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Apple wants to know how the DOJ unlocked Farook's iPhone 5c without its help

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Apple wants to know how the DOJ unlocked Farook's iPhone 5c without its help
Now that the FBI was able to unlock the Apple iPhone 5c used by dead terrorist Syed Farook, Apple wants to know how the FBI achieved this feat without its help. And Apple thinks it knows how it can get that information. You might recall that last month, we told you about a case involving an Apple iPhone 5s belonging to a drug dealer named Jun Feng.

Even though Feng pleaded guilty to dealing Meth, the government still wanted his iPhone opened and the content turned over. This would satisfy terms of a search warrant received by law enforcement. However, a federal magistrate in Brooklyn ruled that he did not have the authority to demand that Apple unlock this phone. The Justice Department appealed this ruling to a district court judge. But before any ruling could be made, the Justice Department announced that it was able to unlock Farook's phone. 

Apple, and other tech firms, are concerned that the unlocking technique used by the Justice Department could end up in the wrong hands. That would make personal information stored on every iPhone on the planet potentially lucrative targets for hackers; that is, until Apple closes whatever opening was employed by the DOJ. To do that, Apple needs to how the device was unlocked.

One way it might be able to find out would require the federal government to continue to pursue the request for Apple to unlock Feng's iPhone 5s. This would force both sides to turn over evidence during the Discovery portion of the trial. And it is here where Apple might be able to demand the method used by the DOJ to unlock the infamous iPhone 5c.

It is convoluted and complex, but at the end of the day all of this might help determine whether you still will be able to count on your iPhone as a secure place to store personal information.

source: Reuters

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posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:06

1. supracer (Posts: 15; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)

Or they are playing dumb or just LMFAO!!!

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 06:22 3

21. ibend (Posts: 6675; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)

maybe they seriously didnt know.. If they know they should already release some security patch for iOS9

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:27 4

26. Finalflash (Posts: 3527; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)

They're making this BS up. The whole FBI thing was a stunt by the FBI to get a backdoor way into every iPhone and not just that one. Then Apple capitalized on the hype by making it look like they're super security conscious just as they get more "pro" crap out to appeal to businesses. Finally, FBI quit the legal crap cause they weren't going to win at all and went with a "3rd party" that worked for Apple and probably were recommended to the FBI by Apple themselves. Finally, Apple plays innocent and wants to know how they got in which the FBI will not reveal publicly to make this all seem legit.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:34 1

27. izim1 (Posts: 1259; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

I was with you up until the tinfoil hat conspiracy theory at the end...

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 14:28 1

48. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14501; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)

Yeah because conspiracies are only in movies. I'm curious, governments have been found guilty of killing their own people top start an illegal war. Do you think the USA killed almost 4000 of it citizens to start a war?

After all, even if the President Bush came out and said they did it, what could any of us do about it? After all, the USA has the world's largest military and capable of blowing up the whole planet, you think they care about killing us?


What the guy says could be 100% fact we will never know, doesn't mean its any less feasible.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:07 15

2. neela_akaash (Posts: 1229; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)

That's seems to be a dent on Apple's ego...

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:19 3

7. Exynos. (banned) (Posts: 177; Member since: 28 Mar 2016)

It's not a dent nor about Apple's ego. I have also thought that the method used by DOJ might be illegal or illegitimate.

Appe has the right to know how it was unlocked, in order to know if it's copyright or software terms and conditions has been violated in the unlocking process.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:40 1

11. Hatshipuh (Posts: 143; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)

I think it's sure to say that unlocking a phone without user consent is against their ToS without knowing the method.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:25 11

25. ph00ny (Posts: 1508; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Permission was given by the owner and they had proper court order to do so. (Btw phone wasn't owned by farook)

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:39

28. izim1 (Posts: 1259; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

Apple is the owner of iOS and they most definitely did not give permission. Whether or not this was legal or the warrant allowed it it's probably going to be up to the courts and apples highest paid lawyers to decide. But people keep acting like iOS can be owned by anyone other than apple. Just like windows, ios has never been for sale.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:41 7

29. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)

The DOJ should give Apple as much help as they gave to the DOJ.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:59

32. lyndon420 (Posts: 5000; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


posted on 30 Mar 2016, 13:50 1

43. tedkord (Posts: 14120; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

No they don't have that right.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:12

3. catze86 (Posts: 731; Member since: 07 Dec 2015)

I bet, they hire China hackers.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:42 4

12. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

It was a company from israel not hackers from china lol, Apple doesn't want to know who unlocked the iPhone they just want to know how.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:12 2

4. Arschsalat (banned) (Posts: 158; Member since: 29 Feb 2016)

With the Power of Giorgio A. Tsoukalos

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:13 1

5. tabVision (Posts: 26; Member since: 16 Jul 2015)

I don't really understand what's the problem to open his phone already. They could just give his phone to apple employee and he will unlock it while all the people involved on this case will be at the same place(I assume it will take up to one hour to do it) and no one will know how to unlock iPhone devices

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:23 5

8. asiansatan (Posts: 57; Member since: 18 Sep 2014)

@Apple ,,|,,

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:54 1

14. phonehome (Posts: 811; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)

I guess the Asian version, Satanic version, or just a plain bad attempt at texting a middle middle finger.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:49

13. phonehome (Posts: 811; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)

Was probably a former (or current) Apple employee who was paid a good sum and / or received a 'get out of jail free' card. (I wouldn't count on too many incumbent gubmint employees to be bright enough with this endeavor.)

In the future, all smartphones (Apple and otherwise) should have an optional auto erase feature if not unlocked after a certain period of time.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 04:58 4

15. TerryTerius (unregistered)

There is a whole lot of Grey area here. I don't want any unwanted parties accessing any of my information or pictures... But it is difficult for me to also say I'm comfortable with the idea that criminals will basically have a safe haven to store anything they desire knowing full well the government cannot touch it.

Ultimately I lean towards personal protections from criminals and governmental bodies but... I don't see how anyone could say that's an easy decision to come to. It's a lose-lose no matter how you look at it.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 05:10 8

17. RoboticEngi (Posts: 1055; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)

Ohhh so now they want FBI to help Them. God they are so pathetic.......

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:43

30. izim1 (Posts: 1259; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

They don't want the fbi to help them with anything. They just want to know how someone broke into their security system. When someone breaks into your house, wanting to know how they did it is not the same as asking for the burglars help.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 13:53 2

44. tedkord (Posts: 14120; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

And, they're asking the FBI to tell them. In other words, asking for help. From the FBI.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 05:31 1

18. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)

I've always laughed about Apple's lack of coding ability that they can't even keep IOS secure when all they've done is polish up the same basic, flat OS over the past decade, but now I'm hoping anyone capable of helping Apple improve security will be able to help.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 05:44 7

19. Sondae (Posts: 291; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)

Before apple don't want to help unlocked the phone of a terrorist due to many reason on security for apple user. Now Apple want to know how DOJ do it lol. How ironic.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 07:44

31. izim1 (Posts: 1259; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

Define "irony" for us....

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 11:44

37. VZWEMP (Posts: 158; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)

maybe you should.

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 12:03

39. Exynos. (banned) (Posts: 177; Member since: 28 Mar 2016)

Shouldn't you, then?

posted on 30 Mar 2016, 12:30

40. aleant36 (Posts: 71; Member since: 03 Feb 2015)

But you should...

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