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Wall Streeter says that Android's seamless future won't affect Apple

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Wall Streeter says that Android's seamless future won't affect Apple
If one word can describe Google's future for Android, it would be "seamless". A good example of what the tech titan has in mind for its open source OS, can be seen in a 2 minute video released by Google on Wednesday. While many are looking forward to such a future, J.P. Morgan analyst Rod Hall's concern was elsewhere. Working for a major money-center securities firm, Hall had to determine whether the announcements made Wednesday at Google I/O would impact Apple.

According to Hall, Google's focus on keeping a design consistent across different devices, is something that Apple already does well with the iPhone, iPad and Mac. The analyst also questions just how useful all of this integration will be to Google considering how few people are toting Android powered laptops and tablets.

The analyst comes to the conclusion that Android's ecosystem is limited to smartphones, which makes us wonder if Mr. Hall has ever looked at the statistics that show Android tablets have been outselling the Apple iPad since the third quarter of 2013. And between Android and iOS, only one of these platforms currently is powering smartwatches in the marketplace.

"The key takeaway for us is that Google wants to disembody Android from the device and have it float around wherever you happen to be on any device seamlessly. This is, on our opinion, similar to Apple's vision but potentially tougher for Google to implement given their device ecosystem is largely limited to smartphones today."-Rod Hall, analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hall just might turn out correct in his belief that Apple won't be affected by Android's seamless initiative, but the reasons he gives for believing this certainly do not match what is happening now.

source: AppleInsider

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posted on 26 Jun 2014, 14:43 11

1. nctx77 (Posts: 1965; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)

Hey Allen F., you mad bro? LOL!

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:38 13

9. Doakie (Posts: 2006; Member since: 06 May 2009)

Mad? It's an article regarding an analyst spouting incorrect facts.

You ignorant bro?

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:59 4

10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

The analyst was retained to pitch a position, and so they abused facts to fit the position.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 20:12 3

21. sgodsell (Posts: 3635; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Android is in more of a position to be seamless across hardware because its the only OS that is hardware agnostic. All the other OS's and the ecosystem software are tied to specific CPUs or hardware. Android from day one has never been that way since it uses a virtual machine. That's why apps can run on Arm, x86, MIPS, and now there is even 64 bit support. That analyst should do some homework on actual systems first.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 02:52

27. seret6 (Posts: 154; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)

Andriod on htc's sense 5 was slow and laggy,
Android on touchwiz's note 2 and s4 lagged like hell
After extremely miserable experience i went back to ios via iphone5s and never had lag for a second

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 13:30

30. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

The ASOP is not tied to a machine. But the OS is. That kitkat 4.4 is not gonna run on hardware that is not built for it. Like oh you know my 64bit x86 pc.

If it was that easy, the year android came out they would have made it so. But drivers, etc keep it from happening. Also VM's are great, but compared to OS like Linux, Windows or OS, it will lag in different applications.

Not saying it can't or wont happen. But linux is the same way, but how many linux boxes are sold each year to business and homes cause of monoploy of MS products in the 'real' world.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 23:20 4

25. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

And Wall Street didn't anticipate economic breakdown and global recession ? How do they come up with these? Again?

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 15:47

33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

"How do they come up with these?"

By abusing facts (or ignoring them)?

posted on 28 Jun 2014, 04:53

39. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

Read the article carefully . He states that android is "limited to smartphones only" so how does it becomes a fact? Or you just saw the title that apple will not be affected? Before trying to reply to a certain opinion read and comprehend what is the article is all about.

posted on 28 Jun 2014, 23:17

40. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

When was Android limited to smartphones only? Perhaps you should learn more about Android before you comment on Android articles. Correct grammar would help your credibility as well.

posted on 29 Jun 2014, 23:23

41. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

Again read the article. Also check your grammar as well.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:59

11. nokia12 (Posts: 484; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)

hahahaha !!

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 17:02 2

15. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

na just another sh33p don't know Apple using outdated features

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 19:17

20. joey_sfb (Posts: 5741; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

Apple seamless tech is already in actions. Google is out there to prove they can do it too!

However, with 80% Android market share Google do have a great potential to do better if they are able to win over public acceptance on their other tech as well.

Good luck Google you have my support for now!

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 20:18 3

22. sgodsell (Posts: 3635; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Considering Google has been seamless with its ecosystem from day one. This goes a long way when the apps can work on all types of hardware already. You do realize Android uses a virtual machine so its not tied to any specific hardware. Being seamless in hardware automatically gives Google a big edge over the competition.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 20:57

23. joey_sfb (Posts: 5741; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

I am sure they are referring to Android Auto, Android TV, Their yet to release Android extension pack and gaming platform services. Their chrome desktop.

I am ready to embrace it when Google make it feasible for me to use them.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 14:48

2. Mark7 (Posts: 20; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


posted on 26 Jun 2014, 14:57 15

3. Finalflash (Posts: 3090; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)

Another analyst, another disillusioned analysis. As mentioned, it likely will not affect Apple, but for completely different reasons.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:13 3

5. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)

Disillusioned? Probably not. I'd bet he has a good amount of AAPL though.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 16:00 4

12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

"I'd bet he has a good amount of AAPL though."

Or, his employer was retained by AAPL to allay concerns about the future.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 17:38

16. Furbal (Posts: 980; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

I think he completed missed how well chromebooks/chromeboxes are doing in his analysis...

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:07 3

4. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2275; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)

Its the truth.. Yall mad bro?

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:15 15

6. eN16HTMAR3 (Posts: 253; Member since: 08 Oct 2013)

This dude is dumb. It wont affect Apple, hence it already has.................

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:18 7

7. SellPhones82 (Posts: 569; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)

This analyst lost all credibility with his "ecosystem is largely limited to smartphones" comment. This is also the same analyst that believe Apple is leaving $63 Billion on the table each year by not adding a keyboard to the iPad! He's been their Apple analyst for not even 3 months and will be lucky to still hold that position in 3 months from now.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 13:33

31. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

Your analyst is like saying that apple leave billions by not building a car...

In truth, they dont want a keyboard on the ipad, 3rd party can do it cheaper for 30bucks with a bluetooth keyboard.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 15:27 5

8. phonefanboy (Posts: 11; Member since: 06 Oct 2011)

Alan F trying to do damage control, as usual. Next article by alan will be pro Apple.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 16:49 2

13. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Mr. ROD Hall don't realize that Apple is using outdated features from 2010. And another thing Mr Hall Is Apple can't read certain type files that Android can.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 17:50

18. darkkjedii (Posts: 21277; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Does that affect Apples bottom line? No. Regardless of what outdated this, and outdated that they're using, they make an awfully good product. What you need to do is stop looking at what they use, and look at the end user experience/customer satisfaction rating. Apple is beasting rite now, cuz they deliver where it counts most, the users hand, resale value, and satisfaction. Stop hating, and pay attention dude.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 17:00 1

14. Luuthian (Posts: 246; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)

I don't see how anyone would consider Mr.Hall's comments off base. Android barely has life outside of mobile. Other people may use Android, but they lather it up in their own twisted version of the OS. The most popular Android tablets out there don't scream "Google" but Samsung, Amazon, and... That's pretty well it. Neither of those companies is particularily good at sharing with Google either.

Google WILL have problems selling the seamless experience outside of Nexus devices or the rare (and very expensive) Google Edition devices. I think what Google is doing is great... But expect too see what what was shown in the video any time soon on a mass adopter level.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 13:35

32. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

Or the fact that other companies have had 'seemless' for awhile.

I have been able to do that with windows. My pc can play files from the pc, from my phone, the pc on the tv can do so as well, the xbox etc.

While it is great that Android can do it, apple has been doing it along with MS for years, this is not some revolution. This is a revolution to people used to andriod and then barely coming to the realization you can do this for years already. imo that is. And at times the tech that others produce is wonky or need this and that.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 17:46

17. darkkjedii (Posts: 21277; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Sure it will, just like the Red Sox future will affect the Yankees. These two are rivals, and will drive each other, just like the two BBall teams I named. Rite now, I must say Google is driving Apple more so than vice versa. Both rock, and bring the noise, but the truth is the truth. I will also continue my love affair with both OS's. It's good to be the jedster.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 18:28

19. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4198; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

I'll agree with you there, as long as they're competitors what each does will affect the other.

I wish in instances like these, companies would hire people with an actual engineering or tech background, not a money guy who is familiar with tech. It would serve their company better to have accurate info when speculating on investments.

posted on 26 Jun 2014, 21:48 1

24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Depending on context, info may not matter. If by 'speculating' you meant buying and selling investments, then, absolutely, accurate info should be a requirement. But if 'speculating' means expressing one's opinion, there is no need for accurate information. For example, I could offer my opinion that the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east. I don't need any accurate information to base my opinion on.

Since this 'analyst' was offering their opinion, they didn't need any accurate information to base their opinion on. Unfortunately, some people will rely on the idiot (err, analyst) to make an investment decision. That is the real shame.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 00:26

26. brasstax (Posts: 285; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Hey darkkjedii.. I know that you own a Note & an iPhone.. So let me throw a hypothetical question at you.. Suppose I hold a gun to your head & ask you to choose between the two & stick to your choice for the next 2 years.. What would you choose.. :)

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 06:04

28. darkkjedii (Posts: 21277; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Honestly, I'd choose the iPhone. Not because it's better, but because I have a lot more vested in the Eco system. Android doesn't natively play quick time files (you can download an app for em, but they only play with the app), so I can't get those vids over unless I text em, which degrades them too much. iOS is my daily driver, but only by a small margin. I also like the size of the iPhone more, ironic seeing as I'm excited for a 5.5 inch iPhone. The main reason I'd choose the iPhone, is auto vid file compression/ editing. I've always liked that point shoot send ability. Overall, not just pixel count, I still feel the iPhones camera is the best. Just being honest, ready to get bashed, and sorry for the late reply.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 09:40

29. brasstax (Posts: 285; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Wow.. Pretty detailed reply. I can see where you are coming from with regards to the ecosystem thing. That's where apple's shrewd business strategy comes to the fore. By providing both the hardware (iPhone) & the software driving it (IOS), they have ensured that their customers have to think twice before switching to another platform. Can't say I can fault them though, they are here to make aggressive profits. That's what most, if not all companies do.

And Naa.. No bashing brother. While I can't forsee myself using an iPhone any time soon, I respect your opinion. You like the iPhone because it suits your needs best. That's what you should spend your hard earned bread on. That's the logical thing to do. Hope you enjoy the iPhone 6 when you purchase it. Do let me know what you think about it.

I am an android person because I love tinkering with all things tech & the platform offers endless scope for the same. Only my imagination & time is the limit. I also am addicted to raw horsepower & like the reassurance that I am holding a beast in my hand. Only the note 3 gives me that reassurance at the moment.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 16:33

34. darkkjedii (Posts: 21277; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Nothing but respect for your post bro, and when I said bashing I didn't mean you. I meant the immature android fanboys, which you are not. As much as I love my note, it's not rooted. I'm just not into jail breaking and rooting, both devices are factory. I'm tempted, but I buy and sell a lot, and I prefer people do it themselves. When asked if my devices are tampered with, I like being able to honestly say no. What's your next device?

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 20:20 1

35. brasstax (Posts: 285; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Thank you for your kind words. Yeah, most people root in order to overclock their phones to squeeze that extra bit of speed. Or to get rid of manufacturer installed bloatware in order to free up more ram. This is not a big issue for all flagships these days with their insane speed & 3 gigs ram.

It also is wise to play safe. I mean, after paying your a$$ off for the latest flagship, why would you want to lose the warranty by rooting? And my next device will be Android, of course. I am biased towards big phones & so keeping my fingers crossed for Sony to out a z ultra successor. If that doesn't happen, I'll buy the note 4 in the first quarter of next year, when it's price should have become more within reach for lesser mortals like me

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 23:24

37. darkkjedii (Posts: 21277; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

iPhone 6, and note 4. My usual 1 2 punch.

posted on 27 Jun 2014, 22:49

36. refillable (Posts: 1046; Member since: 10 Mar 2014)

Nah, I think he missed one word. It Won't affect Apple (Read:) FANBOYS.

posted on 28 Jun 2014, 03:01

38. alexsupertramp (unregistered)

"Wall Streeter says that he is Apple's little beeyotch"..would be a more appropriate title

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