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Verizon: “Windows Phone needs LTE support to succeed on our network”

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Verizon: “Windows Phone needs LTE support to succeed on our network”
Windows Phone 7 has yet to grab much market share, but no network has turned a cold shoulder to the platform more than Verizon, which skipped the initial launch of WP7 handsets and to this day has only carried the HTC Trophy in its pantheon of smartphones.

The reason, according to Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden, is the lack of LTE-enabled WP7 handsets. Verizon’s LTE network, which just turned one this week, is far ahead of other carriers’ attempts and has been the driving force in Verizon’s aggressive marketing campaigns. According to Walden, Verizon wants to see a timeline for bringing LTE handsets to market before making the decision to “continue to support” the platform.

LTE may not be long in coming to Windows Phone. Nokia is rumored to be working on an LTE-enabled Lumia 800 handset. Microsoft has apparently got the LTE-enabled version of Mango to OEMs already, and some industry insiders expect to see an LTE WP7 handset announced as soon as CES in January.

Of course Verizon may also be waiting to see if Windows Phone will gain more traction with U.S. consumers. After all, they had no problem promoting the iPhone 4S even though it doesn’t have an LTE radio. So while Verizon is trying to align upcoming products with their network strategy, they also bend to consumer demand.

So Microsoft thinks the carriers need to be more supportive of WP7, and at least Verizon seems to be waiting for more demand before bothering to support WP7. It’s a real chicken and egg conundrum for WP7 enthusiasts on Big Red’s network.

source:  CNET via The Verge

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posted on 06 Dec 2011, 14:52 8

1. The Zune Lune (Posts: 41; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)


What a ridiculous remark from VZ. Their 4G phones have had horrible problems, plus, why don't they put the same requirement on Apple? My brother and I were just discussing how this could be the very issue that moves us from VZ to Sprint.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:20 6

8. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Horrible problems? Care to elaborate? I've had a Thunderbolt since release and the only horrible problem i've had is that I dropped the phone last week and broke the screen.

Oh yeah, and 25mbps download speeds are horrible too...

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:51 3

12. jabrecer (Posts: 26; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)


so, you're giving two reason why VZ is not horrible. Thunderbolt and speed.
I have something to tell you.
1) thunderbolt is the most horrible LTE phone in the market (please, find out why extended battery on this phone is so popular and also why the extended battery came out almost immediately after releasing the thunderbolt)
2) speed is not exclusive of VZ and never prevented VZ of having network problems.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 16:51 3

21. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


I didn't say Verizon wasn't horrible. Also, for being the most horrible LTE phone on the market it works great for me.

Also I get 12-15 hrs of battery life so don't know about that either...

As far as speed not being exclusive, could you name another carrier that offers speeds higher than 25mbps?

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 22:39

40. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


12-15 hours is horrible... i wud never buy a phone that doesnt even last frm when i wake up to when i go to bed...

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 17:42 1

25. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


I hate to burst your bubble jabrecer but a lot of phones have been launched with an extended battery as an available option. Hmm let me look at my battery life on my TB.....oh snap ive been using the phone for over 11 hrs and ive still got 50% battery left. So yeh please get your facts straight.

PS ive been running on 4G all day : )

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 18:25 1

30. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


you've probably had the phone on and with you for 11 hours but i seriously doubt you've been using it. xD

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 18:11 2

27. The Zune Lune (Posts: 41; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)


I was an Original Droid owner - great experience. I am also a thunderbolt owner - horrible experience. Yeah, I could root, but I am tired of rooting and want a solid off the shelf phone performance. Here are my issues with the Tbolt :

1. I go through 2 extneded batteries a day. I go through 1 when I go to 3G mode. i get a solid 4G signal all day, so, no that isn't the issues.

2. Reboots - have plagued my phone since Gingerbread...and oh, how long did it take us to get Gingerbread? Way too long.

3. It takes FOREVER to boot the stupid phone. Seriously, It is almost a 5 minute deal when I swap batteries.

4. Animation and video are both much smoother on Windowsphones - and, the GUI is just a lot nicer. I like the faster camera, i like the better voice integration. Once they get turn by turn navigation worked out and a few good handsets from Nokia and the next generation from Samsung, WP7 will be a killer.

5. VZ needs to offer more than one model. How can you offer one model with 2 year old technology and expect it to compete?

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 19:35 1

34. tuminatr (Posts: 774; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


zune lune, there is something wrong with your phone. I had the Thunderbolt and had a great experience. I did go on ebay and buy a 1800Mah slim battery ( I use about 5-6gb per month ) my phone made it through the day with that slim battery. My phone took about 30-45 seconds to boot I bet you f&^^ed it up trying to root it

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 00:08

47. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


Well there something wrong with your phone indeed buts it's not your phone. It sounds like you are a victim of to much freedom. That's what happens on android when you can do more you are at risk of crippling your phone if you have to much stuff running. Because if your using that much battery you are either on your phone strait time all the time ore you have too much stuff running in the backround. You can't do that on windows phone or apple to easily

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 00:10 2

48. kemjus (Posts: 32; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


I agree with you, I have had my Thunderbolt since launch day. It is not the best phone but it is reliable. Given I do have juiced defender which turns off 4g when my screen is off which helps battery huge! I charge it only when I go too bed. I also agree with Zune Lune that 4g is a battery eater... although thats a trade off when you buy speed. Super cars dont get 40mpg either...

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 16:29 1

20. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


after their "nexus show" i can say vzw suc*s

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 17:52 2

26. quakan (Posts: 1381; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


Apple has one of the highest demanded handsets on the market that's why the stipulation isn't the same.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 23:08 1

42. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


unfortunately you & your brother are a small minority on Verizon that care to see WP7 become a bigger voice. i don't think Verizon's stance on WP7 is off the mark. the platform isn't polished enough yet, it almost seems to be unfinished. though its a huge step above WinMo 6.5 & prior...not really that impressive at this point. i would say once it matures it may be a powerhouse of an OS. the HTC Trophy doesn't move at all, not b/c people don't know about it but bc Verizon customers are flat out uninterested. Android & iPhone seem to take priority over that (& Blackberry for that matter). i think its a smart move for Verizon not to invest in a platform that isn't really moving much in their camp. if you are willing to move to Sprint over something like that...i'd have to say i don't get it.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 13:44 1

52. DarkWalkker (Posts: 5; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


Totally disagree!

As a network engineer I like all technology, and from what I have seen WP7 is at least as stable and more polished that Android was even a year ago...

Count me as one of the people, which I would bet are more than you would think, that would love to try a WP7, but I won't sacrifice on the technology... I am limping along with my current phone which I badly need to upgrade because I want to see what is announced in Jan... If there were a good WP with top notch tech right now on Verizon or Sprint I would try it now.

Don't get me wrong, I like Android, but some of what WP is doing, I really like, and would love to give it a try... I will only know how much I like it until I have one for a few weeks. And I really wish the Us carries would give it a shot already...

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 14:55 1

2. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


What issue? 4G issues? Or lack of Windows Phone?

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:24 2

9. jabrecer (Posts: 26; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)


verizon's stupidity. that's the issue.
examples:
1) no samsung galaxy SII
2) promoting exclusive galaxy nexus when it is not like that
3) NOW: no windows phone because of LTE (what about iPhone?)

whoever read this comment is welcome to make this list bigger.
what really happens here is this: verizon wants NO RIVAL for iphone and droid phones.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 17:12 2

22. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Why would it matter at all? Data prices are the same for any smart phone on VZWs network. They would get their money either way...?

It's gotta be demand. Nobody is screaming to get a Windows Phone these days.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 17:14 1

23. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


I GOTTA GET ME A WINDOWS PHONE!!! OX

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 21:12

38. holysnikey (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


The iPhone is allowed to sell without LTE because when they got it, it was the best selling smartphone at the time and was proven to sell. I believe Windows Mobile has like 6% of the market share vs the iPhone has 15% or so. That is the difference sir.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 18:12

28. The Zune Lune (Posts: 41; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)


We all know these carriers help create demand, so VZ is doing the choosing here.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 23:13

43. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


true carriers help create the demand, but for them to help there first has to be a demand which there is none for WP7 on Verizon...

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 14:58 1

3. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1556; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


from what I read from an internet source one of the Tango specif actions on windows phone 7 has LTE support and the option to make lower quality cheaper windows phone 7 devices. I doubt that anyone will sell low specs Windows phones in the USA but the
OEM's need the LTE that is in Tango

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:07 3

4. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


While I agree that LTE support would have a significant impact on the success of Windows Phones, Verizon has no right to say what Windows Phones need to do to be successful when they only offer a single, old model of the damn thing. No s*** you're not going to see success with it if all you have to offer is a single, average phone that gets no attention at the stores or online.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:09 1

5. itsthenew (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Oct 2010)


WP7 needs some distinctive features aside from live tiles and ...well xbox live? Hardware wise and software wise there really isn't a reason to get a wp7 device aside from promises down the road in 2013. Why should I get something that MAY be awesome years from now rather than something that is great now?

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:19 2

7. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Hardware-wise, yea there aren't really a lot of WP7 phones to write home about. Software-wise, I would argue that WP7 is awesome NOW, and just has more potential as time goes on. Live Tiles and XBox live may be the touted features that you hear about most, but for an actual user, I would tell you that the best part about having a WP7 phone is that so many of the features I use on a daily basis are so well integrated that I haven't even properly explored the app market. It is just ready to go functionality and never fails on me.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:51

13. itsthenew (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Oct 2010)


And the thing is I could really argue the same thing with my phone but it has more apps, more horsepower, LTE, etc. It's not a compelling product for a lot of people because of these reasons.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:59

16. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


True, the lack of these things does make it a less compelling product for a lot of people, and rightfully so. All I can say is that in my opinion, for those whose needs are met by WP7 phones, WP7 probably does a better job at meeting those needs than its competitors.

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 16:29 1

19. tigermcm (Posts: 856; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)


Being that i have never left windows i agree with the integration is so great i myself have not really looked into apps. I changed my fiance from an evo to an arrive she likes how one note lists update instantly on each others phones. she did have a lil fuss about not so many apps but realized that most the apps were never used on her evo and it gets cluttered. IMO i feel most ppl frown on wp7 becuase they want apps apps apps sheesh apps are annoying going into 50million diferent apps to do one thing

posted on 06 Dec 2011, 15:19 2

6. LewsTherin006 (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)


this is what they really mean " Windows phones need LTE so that we have free up space for the iphone. Also it doesnt sell a lot so it needs something to make it look attractive." VZ can careless about windows phones, they have a strong droid line and the iPhone, so the many will come in even though it doesnt have a windows phone.

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