Samsung may kill the Magazine UX and promote Play services as part of a deal with Google
1. Killertech2099 (Posts: 148; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
Let's see what Samsung can do With the S5 definitely my next phone or the Z2.
31. nokia12 (Posts: 452; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
so earlier it used to be android vs ios ..
now it will be
android with google vs android without google ??..
2. Commentator (Posts: 3138; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Ominous portents indeed... The Samsung-Google dynamic is probably the most interesting story in tech right now, to me anyway.
45. night_elf (Posts: 41; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)
I have a Theory about this. Lets suppose Google is working on 64-bit android (5.0) while on the same time Samsung is working on a 64-bit processor (Exynos 6), then Motorola and Tizen where standing in the way. So my guess the Galaxy S5 will be some kind of Galaxy Nexus 2 and they have to work together for the sake of Android domination + Mobile World domination. It would be a perfect plan! While on the same time i think that Samsung wouldn't throw the magazine interface away. I think it will distinguish the next Galaxy from the next Nexus (which will be essentially the same) think of the next nexus as a Galaxy S5 Google Edition.
3. ReaperChief (Posts: 31; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
This is stupid.. The magazine UX looked really cool and limiting Samsung services means less options for us, the consumers.. I wonder what are the advantages to such a deal..
4. metoyou (Posts: 279; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Smart move Google knowing Samsung can be a major threat to Android and its services
7. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
Samsung is not a threat to Android or its services. Samsung needs Google more than Google needs Samsung.
16. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
You need to think again. Samsung would be nothing without the Google Play store and Google apps. If Samsung left their are many companies who would pounce to fill that void.
19. Klamba92 (Posts: 210; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
While you have some point, the moment the Samsung moves from android a lot of users that still don't have a clue about googles services will realize that the amount of apps have severly decreased.Only then understanding what Google services means to Android and Galaxy phones!
33. elitewolverine (Posts: 3778; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Before Samsung how was droid fairing? Samsung outsells all droids by no small margin.
It is because of this that people have made apps for it.
As to the other who posted that people leaving google would feel the app crunch. Perhaps, though only in crappy games or crap apps.
Search battery in google play store, or task manager, or anti virus, let me know how many 'must need' apps soak up the list. Or how many photo sharing apps, or messaging apps...
Most users have a handful of apps with power users counting past 50-100+. Out of the majority the apps that matter most is, does their emails work, can they play music and does it just work. Some have apps like bible, magazine. And while the choice is vast the idea that they would 'be hurt' is simply not true. Bank apps? Meh my ie10 on a phone handles all my banking websites without the need of an app. Though an app may 'help' I am not crying for one.
Many users do fine without google, just ask apple, or wp. What Samsung has done for google is huge. The Magazine UX keeps them away from a tiled win os look, one that will become more and more popular as pc's come with the look. It will happen. Google just wants it on their terms and not Samsung's.
40. Awalker (Posts: 1071; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
Actually Google apps are quite popular on iOS and Microsoft is desperately trying to get them.
Samsung is not going anywhere. Their Tenzin phones will sell like their Windows phones without Google.
15. ihavenoname (Posts: 1645; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Samsung ain't threat for Android, it's actually one of the reasons why Android is popular.
28. nctx77 (Posts: 1271; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
Man I had to laugh at your comment. What you just said is exactly why Samsung is a treat to android. Dude, Samsung is damn near a monopoly when it comes to android. If they were to walk away and start doing tizen phones, android would crash on their @$$. Who would pick up the slack for Android?
32. nokia12 (Posts: 452; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
if Samsung leaves android now it will be over for them...
htc,Sony,Lenovo,LG will happily come and take Samsung share..
even nokia could not survive that which had a much stronger and supportive fan base than Samsung..
34. elitewolverine (Posts: 3778; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
It is not that they didn't have the fan base, it was that they did not move forward with an easy OS. And the OS they did have at the time was not mature to match that of iOS. IMO that is.
44. bakarock (Posts: 53; Member since: 29 Aug 2013)
So tell me, why Samsung Windows Phone smarphones do not outsell its anDroid counterpart.
43. Funky_Rocker (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Jan 2014)
Samsung needs Google more than Google needs Samsung.
Tizen is not samsung's first attempt to try without Android, Bada was a big flop.
Whatever samsung achieved in Smartphone market is with Android only.
Today, Samsung is having Android only for its success but Google is having full army
5. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
Samsung should buy the group behind Nova Launcher and have them revamp Touchwiz.
10. _Bone_ (Posts: 2150; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Better yet, Action launcher. ActionWiz... weird.
6. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
Google please for all the things considered holy among technologies, let Android run free like a crazed horse
8. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
here are a few apps copied by Samsung cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lolsamsung.jpg
11. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
oops broke the link, aaand I take back 'copied'I'll use recreated instead
9. _Bone_ (Posts: 2150; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Well thank you Google for killing just about the best idea Samsung ever had for a tablet.
17. _Bone_ (Posts: 2150; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Well it appears the Magazine UX is the victim of colossal corporational battles.
Google just sold Motorola's HW division to Lenovo for $3Bil and signed a massive multi-year licencing deal with Samsung. So it appears Googy had to let Motorola go for Sammy to let Tizen go, and so must the Magazine UI which looks pretty darn good, damn it!
25. joey_sfb (Posts: 4581; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Google lose a lot of money on Motorola. They can't be all in when it comes to handset business. By selling Motorola, Samsung and the rest of the OEM will fall in line and acknowledge their Handset Alliance Leadership as Google.
By minimizing internal Android Alliance conflict, Google will have more resources to treat with the upcoming threat from Apple.
13. kryme (Posts: 289; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
i admire google alot..... pimping out these big companies.... google is like "go sell my product b***h and dont be adding too much junk in my s**t either...... here let me show u how its done.... "
18. Vanster (Posts: 124; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
hahaha actualy the magazine ux is son of the metro ui married with flipboard
20. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Thank You VERY MUCH Google!
I know for some the Magazine UI may be a great thing, but Samsung isn't very good with updates. TouchWhiz is bad enough, but adding yet another element for their phones and tables would be horrible for those wanting Android 4.5 or 5. I really wish every OEM would just follow Motorola's lead and put all their crap in Google Play so I can pick and chose wha I want on my phone.
21. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3088; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Samsung isn't very good with updates?
Samsung has more devices updated to 4.2+ than both LG and HTC combined.
23. Commentator (Posts: 3138; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
So? Being better than HTC and LG doesn't make it good.
37. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3088; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
So being better than the competition doesn't make you good? Okay then. I guess everything sucks in your view? lol
24. milesboy5 (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
Because they sell and release more than both of them combined... its the percentage of HTC or LG devices that show who does a better job.
38. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3088; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
HTC has a billion Desire phones and LG has a billion L1,L2,L3,L4, so and and so on phones.
I wasn't talking about how many devices they have that they recently released are up to date.
I'm talking about how many devices in the PAST they have released and keep updated. Even their old SGS2 has jelly bean where the HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Droid phones, LG Revolution, LG Nitro, etc are all stuck in the past and abandoned.
26. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Lol. Don't get me wrong, they are quicker than most you are right about that. But it's the end result I'm not too pleased with. My Note 2 was flawless before this last update. Now it power cycles by itself, random apps and features just freeze or stop working. It's so bad I actually have to power cycle once every couple days to make sure it doesn't do it when I'm not aware. I really like SOME of the features, but I think it's starting to get in the way of the experience. I would rather have 4.1 back if it means I get back the reliability it once had.
35. elitewolverine (Posts: 3778; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
That is not samsungs fault, that is the fault of the apps you are using that do not play well with droid updates.
I had a note two, updated to latest release, reset device, made sure all updates are there. From a fresh device it runs great.
Check your apps, I am sure others have the same 'issues' you have. Though I could be wrong and your HDW was giving out before the update and the update exposed it sooner.
36. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I would agree with that somewhat. If the apps aren't compatible with 4.2 that could cause an issue. But I see this with every phone I upgrade or even swap out for replacement. Load the same apps on a replacement device 9 times out of 10, the replacement device will not have the same issue as the original phone. Even though they may be running the same version of the OS. Not even a factory reset helps, but when the latest version is preinstalled, those same apps run perfectly.
30. Lauticol (Posts: 268; Member since: 25 Jun 2011)
It's because Samsung releases 4687647867867860178 mid-to-low-range Galaxy phones a year. They are new, they have at least 4.2!
22. checkmymike (Posts: 140; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
Now we know what the tradeoff is. This explains why tizen's launch was moved, or even permanently stopped. This explains why the magazine ux (which, by the way, looks amazing in a tablet) will be scrapped. In return, google had to let go of motorola.
27. kryme (Posts: 289; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
so wen the tab pro 8.4 coming out... i cant wait no longer and that ipad mini with retina flirting with me hard......
29. greathero1 (Posts: 553; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
I don't buy this at all. Samsung will still heavily skin their devices because that's their differentiator. Samsung can still promote Google Play services while keeping their new skin intact. This is a crock because something this big would have been apart of the announcement of the deal. For all it's glut, I think Touch Wiz is pretty good and just needs a refresh which the new UX does.
39. Taters (Posts: 5750; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
I don't buy Samsung scrapping their UI. In fact, I am not sure what both companies gain yet. I know Google makes Samsung too invested to leave android but I think they were already too invested before the merger. It seems like no one gains anything besides shared patents.
41. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Doesnt make a diff... i buy Sony phones only. Tablets i dont need .. a phone and a laptop is what suits me best.
42. Avenger827 (Posts: 46; Member since: 19 Jan 2014)
If the Tizen phones come with android app support samsung's cool/useless extra features good hw quality like most samsung phones, no one would buy android phones anymore, :D android would crash on it's ass.
46. BooBooooooo (Posts: 56; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)
I really love Magazine ux.... please think again, Samsung