Apple's profit for those products.



1. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3188; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

“Because I said so” is not evidence against Huawei. I don’t currently own any of their products but I have had a Mate 9 and P20. They make really good phones but I can’t get past EMUI. If I wanted an iPhone, I would just get one, which I have.

3. Deadeye37

Posts: 312; Member since: Jan 25, 2011

I have the Mate 9 and its great. I don't care much for EMUI also, but I use Nova launcher and Smart Drawer. works great for me. I like their default phone app.

21. TypicalGeek

Posts: 220; Member since: Feb 19, 2015

You can try watching Joe Rogan (podcast?) on Youtube. Everyone on the show that have been involve with this matter are concerned about Huawei because it's mandatory for any Chinese company to do everything for interest of the party. I don't care if a god damned tech company want to spy on me, everyone does, but Huawei is spying on everyone for Communist party. That's an entirely different matter.

23. Charlie2k

Posts: 176; Member since: Jan 11, 2016

Why mention just Huawei? All tech-companies have development offices in China and are affected by the same law. Thinking this is about real concern is just naive.. This is just America being America, trying to protect their business that are falling further and further behind the competition.

32. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3188; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Get my news from YouTube. Brilliant idea, almost as good as Trump getting his security briefings from Fox & Friends.

33. Ashoaib

Posts: 3309; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

Please read this news: "Sinister secret backdoor found in networking gear perfect for government espionage: The Chinese are – oh no, wait, it's Cisco again Better ban this gear from non-US core networks, right?"

2. Deadeye37

Posts: 312; Member since: Jan 25, 2011

Geez, I feel like this is being handled poorly by both sides. Trump is wearing his tinfoil hat because the tinfoil hat wearing advisors are saying so. Huawei is only now trying to deny this. What Trump needs to do is order an actual investigation & testing to see if any of this is true and maybe come up with some certification process to guarantee that no spying happens. Huawei needs to work with an independent body to prove and certify that their equipment is safe.

4. jacky899

Posts: 434; Member since: May 16, 2017

The ONLY surveillance hack ever found in Huawei's equipment to date was ironically implanted by the NSA. Edward Snowden leaked a document in 2012 that show how the NSA's Tailored Access Operations unit conducting covert operation “Shotgiant” beginning in 2007 had succeeded in infiltrating computer servers in Huawei's headquarters in Shenzhen, China by 2010. The success allowed the agency to spy on email communications of Huawei employees, including founder of Huawei, as well as steal the source code for specific Huawei products that could be used to exploit those products for espionage or cyberwarfare purposes. The purpose was to find ties between Huawei and the Chinese gov and also to give NSA the ability to roam through computers and telephone networks of all nations (allied or not) that use Huawei equipment giving the US the ability to conduct surveillance, and OFFENSIVE CYBER OPERATIONS.www.nytimes com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-ser​vers-seen-as-spy-peril.htmlwww.androidauthority com/nsa-stole-huaweis-source-code-362824/ Not a single wrong doing was found to backup the many US accusations of Huawei after a decade of continuous spying on Huawei and the Chinese government by the NSA. In comparison with US companies like Google, MS, Facebook etc., have FAAARRRR more dirt as proven time and time again, doesn't that make Huawei a saint of a company? Last year, the US justified the ban on Huawei products that despite no evidence of backdoors in Huawei products were ever found (besides the NSA installed one), it doesn't mean Huawei will not embed back doors in future products or software updates. I think that is a very weak argument because the Chinese can use the same argument and ban all US products especially given the huge irrefutable list of evidence of NSA spying. In addition to mass surveillance of domestic civilians, Edward Snowden described, "NSA engaged in "dangerous" and "criminal" activity by "hacking" civilian infrastructure networks in other countries such as "universities, hospitals, and private businesses" NSA themselves have claimed to have "direct access" through the "Prism" program to the systems of many major internet companies, including Microsoft, Skype, Apple, Google, Facebook and Yahoo despite some of these companies later deny NSA's claim (for obvious reasons).www.theguardian com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-​user-data The US recently asked Germany to stop using Huawei products and Germany asked for proof of Huawei working with the Chinese government or Huawei spying. The US could not present any.​-is-no-proof-of-huawei-spying

9. UnlimitedSkye03

Posts: 300; Member since: Apr 27, 2012

Basically it's the US spying on the devices devices and now they're pointing fingers at Huawei, pathetic.

31. inFla

Posts: 217; Member since: Aug 17, 2018

In other words , I don't give a damn about my nation's security as long as I can have the phone I want.

5. briankeithmays

Posts: 42; Member since: Dec 18, 2013

The USA is trying to ban them because they are dominating apple in sales. Everyone knows this nation uses apple to help drive the economy. It's shameful what our nation is doing to hauwei.

8. User123456789

Posts: 1351; Member since: Feb 22, 2019

Why not ban Samsung? Since is the #2 in USA. Other nations like China benefit much more with iPhone sales than USA. Foxconn factory in China. There are suppliers that have factories in China. Many chinese employees at Foxconn. Apple buys components from many foreign companies.

10. UnlimitedSkye03

Posts: 300; Member since: Apr 27, 2012

It's trade war, and China is the biggest threat to US.

11. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1485; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

But it's not about trade, it's never been about trade. But as a nation that wants to be regarded as the most powerful in the world you can't really come out and say: Hey China, your military is growing too fast and getting more advanced than ours, stop it!

22. TypicalGeek

Posts: 220; Member since: Feb 19, 2015

Because Samsung is a private company, Huawei is basically a state-based company.

26. jacky899

Posts: 434; Member since: May 16, 2017

User123456789, China does not benefit much more from iphone sales than the USA. Only about 3% to 6% of the manufacturing cost of iphones goes to China. The rest are component cost that goes to Korea, Japan, etc. The Iphone 7 cost $5 to manufacture in China per ZDNET and $8 from other sources for more recent iterations. However, the 100% cost is calculated into the trade deficit instead of the amount that actually goes to China. Similarly, the majority of exports from China are non Chinese, primarily American brands, where nearly the entire profit goes back to the US not China. What the US propaganda hides from you is how much money goes from China to the US. For example, 1/3 of the world's Iphone users are in China so money going from China to Apple is FAAAAAAAARRRRRRR more than money goes from Apple to China.

28. Mikele

Posts: 193; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

Sammy is not Chinese company but Koreans a US Allies!

30. IT-Engineer

Posts: 584; Member since: Feb 26, 2015

China market is 35% percent of apple revenue. Apple is making much more money from the Chinese. And in order to do so they give data on Chinese users to the Chinese government. Should we ban Apple too? They also cooperate with NSA.

16. oldskool50 unregistered

Apple does not drive the US economy. Samsung is 25% GDP of South Korea. Apple is 0% of the US GDP. Even though Apple does make some stuff in the US, it's not enough to have an effect of the US GDP, because the product is not shipped in the millions from the US. Apple actually hurts the US economy by keep its $250B off US shores and paying fair taxes on the money they have earned. And yes I do agree Huawei is being banned and that is one of the things Tom Cook likely spoke to Trump about because if Huawei comes to the US, it will seal Apple fate. Which is exactly how capitalism is suppose to work.

6. Venom

Posts: 3973; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Didn't take long for the Huawei apologists to come out of hiding and make excuses for Huawei.

7. cmdacos

Posts: 4388; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Nothing to apologize for. Hauwei hasn't done anything wrong.

38. Venom

Posts: 3973; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

13. QuantumRazer

Posts: 216; Member since: Apr 27, 2019

How can one make excuse for a company that hasn't done anything related to spying?

18. oldskool50 unregistered

Being smart isnt one of your strong traits is it? Here, how about this. I want you to show me just one case where the US actually has shown proof Huawei would or is spying. Now let's me clear. Huawei is in China. Since China is a Communist country the China govt as the US stated, can tell Huawei to spy on others. Whether they will actually ask them or will Huawei even comply, is left to ever be seen. Let's say Huawei dowsnt comply, the Chinese govt can not only force Huawei to close, they could arrest every person working for the company and jail them for as long as Huawei doesn't comply. There has been zero evidence that Huawei has ever spied on anyone. The other issue is Huawei has 5G and the US doesn't. ATT wants to lead the 5G roll in the US along with others. If Huawei had 5ag EQ here, other companies will not be able to compete because they are so far behind and they fear they will lose most of their business to Huawei. It's all a political stunt to help US Corporations not lose to an Asian country or company again. The US had failed in every category to provide real competition to Asian corporations. The only US Companies that have managed to stay competitive is Intel, Microsoft, Apple and a few others. When it comes to tech, the US is only above developing countries. They are behind every Asian country when it comes to technology, transportation and more.

29. Mikele

Posts: 193; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

Simple truth

39. Venom

Posts: 3973; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

This isn't about who's ahead in tech or competitiveness against foreign companies. You think it's a political stunt. I think it's more than a bloody stunt. China has done some shady stuff before, and you mean to tell me that one of the biggest companies in China hasn't spied on anyone or done anything remotely shady?

40. Vancetastic

Posts: 1881; Member since: May 17, 2017

Show me government that hasn’t done “shady stuff”, and I’ll show you a bridge I have for sale, super cheap.

19. maherk

Posts: 7057; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

Not surprised to see you here. You have been crying and nagging about your unpleasant experience with the Nexus 6P for years now, like seriously dude, get over it. And again, go cry on Google's forums, they designed that phone, and they were found responsible and ordered to pay compensation fees in almost all the cases that was filed against them, Google, not Huawei. Jeez.

37. Venom

Posts: 3973; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Lol I never said nor implied anything about the Nexus 6P. You are the only one who continues to bring it up, so why don't you get over it? This has nothing to do with Google. We are talking about Huawei here, but thanks for confirming that you are one of those Huawei apologists who will continue to make excuses for Huawei.

14. Larry_ThaGr81

Posts: 593; Member since: May 26, 2011

Looking forward to the next election.

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