Apple has a fight on its hands for the nano-SIM standard, tries to outmaneuver Nokia, Motorola and RIM
posted by Daniel P. / Mar 21, 2012, 4:13 AM
As the name suggests, it is a 2/3 smaller card than the micro-SIM version (as if we were not easily losing this one easy already), saving space for other stuff in smartphones' overcrowded innards.
Apple embedding a programmable SIM in its phones and using them as dumb pipes only), and others will be able to license the standard from Cupertino.The European telcos are all behind the proposal (much better than
The reason that the rest of the gang is complaining against Apple's way to standardize the nano-SIM is that it requires a tray to insert or take it out, much like on the current iPhones. Motorola, Nokia and RIM are afraid that this method will ultimately result in having to pay patent fees to Apple, and Nokia claims its solution is superior to Apple's. If you have to use a tray as big as a normal SIM card, we can see Nokia's point.
ETSI should be deciding on the new nano-SIM standard next week, so we will follow through to check who won the small card lottery. Nokia is currently the largest voting body within the group with 92 votes, but Apple has been frantically registering subsidiaries to become voting members.
If the registration goes through today, Apple will have the largest number of votes, and Nokia already raised the red flag about this on Monday asking “whether it is right that one group of companies can obtain a high amount of votes by filing multiple membership applications”.
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If Apple wants this standard, they should forfeit patent rights to the required design. Otherwise, screw them and their continued attempts to hold the rest of the mobile manufacturers hostage.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 5:21 AM 17
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I agree. I am fine with Apple wanting this standard. However, the "more room for innards" argument is nullified by the standard sim-card sized tray, so we know its really to get some of that patent money.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 10:54 AM 5
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the government needs to break up apple like what they did to MS. next thing you know you will start eating iburgers and ifries
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 6:57 AM 9
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wow.. apple buying and forcing subsidiaries to register to vote.. that sounds an aweful lot like CHEATING. I agree with you sniggs.. if it goes through then they need to relinquish all rights to the patent. This is just their way of trying to patent troll the entire industry from the inside.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 7:00 AM 8
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pongkie - are you being sued for infringement yet? (iburgers and ifries) Bluesky02 - where have you been? All of the companies jockey for this kind of stuff, but it is one thing to support a standard and another to use it to collect licensing fees.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 7:05 AM 1
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you'll never know. they even sued a coffee shop with an apple fruit logo which is ridiculous yeah all the companies jockey all this kind of stuff that's why government regulators are there to step in and protect consumers. look what apple is doing to the online books.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:35 AM 1
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Whats with the new standard. isn't that why everyone uses a standard sim? And here comes apple wanting to be a game change again. i can't imagine how big a pain in the ass it would be to have to change sims every time you change phones.....
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 7:30 AM 0
What did I say last year? I said that Apple will take control of things, despite the higher level of total Android activations and the challenge of Windows Phone emerging, because they are making more money than anyone else... really more than everyone else in the industry combined. Once again, history is bearing out that, in this environment of corruption in the system, "he who has the money sets the rules"... Apple is, and has been, raking in the dough... and now they are using that money to set the new standards for the industry by buying the needed votes to push their proposal through. Once again, Apple "changes everything" by re-writing the rules of engagement to suit themselves and forcing others to follow (then get sued over and over again for following too closely). This is a brilliant strategy by Apple, and sadly it is actually paying off unimaginably well. The iPhone and the iPad have become iconic, coveted, and known for their quality, while any other quality device from anyone else gets sued for being too "ornamental", because apparently Apple is the only company that is allowed to make something that is high-quality AND looks good. So, if Apple cannot sue everyone, the next logical step is to force through a new standard that REQUIRES all manufacturers to license Apple's technology and design in something so fundamental that no one will be able to escape it AND still continue to do business. This plan is being executed nearly flawlessly, and has apparently been planned long in advance of our hearing about the potential results. Apple has played the entire industry real good... I don't dispute the quality or ability of iOS devices from Apple, but the business practices are maddening, and the cultural identity factor (with the associated peer-pressure) is both annoying and insulting. I think that next week we will enter a new level of Apple domination as their nano-SIM becomes the new world standard for all GSM/UMTS/LTE devices. Call me a pessimist... you would be right, but I would prefer to be wrong at the same time that I get pleasantly surprised.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:17 AM 2
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Your points are super smart, but is apple doing anything different then any other company does, or would do if they're able to beat someone to the punch.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:21 AM 1
Although this kind of thing has happened before in a few other industries, in the entire history of the mobile industry since the Motorola "brick" was invented in the 1980's, I am not aware of any other company that ever even tried to do what Apple is doing now... Apple has, in return, been the primary target of similar counter-maneuvers by others, but they have only done so in response to Apple's initial "changes [to] everything", and have only done so in a watered-down and guarded fashion as to not bring upon themselves the same Anti-Apple ire from their like-minded competitors who they have largely coexisted with for decades until now. Apple has brought a new style of fighting to the industry, and no one seemed quite prepared for it. So yes, Apple did launch this kind of behavior in this particular industry, and others are having to adopt the same strategy just to counter Apple enough to survive at this point. Apple beat everyone to the punch because no one else was even thinking about delivering a total industry-wide knock-out blow the way that Apple did, and now everyone else is scrambling to adapt and escape further attacks.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:59 AM 1
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Not harping on you, but u seem intelligent, and I like to get opinions from intelligent people, instead of the loud mouth clowns that get on these sites, and type dumb stuff.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:23 AM 1
I suppose that depends upon your definition of "intelligent"... This is a commentary forum for people with opinions on the posted articles, so you are not likely to find total professionalism from every user who comments here. We are commenting our "opinions" on "professional" articles, so don't expect everyone to share the same "opinion" with you. If you are looking for professional views, read the posted articles here first. If someone says something that is offensive to you, I think the best advice I could give you would be to ignore them.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 9:06 AM 3
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Call me an optimist, but I don't see Apple winning out on this one. Nokia still has a fair amount of influence in Europe, even though Europeans seem to love Apples dough. I also think that because Apple is frantically registering subsidiaries, that the European commission will cry foul on it and those subsidiaries may be disqualified from participating in the vote. But as with everything else, we shall see. And people wonder why I dislike Apple to the point that I would never, ever use their products and discourage any of my family and friends from doing so if my opinion is asked. Their shady business practices and culture are why.
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 12:26 PM 3
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Oh, yes, everything is perfect in mobile phone industry but can't be implemented because of huge sim cards... Pff, a phone tend to be larger than 12-13 x 6-7 cm; does anyone think a 2 square cm sim card is "way too big"?!
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 1:00 PM 0
of course , some more news about Apple trying to hold other OEM's hostage . I think Apple is a stingy , greedy , manipulative company . Screw Apple & their iPads & iPhones . They've screwed pretty much every manufacturer @ one point or another . They copy ideas from other OSes , throw some glitter on it , & they will take out another manufacturer just trying to throw a patent on it . Screw Apple . I wouldn't be caught dead with an iOS or Mac OS product . Apple is disgustingly greedy .
posted on Mar 21, 2012, 10:35 PM 1
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