Apple loses FaceTime patent infringement trial , ordered to pay VirnetX $368M

Apple loses FaceTime patent infringement trial , ordered to pay VirnetX $368M
A federal jury in Texas yesterday ruled against Apple in its patent fight with VirnetX, and ordered Cupertino to pay $368 million in damages to the company. The issue at stake?

VirnetX claimed ownership of some VPN security patents that Apple allegedly used for its FaceTime video chat service in the 4S. Apple claimed that even ifits engineers inadvertently used something similar while creating FaceTime, it is just a small chunk of a much larger project, and not worth the requested $708 million in settlements.

Apple does not owe money to VirnetX,” Danny Williams, a lawyer with Williams, Morgan & Amerson in Houston who represents Apple, told the jury. “VirnetX is not entitled to money for things they did not invent. The VirnetX technology, if used, is a small part of very large, complex products.

The jury decided something in the middle, Apple will, of course, appeal, but Microsoft already bore the wrath of VirnetX, whose tech is used by the CIA, and was ordered to pay them $200 million in patent infringement fees.

For years Apple refused to pay fair value for the VirnetX patents,” argued Doug Cawley, a lawyer with McKool Smith in Dallas who represents VirnetX. “Apple says they don’t infringe. But Apple developers testified that they didn’t pay any attention to anyone’s patents when developing their system.



2. denied911

Posts: 361; Member since: May 31, 2012

what are "ifits engineers" ? or you mean if its?

3. Mr.Mr.Upgrade

Posts: 474; Member since: Aug 30, 2011

Hey istoled do like Romney and go away

4. plgladio

Posts: 314; Member since: Dec 05, 2011

These are not FRAND patents!!!

5. tiara6918

Posts: 2263; Member since: Apr 26, 2012

One word apple-KARMA!


Posts: 2315; Member since: Jul 30, 2011

Two words: iFraud!

6. TheMan

Posts: 494; Member since: Sep 21, 2012

What goes around, comes around, Apple.

36. BadAssAbe

Posts: 508; Member since: Apr 22, 2011

We dont play play around in Texas, get your bulls**t out of here Apple

7. GeekMovement unregistered

"'VirnetX is not entitled to money for things they did not invent. The VirnetX technology, if used, is a small part of very large, complex products.'” Wow like Apple invented anything yet they keep attacking every other companies for what... "black rectangles with round corners"? This technology is also "a [VERY] small part of a [VERY] large, complex products." Another note is that these lawyers who represents Apple are admitting to stealing VirnetX's technology by doubtfully stating "The VirnetX technology, [IF USED], is a small part of a..."blahblahblahblah. Another ridiculous fact is that Apple themselves even said that $708 million is too much (which in real honesty, it's not ok they deserve this), so the settlement was reduced to almost half $368 million, but then all of a sudden the lawyers are like “Apple does not owe money to VirnetX.” Confused idiots yet again. Sorry, but true fact.

8. No_Nonsense unregistered

Oh wait, I'm adding you to my "People on PA/other blogs to sue list" . You folks keep stealing what's in my mind and post it.

9. GeekMovement unregistered

Haha sorry couldn't help but think of it as I read so much nonsense coming from those fruity lawyers. It's really quite absurd their actions.

15. eisenbricher

Posts: 973; Member since: Aug 09, 2012

Fruity lawyers... lol sounds delicious xD But no thanks they are rotten.

20. Nathan_ingx

Posts: 4769; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

Even Apple developers are admitting to the crime. See the last sentence- “Apple says they don’t infringe. But Apple developers testified that they didn’t pay any attention to anyone’s patents when developing their system.”

29. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

WOW.... Looks like all the hate and whatnot against Google, Samsung needs to be shared.... Its so much hypocrisy in this case. I cant wait for this to be defended by the usual suspects....

10. _Bone_

Posts: 2155; Member since: Oct 29, 2012


11. SleepingOz unregistered


12. raunak

Posts: 507; Member since: Oct 12, 2011

party tonight!!! lol

14. elliotsilva

Posts: 13; Member since: Sep 04, 2011

" ordered Cupertino to pay $368 in damages to the company" well that isnt much xD lol i think the million number is missing

17. xray174

Posts: 85; Member since: Nov 21, 2011

thats fair

18. bensch

Posts: 7; Member since: Nov 06, 2012

It's quite a bit of money actually. This will cost more money than Apple had expected.

19. exynos5

Posts: 21; Member since: Aug 17, 2012

apple is losing their luck....Samsung must be laughing their asses off...

22. soshi

Posts: 154; Member since: Mar 08, 2012

The best news, Every part of apple is stolen product. They are the real thief who accused other as thief.

23. ilia1986 unregistered

Christmas comes early! :D


Posts: 2; Member since: Oct 18, 2012

Now, truly speaking i begin to hate Apple especially my iphone they claim to be the best/

30. Danre

Posts: 85; Member since: Sep 02, 2012

Where are those Apple fan who told us that they hate patent infringers.

33. xfire99

Posts: 1207; Member since: Mar 14, 2012

Why do have Microsoft have to pay 200 mill and Apple only 368 mill? iPhone 4S was soooo popular all around. They should pay much more then 368 mill and if Microsoft paid, so must Apple. If u want to play with fire and better get ready to get burned u self.

34. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

well it seems that we have in our hands a real patent troll.. hmmmm. 368 millions in damages? i would like to know which damages are those... ohh how I miss Jobs.. he would have put this 'company' in its place.

35. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

Wow what a shock, an apple troll blindly supporting apple, this is what apple deserves and hopefully wont be the last. All apple does is sue and patent existing ideas yet you cheer them on like there god.......its real pathetic

37. rusticguy

Posts: 2828; Member since: Aug 11, 2012

Goons have no place in society. His thermo nuclear crap lead to Failed Apple Maps :)

39. rawkuss

Posts: 29; Member since: Nov 02, 2012

"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." Steve Jobs-Triumph of the Nerds (1996)

40. tedkord

Posts: 17418; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Well, we've heard from the number two Apple troll now. All that's left is for Myx to show up and proclaim that these are FRAND patents and it's not fair. Some days I miss Taco... Nah, I don't.

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