Sprint to be first in U.S. with Samsung Galaxy S II, called the Samsung Epic Touch 4G
The information also mentioned to expect the phone to launch on September 9th. While that is a Friday, and Sprint usually launches phones on Sunday, that would have meant a launch on the 10 year anniversary of the 9/11 terror attack which would certainly explain the Friday release. As far as T-Mobile is concerned, as we reported, leaked information is pointing to an October 26th launch of its Samsung Galaxy S II variant named the Samsung Hercules.
Unless other information is received that changes things, it looks like Sprint customers will have first crack at the smartphone that has been on everyone's mind now for months. Those with Sprint accounts better start collecting loose change now because September 9th will be upon us before you know it.
source: SprintFeed via AndroidAuthority
1. Chethan Murthy (unregistered)
Samsung Galaxy S II is a Extraordinary Phone with more specification but Its Processor is 0.2 lower than LG so I think that is the only back step it has but all other features are great. It will be at the top for more than 5 years.
2. alecgale (Posts: 55; Member since: 29 Jun 2011)
no lg phone has a dual 1.4 ghz processor
in fact no phone currently on the market has a 1.4 ghz processor
6. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
processor speed means nothing. the Exynos processor in the SGS2 is lightyears ahead of tegra2, DC snapdragon, and even the Ti Omap. For dual cores, nothing has more power than samsung exynos.
11. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
"light years" is an exaggeration when comparing OMAP & Exynos. take a look at a Droid 3 on Smartbench 2011 next to a Galaxy S II clocked at 1GHz. keep in mind the Droid 3 has half the RAM.
14. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the only galaxy2 benchmarks that exist with it clocked at 1.0ghz are pre production and non optimized. There was a huge jump when they optimized the core which is why quadrands are now in excess of 3300 out of the box.
The extra .2ghz doesnt make that big of a difference in benchmarks. Keep it to production models. :)
IF it were an even 1:1 ratio of clockspeed to benchmarks (which is definately not), the difference between 1000mhz and 1200mhz is 16%. On a 1:1 ratio that would make the exynos around 2772 on quadrant. And again, thats not how it actually happens in real life, but just for demonstration purposes.
for a real life example imma clock up my hummingbird processor and compare the 2.. ill use the difference between 1gh and 1.2 ghz on the exynos (since its the upgrade of the hummingbird it should be "similar")
HB @ 1ghz = 1736
HB @ 1.2ghz = 1867
difference = 7.01%
Ex @ 1.2ghz = 3359
- difference = 7% (235)
ex @ 1.0ghz = ~3124
so if the results are similar in actual % increase/decrease, the exynos should run about 3124 on quadrants at 1ghz.
OMAP quadrant (according to PA) = 2467
Omap @1ghz - Exynos @1ghz in %
2467/3124 -1 =.2103
The exynos is approx 21% stronger at the same clock speed.
That still obliterates everyone, even the OMAP (which would be my second choice if i couldnt get an exynos).
The Tegra2, snapdragon, and OMAP all run very close to eachother.. the only stand out performance is the Exynos.
15. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
for some reason it cut off my links.. lol
27. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
also look at Smartbench 2011. i'm using it more since everybody brings up that Quadrant isn't optimized for Dual-Core Handsets and apparently it is so i ran a test and my productivity index was 2923, respectable score in Smartbench then i scroll down and find a stock Galaxy S II at 1.2GHz running the same version of Android as the Droid 3 and it's productivity index is 3861 then you subtract 16% of that because of it's higher clocked speed and that brings it to 3243. not really that much better than my Droid 3 and then surprisingly it says my gaming index is higher at 2458 vs. 2244 but i dunno what that means and i don't really care but it means something i guess. xD
26. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
okay, i'll take your word on the pre-production Galaxy S II scores. you really did your math here and if you're coming to the conclusion that a Galaxy S II with an Exynos is 21% BETTER than the Droid 3 with an OMAP4430 then i'll accept that but also realize that Quadrant scores GPU as well where Samsung has ALWAYS been consistently better with in the mobile space so really Exynos isn't really THAT much FASTER than an OMAP4 and even though it probably is slightly you still have to factor in the better scores from the Exynos from it's GPU. my Droid 3 averages out at around 2500 on Quadrant and give that a 16% bump and that brings it up to 2900 and again that's with half the RAM. the only device with an OMAP4 and a Gigabyte of RAM is the Blackberry Playbook and there's no Quadrant on that so i'm just saying wait for the playing field to even out, like when the Droid Bionic comes out and factor in everything, especially when it comes to Quadrant.
28. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the 16% was just the difference between 1ghz and 1.2 ghz clock speeds.
the average difference in quadrant that I found using my hummingbird enhanced galaxy1, was actually about 7% difference, and thats what I was basing my math off of. :)
if you do it at the 7% i based my numbers off of, it puts it at 3591 on smartbench 2011 @ 1ghz. for the SGS2.
I used quadrants because everyone is more familiar with that app. Smartbench is supposed to be slightly more accurate though.
The best thing u can do is look at a quadrant/smartbench/whatever where they break down every category in the total score. The hummingbirds and exynos fly past everyone in the graphics power department.. they always have. They lose it a bit on the i/o marks (which has always been a snapdragon strongpoint) which actually means little in real world performance.
Its sad that when you break it down like that, the hummingbird scores higher than the DC snapdragon in nearly every category except i/o computation.
so, if you were calculating Pi all day, then that i/o score would be important. If you want to play great games and have a smooth OS, graphix are obviously more important.
Like I said before, the omap is no slouch. Im in no way dissing it, because it is the 2nd best dual core CPU out right now by a decent margin. The exynos however is in a class all by itself. Especially when you add in the great battery life the thing gets.
31. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
oh yeah, i know. i'm agreeing with you. i'm just saying the Exynos being in it's own league is exaggerated as far as the OMAP goes as for the rest? yeah, it is in a higher league than Nvidia's and Qualcomm's SoC but get an OMAP in the right conditions and it can theoretically put out some Exynos league scores. just clock it as high, put it in a Galaxy S II, include more RAM, that kind of stuff. oh and btw the Samsung Hercules in the link you gave isn't powered by an Exynos.
33. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its still unconfirmed what its powered by. But there is no way that its a dual core snapdragon at 1.2ghz like originally rumored because they run 1900-2200 on quadrant at 1.2ghz. The only chipset that I know of that can hit 3300 on quadrant stock is the Exynos.
educated guess makes me happy to think its an exynos for that reason.
34. TOdoubleD (Posts: 113; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Something that always gets left out, and it makes a huge difference in the overall score, is the screen resolution. The adreno 220 that's on the snapdragon actually scores quite high, but it appears it's lower than some of these other chips, because the screen resolution. I wish the GSII had a resolution of 960x540 so we could see how the 2 really compare. I do know the tegra 2 scored lower on nenamark than the snapdragon, when put on a higher res phone.
35. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
actually, when they tested the tegra 2 with the same setup on multiple phones where the resolution was the only real difference, it made no real impact on scores.
you really think a dual core SoC cant handle a few extra polygons? lol. theres nothing on the market that can push any of them to their full extent. most all lag is software based.
37. TOdoubleD (Posts: 113; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Didn't see where I said it couldn't handle it, simply stating what I saw from test results on nenamark. LOL.
36. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
well it's not an S3 and besides Sense isn't a factor anymore either. it says in the article what it is.
40. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Snapdragon APQ8060 is the factory name for the S3, which is found in the HP touchpad, Sensation, Evo 3D and others.
That article on the hercules is just regurgitating all previous rumors into one article. none of the specs are "official" or confirmed other than the 4.5 inch screen. And none of the other phones running a 1.2ghz Snapdragon APQ8060 come anywhere near 3300, much less 2500 in quadrant benchmarks.
If there is a DC snapdragon S3 chip inside the hercules and it runs those quads without any trickery right out of the box, ill buy u lunch.
41. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
well there's different S3 processors it seems. i know the designation for the one in the EVO 3D and the Sensation is the MSM8660 and the APQ8060 is a different S3 chip set that's in the Touchpad. it doesn't appear to be that different but why would someone start a rumor that a Galaxy S II is running the same processor that's in the Touchpad? it doesn't make any sense. i think there's some dark magic at work on the Galaxy S II...
42. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
especially since in another article on the site, it was detailing how the HP touchpad engineers were complaining about how weak the hardware was on the tablet and how they were limited in scope because of it.. There is no way thats the same chip in the hercules getting those quadrants.. lol.
I think the only real changes between the S3 chips in the phones in the tablets is the Adreno core.. i could be wrong about that, but thats all that pops into mind.
48. KingK (unregistered)
Tegra 2 @1.0ghz put in the Galaxy S2 does 4000 Quadrant.
Stop all this Exynos BS, it's nothing special.
52. xenover (Posts: 171; Member since: 27 May 2011)
Actually, The Tegra 2 @ 1 ghz in The Galaxy R is faster than Exynos but ONLY in gaming. Check gsmarena for comparison. So don't say Tegra 2 is behind anyhow.
53. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
there is nothing wrong with tegra2 (i love how people get all butthurt about their chipsets), but the exynos is still the better chip. like it or not, there is a hierarchy with the dual core chips, just like there is with everything else.
snapdragon < tegra2 < omap < exynos.
tegra2 was the first dual core out. first is great, but first is never the strongest. Nvidia is rushing to get the Kal El chip out because they know they are behind right now with the tegra2 (and the kal el is freakin sweet).
54. John Smith (unregistered)
You are not comparing an up-to-date-processor from Qualcomm. Snapdragon= S1, Scorpion= S2 and the later models are called what they are, so it's not really surprising that the processor in the HTC HD2 or an old Acer is the worst.
55. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
when i say snapdragon, i mean the dual core snapdragon or S3. why would i put a single core chip with dual core chips?
unlike unregistered john smith, the list as i have shown it was done with extensive reading and data, not a personal preference list.
56. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
something is really up with the posts today.. grr..
snapdragon(s3) > tegra2 > omap > exynos
argue all you want, but if u actually do reading and research on the subject, that is the pecking order you will find in over all power.
59. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
you kinda got it backwards there pal... xD
58. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
yeah, i pretty much agree with remixfa here. we do disagree sometimes about the finer differences because he does get a little swept off his feet by the Exynos but i assure you he knows what he's talking about.
60. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thanks thump3r :)
i want exynos to have my babies!!! lol :)
nah, im just a big tech geek. like most tech geeks i want the biggest bang for my buck. in the single core arena, that was the hummingbird and the best screen was super amoled... so i bought me a galaxyS.
in the dual core arena the best processor is exynos and the best screens are super amoled+.. and soon super amoled HD if the Nexus Prime rumors are true. So samsung is keeping me in their corner because they have the best tech.
Who knows, if those quad core Nvidia Kal El chips come out shortly after the nexus prime or sgs2 launch, i might hold off for that. The power increase in those chips are supposed to be substantial.
62. William13 (Posts: 21; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
5 years? It won't be on top for 5 months, have you not seen the cell phone market the past 2 years? It doesn't matter how good the hardware is, Samsung's software (touch wiz, etc) is still utterly horrendous. The Epic was crippled by it and I'd rather not HAVE to root my phone just for it to live up to expectations. American carriers also cripple phones with their God-awful proprietary software, and rooted ROMs will always come with issues. This probably will be the fastest phone on the market for awhile, but after the issues I had with my original Epic (rooted or not), I think I'll stick with my Photon (I am fully aware of Moto's horrible software too, but it only cost me $49.99, so I'll work with having to root a phone for that cheap) :)
65. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
touchwiz is a love it or hate it.. i like it most days.
the biggest issue with the original galaxyS phones is that in samsung's "wisdom" they decided it was a good idea to run an RFS file system instead of EXT4 which is insanely faster and more stable (which is what gingerbread is based on).
I tell anyone with a galaxyS that they need to root it and rom it since 95% of the roms out there automatically fix that issue now.
Now that they hired Cyanogen and MIUI to their software teams, I have good faith that stupid things like that will be in the past.
3. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Epic touch.... my senior prom was similar :P
8. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
lol I was going to say the Pedos are going to LOVE this phone.
22. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
throw in that "young hand" iphone case, and u got yourself a real pedo-special.
29. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i see miz and/or taco are going on the "negative thumbs" trip again.. lol. cant say anything positive, so dont say anything at all! :)
25. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
yup, because that juice bowl wouldn't touch itself and fill the cups you know.
5. Sprint Rep (unregistered)
Sept 11 has nothing to do with the release dates. Standard phones get released with new planograms, which always start on Sundays. Flagship phones like The Evo, Epic, Photon, Pre, etc.. have always launched on Fridays so they can have a big dedicated weekend.
38. TOdoubleD (Posts: 113; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
I don't know why everyone keeps repeating Sprint only releases on Sundays. Both EVO's were on a Friday, the Epic was actually released on Aug. 31st which was a Tues. Sunday has been the popular day recently, Photon, XPRT, BB 9930, but it's certainly not the only day.
7. Moo (unregistered)
A friend of mine is waiting patiently for this or the Nexus Prime on sprint.
9. moreno (unregistered)
Finally a releasr date i thought this thing would never come out I don't want to have to settle for an evo 3d. By the way quick question for sprint customers how is the 4g wimax
10. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
Actually I have already had the opportunity to see and talk with someone who has a Galaxy S II. He bought an unlocked device from the UK and runs it on AT&T's network. It brings a bigger screen to the field and the same sharp LED colors. And they have tweaked the UI a bit. And it is very responsive with the dual core processor and extra RAM. Of course battery life is a BIG concern with any smart phone. The guy who bought it says that he can easily go all day on a single charge with regular usage. My question then is what he considers "regular usage". Sure you can always buy an extended battery. But then try finding a case to fit the phone. I don't understand why the manufacturers don't ship the phones stock with at least 3200 mAh batteries. It would add a little to the thickness of the design and a little to the price tag. But at least the phone would last most of day for the majority of users. And you might even be able to find a decent selection of cases too then.
But my biggest concern is not so much the hardware. It is more focused on the manufacturer and their support after the sale. I have had the Epic 4G since the day it was released. Anyone who owns one knows how long it took for Samsung to release the Android 2.2 update. And we are still waiting for Android 2.3. Updates seem to come slowly from Samsung. HTC may not have the fancy LED screen. But they are on top of updates. And I am curious if this Galaxy S II will ship with WiMax or LTE connectivity for Sprint. I think most informed folks on here realize that Sprint is going to switch over to LTE and drop WiMax at some point. And no firmware upgrade is going to make a WiMax phone run with LTE. So you will be left with a high tech 3G phone.
12. sgogeta4 (Posts: 391; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
One word: root... (and install CM or another tweaked ROM)
63. William13 (Posts: 21; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
Rooting is a pain, sure it gives more options, and in some cases better battery life, but it has so many more problems. I've had my Evo rooted for nearly a year now and have never had a ROM that didn't irritate me beyond belief. I've gone through MIUI, CM7, Fresh, Virus, and am currently running Synergy. MIUI and CM7 have pretty much no bluetooth on my phone, Virus was slow, and Fresh has no camera. Synergy works well so far, but still has random reboots about twice a day (yesterday almost costing me a promotion by missing a call, thank God for Google Voice). Even with a root though, my Epic still had numerous problems, more than my Evo with or without root.
13. protozeloz (Posts: 5372; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
maybe a nexus is the way to go? wait for the prime and you will get updates really soon ^^ and have a nice display and the latest version of the flashgip device plus any new tricks google comes up with
17. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Yeah man, root the phone and throw a different ROM on there. But I would look into it very closely, because many things don't work and you can run into problems. My advice, root the phone to underclock your battery, it saves you hours. Not to mention the TouchWiz is very smooth and is beautiful. I miss having TouchWiz, Samsung swype, and just the little things Samsung puts into their phones. But that is just me. Can't wait for this phone to get released!!!!!!
21. wumberpeb (Posts: 425; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
It will ship with Wimax...why on earth would they ship with sprint LTE before it's even available?
30. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
In my case, I would just be waiting for LTE instead of WiMax. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana and have been waiting for WiMax 4G for a year now. It was supposed to be here in Q3 of 2010. Then it got pushed back to Q4 of 2010. Then they pushed it back to Q1 of 2011. And here we are, still no 4G coverage. And from what I have read, Sprint isn't expanding their 4G network. Funny how they jumped on WiMax to be the first to build out a 4G network. And here we are a little over a year later and Sprint has the smallest 4G coverage of the 4 carriers. And I have been to areas where they do have WiMax 4G coverage. It is faster than the 3G network. But it pales in comparison to Verizon's 4G LTE. WiMax may in fact be the better technology. But LTE obviously is the favorite for a reason, probably for cost-effectiveness.
16. justjk (unregistered)
just the 2 cents of a regular jay, I know very little about tech stuff, have had alot of android phones, and thought i would die if i did not have the SGS2, so i returned my Infuse and bought an unlocked one, I used it for 2 days, and sent it back. Yes it was very fast, but once you get used to 4.5 inch screen, the smaller screens, and yes the 4.287, not quite 4.3 screen does show a HUGE difference. as i said, it was FAST, but other than that i was not that impressed with it? and i don't know why, but many, many of the apps i use on the app market, could not be found in the app store? not sure if that's a Gingerbread thing or what, but I am one die hard, USED to be fan of the SGS2, who had to move on.
18. cometobigred (unregistered)
When is this phone coming to verizon? I thought they were supposed to get it first?! WHYYYYYYYYYY. I just might get the iPhone 5 instead, I'm tired of all the games Samsung is playing.
19. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Your time will come my son hahahaha. It shouldn't be too long for Verizon. I'd wait it out.
23. Cappy718 (unregistered)
I dont think it is Samsung...I think it's Verizon. I really wish it didnt cost so much to get rid of them!!! Yes, they have great service, but geez...they have the crappiest phones...
64. cnwwyo (Posts: 125; Member since: 26 May 2011)
totally agree, the crappy companies buy the rights to the good phones to lure in more customers i think. that may not be how it works, but it seems like most of them look the same and get boring really quick
20. damienh28 (Posts: 49; Member since: 23 Dec 2010)
I remeber arguing with someone saying sprint will release theres first, wonder where that kid is, He said verizon would becuase there was some link claiming that but yet theres no fcc approval or anything lol
24. shouldWEwait (unregistered)
wow how come no other tech blog is confirming that the gs2 will be coming sept 9? and shouldn't we all wait to see what the nexus has to offter the following month?
32. bonanzabucks (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Nov 2009)
This sucks because I got my Photon on August 8th, which means I can't exchange.
39. TOdoubleD (Posts: 113; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Take it back early and just use an old phone for a few days. Remember the 30 days starts on the day you purchased the phone. I know there was a few people who ordered online, and thought it was when they activated the phone. They wouldn't let them return it.
43. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
I would like everyone here pause and take a breath for a moment. Those of us here that follow sites such as PA, engadget.net, phonescoop, bgr, tomshardware, etc are the top 2-5% of the customer base for high end technologies. We know more than the common public. We WANT to know more than the common public.
I mention this because, honestly, John Q Public has no idea what exynos vs omap means. Hell, they barely understand what dual core means as far as true benefits. As much as we put emphasis on the specs of a device, most people, the buyers that manufacturers are targeting, only care about what the item does. Hell, this is why Apple is successful. Love or hate their product, they market the items to what a common layman would do with the product rather than how powerful it is. Think on the ads that the Xoom made. I mean, it turned into a damned spaceship. What does that really mean to a person? The Xoom was more powerful than the iPad2, had a better screen, much better cameras, but it didnt sell squat.
I say all this because I honestly call on you to put things into the phrasing of what this means for person X. For example, an OMAP 4430 versus an exynos 4210 in quandrant scores means little. However, which can do video better? Which gives better battery life? Which makes web pages load better? Which plays Angry Birds better (ok, games... hehe)? These are things that, if we want to make a difference, need to focus on.
Thanks for listening all.
49. JamesTownsend (unregistered)
Hmmmm...I understand the point of your comment...matter of fact I in some way agree with everything you've said so far...but I'll like you to explain your point about the Xoom being more powerful than the iPad. If you're strictly referring to RAM, then I would have understood your point, but you didn't get specific...so I'm curious as to what you mean...
57. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the ipad2 is way more powerful than the xoom. the A5 chip is a modified exynos basically. the xoom is more powerful than the ipad1 though. lol.
exynos has the best battery life in real life testing,
snapdragon has the worst, omap and tegra2 fall in the middle somewhere.
web pages, its not a big difference between any of them.
exynos is best for games and performance.
61. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
Front and rear cameras, ram, screen resolution, type of ram (ddr2), the "modified exynos" chip is a per clock cycle less effieicent than the tegra 2 used in the xoom, etc.
But then, this arguement is the exact issue I am saying we should avoid. When we get so hung up on, "oh yeah, well this one is 14.97 percent faster than that one," we all loose. Likewise, we all are fans of our chosen platforms. Android fanboys versus Apple fanboys vs even WinMob fanboys does nothing but puff out chests without looking at, "what does this mean to me."
Think about that the next time you make a post. I know everything I have said here will change nothing, but, dammit, I had to at least try.
66. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
actually i detest apple.
it doesnt need to have the same amount per clock cycle. the way the chip works isnt exactly the same as the other chips with its setup.
there is an awesome article onwww.Anandtech.com that details exactly how it is different from other chips and why its more powerful. If your into geekery, read it... if not, then just take my word.
most of the people on sites like these that post are enthusiasts and tech nerds like myself. comparing this piece of tech to that is exactly what we do here.. lol. in the end it all means squat and very rarely is anyone's mind change on anything, but its a fun time waster between customers. :)