Punch Club finds out most gamers pirated its game: 90% of mobile pirates were on Android
1. gaming64 (Posts: 234; Member since: 22 Mar 2016)
Minecraft PE is obviously the most pirated mobile game ever.
2. Tziggy14 (Posts: 441; Member since: 02 Sep 2014)
No surprise there. Android is like Windows, you don't necesarrily need to go to the official software stores to download and get the programs running. i downloaded Sonic CD for off of an unknown website years back.
7. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Apparently iOS can do the same. I never looked into pirating anything. If I can't afford it - I don't steal. But go ahead and be proud of that....
35. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I won't lie. When I first got an iPhone and I jailbroke it, I did it to steal apps. But my stealing is I wanted the chance to simply try them first. Because I bought at the time a lot of apps that after I bought them turned out to be garbage and I couldn't get a refund on them.
Once I tried them and liked them, then I removed them and paid for them with no issue. If I didn't like them I removed them, after all I only had 16GB of space and I dont need something I'm not going to use hogging my space.
This is why Google is better. You buy an app, you have a time to return them and get a refund and they automatically are removed. That's a much better than Apple model.
As far as stealing. People steal. Cracking someone because they took something, so what. It's them not you.
I wouldn't even say anything to discourage them from doing such because nothing you say will change such a person. You may as well encourage them to keep stealing. After all they aren't going to stop.
After all, why should they? If the develper is not smart enough to put some type of theft deterrent in their app, why should we feel sorry for them if it gets stolen?
Stealing is wrong. But some people don't see taking apps as stealing because usually music and apps are sold by the millions and more people usually pay vs steal and thus the creators don't lose any money. They just don't make as much as they potentially could.
Even with deterrents as we have seen with PC games and operating system like Windows, is a determined thief is still goign to steal. Windows XP was the highly most stolen version of Windows period. With most stolen copies where? CHINA AND BRAZIL.
I'm not saying it's right, just saying it is up to the developer to be smarter than the crook. Its not hard to do.
If you don't want an app stolen you make the game free to a point which lets people try and get hooked. Then make it so they have to pay for extras or to move forward. If they like the game and want to keep going, they have no choice but to pay or they won't get to play. If the person never buys, you lost nothing. They only get to play a very small part of the game, or only have access to certain features without paying.
46. Konsento (Posts: 109; Member since: 10 Apr 2015)
"If the develper is not smart enough to put some type of theft deterrent in their app, why should we feel sorry for them if it gets stolen?"
What the heck? Why is it the developer's responsibility to prevent theft? Isn't that the people doing it?
48. ibend (Posts: 3554; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
dev can try to prevent pirating, and most of dev already do that, but it'll just delay those cracker from pirating it, it'll still pirated sooner or later
54. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
No no, a convenience store should just leave that safe open, should just leave money lying on the counter, should just leave the doors unlocked so people can come and go as they please with no one there. No body will steal that stuff, right?
55. elitewolverine (Posts: 5093; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
No, the devs trust the google store to keep pirates at bay. But like the open ended android it is. Basically it is a fat asleep guard, who hands out the keys.
Come on, 300k legal downloads vs 1.3million pirates...
56. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
Right, because that's the issue, how longs it been since you've pulled your head out for air?
3. bubbadoes (Posts: 815; Member since: 03 May 2012)
the joys of android...pirated apps, and one os update phones!
49. ibend (Posts: 3554; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
and its not just pirated game, some even come with unlimited digital currency , or unlock everything mod, now you can fully enjoy all feature on those game
4. artificialintelligence (Posts: 151; Member since: 05 Dec 2015)
There is nothing wrong with pirating sure it's kills the developers in sales but not everyone can afford games especially in different countries think of it like robing hood I fully support pirating
5. gaming64 (Posts: 234; Member since: 22 Mar 2016)
The world was never perfect in the first place. Commiting piracy is actually a crime really but since 1/4 of the world's population is doing it at the moment, you may as well not give a darn.
6. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You get the biggest F.U.!!! If everyone paid for games legitimately, IAPs would have been cheap to non existent. Next time retards like you get a job, I'd like you to give that paycheck to someone else - you don't deserve it.
Games are not necessary for life. If your hungry or your kids are hungry I can support stealing food when you have no choice, but games are not necessary to survive and it's someone's paycheck you're stealing.
90% android users make me sick!!!!
13. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I don't care how you feel about this, developing software, marketing, overhead costs, need to be compensated. What if all developers just say ef-it, and stop developing for android because of mentality like @artificial. And apparently 90% of android users are the same. Android may have the same fate as Windows MP - as anyone that wants to try Windows and why they're not - everytime it will be "lack of apps". You can have all the customization and formed out android versions you want - without apps it's all crap.
To: artificialintelegence - you keep LOL-ing... imagine one day, after receiving your paycheck in the mail - it's like only $20 instead of $200? And you need that money to pay for bills, food, and gas. Now that's how this developer is feeling - they got to pay for employees, insurance, leasing office, equipment that they bought on credit. And you're Just like "LOL".
Enjoy that game, woohoo u saved 99 cents.
21. rick_mobile (Posts: 217; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)
oh please shut up, half the apps in the app store are copies of eachother. When I was developing for iOS you could have the same exact structure and same function in an app, just change the sprites, colors, name, then submit it as a new app and apple would most of the time accept it. The same goes for games and any other tool app.
29. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Yes, you're right... So it's ok to pirate apps if the app is bad. /s. What are you implying? Just becaus the app is cheap it's ok to steal?
Did you consider the fact that maybe devs don't want to put any effort sometimes because idiots pirate a 99 cent apps - making it not even worth the effort to be original. This is a problem and android is responsible for 90% of it (give or take)
38. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Android is not responsible for the behavior of people, no more then any other OEM is.
The devis steal apps too. As the guy above you said, you could take their app and simply make changes and present it and it would get accepted.
Dude people are going to steal. It is not a Google jobs to protect the stuff devs sell.
It's like you're saying it's a stores responsibility to make sure shoppers don't come in to poison items in the store.
After all how would you know if someone had Anthrax on their hands and go touching fresh food? If it happens is it the stores fault?
You can't protect yourself against certain types of people no matter what. Apple.cllsed platform doesn't present tbeft, it deters it. Your saying it's Google job whom is providing a free software needs to also protect the development against theft?
The only protection against theft is equal to the same protection you need if you don't want kids. If you don't put an app it won't get stolen. If you put it free with limited usage, either a person who wants it will buy it or they won't and thus they only have a trial.
App.theft is not easy to prevent, but if you don't do anything to make it harder to steal, assuming it's gonna get stolen anyways, then why even spend the time and effort to make it in the first place
OEMS makes phones out of cheap fragile materials, it's not their job to make you buy a case and if you drop your phone you can't blame them because they made a fragile phone in the first place.
It is not a companies job to take responsibility for people actions.
Insurance companies are in business to make money off the fact people usually arent. They aren't here to make you be responsible, that's your job. It's not a Google job to prevent app theft.
Android is free. When you make apps.for it, you assume some risk. The main one being theft. You as the developer took the time to make it, why can't you take the time to protect it?
Sorry you blaming Google makes your thought of who's responsible flawed.
52. Cicero (Posts: 856; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)
Do you say that the app is bad and it is pirated too?
36. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Here is how I see it. Lets say a dev makes a game which took him maybe a year to make. Lets say he sells his game for 99 cents and he sells 5M copies and maybe 1M get stolen. he made $5M minus taxes for one year of work. Wouldn't you say he was well compensated?
He only made the app once. What exactly is his overhead? Many apps in the app store are ripoffs. Which means, most devs simply downloaded someone elses work, took the package opened it in the SDK made changes and posted it as their own.
How much money shoudl a dev who stole someone elses idea make in the first place? I say not a penny. Theft is wrong no matter the reaosns or circumsatnces.
But get over it it happens. If devs want to actually prevent theft there is a simple easy way.
Make the game free. Allow the user to play the game either with a timer or the game goes to a point and stops and then you have to buy it officially to keep going. Once they pay, the game should download what is left and be tied to that users device.
Because here is what you're missing. If I own several devices or dont own them. As long as a device has access to my account, I can download the game to several devices. Even though so many is allowed on IOS for example, I've never had any issue downloading a game I purchased to more than 5 devices.
Apple has a terruible app store policy. All games an apps should be free to try for 24 hours. After that you shouild be required to pay for the app is removed automatically. Google allows you to try an app and then if you dont like it you can return for a full refund. They allow more than enough time for you to spend 5 mins or so and se if its work what is being asked.
Most apps on IOS no matter how good they may look, most of them suck and I lost a lot of money buying an app that made lots of false or half-ass claims.
I've temporarily stolen an app to try it. If I dont like it I remove it. After all why keep what I dont like? If I like it I go and buy it so I can have the most recent version available.
So I sole it first, only to buy it later. What crime did I commit? Teh dev still got his money. Now everyone doesnt do this. Usually more peopel buy vs steal. This time it wasnt the case. Hwoever if 500,000 peopel bought the app, he mae more money off one app hem the vast majority of the peopel in the world will make workign everyday until they die.
I'd say he was well compensated. Stealing is wrong. But so is greed.
If I reposted an app to the app store, I would let it cost until I get what i think is fair. If I made $1M off a single app, I would make it free later or free to a point with an extra in-app purchase to keep going.
43. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You make many good points - i'll give you that... but it's irrelevant what the app developer makes and it's not YOUR decision whether he made enough... when you pirate, you steal. Android users are responsible for most of it because Android makes it easy to do so. You're right - it's not google's problem to make android unsusceptible to pirating - nerds will still figure it out (just like they do on iOS).... but the particular thing about it is - from those that do this s**t - it's 90% Android users. My point: this really paints a horrible picture of Android users, not all, but look at the stats.
Please understand - this is not only this game - this is the horrible reality for many developers on android ecosystem. About a year ago, my sister's boyfriend showed me an app that costs upwards of about $200 (medical human biology something rather) and he was so proud that he got it for free on his Samsung. The app was incredible and breaks down entire human body visually to the smallest detail... Had a detailed overview of the nervous system which impressed me, among other things. The thing was awesome. How many of this app do you think developer sold? My guess, very limited since it's a $200 app. But android boys are getting it for free either for college - which is what he was doing, or personal research or self diagnosis...
Bro, that is wrong! You can make your apps as expensive and as free as you want - that is your decision. It is not your decision however, to contemplate whether the developer had enough revenue...
Thanks for the post, I read this one.... cheers..
23. TerryTerius (Posts: 1554; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
Just to be clear, there's a difference between saying 90% of Android users are thieves, and 90% of the people that have downloaded this game pirated it. There are a billion and a half Android users. I seriously doubt 1,350,000,000 are thieves.
26. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I knew someone will catch that. Good job. But this is only one example - you don't think other popular apps get pirated on android just the same?
Overall 90% of users that pirated this app are android - it is very conceivable that this is pretty much average throughout the google play store. Even on PA, one of the biggest "features" of android that everyone brags about is the ability to pirate apps... People that care about pirating apps do not buy iOS products - this they all consolidate in android.
39. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
That false. In usually would try the app on Android and then buy it for its
Because I know it will be better on IOS.
But you claim that 90% of Android users are thieves is crappie and you know it.
You are assuming because it's easier to steal on Amdroid, that more people will do it is not enough true or false.
The only reason iOS of has about a million jailbreakers, is because it's to much work and it's not for everyone. I got tired of doing it. It always ruined the device experience anyways.
I would say 90% of the apps on Android are all free. So the ones that are being stolen must be really good. So the fact most Android apps are free in the first place, that means the ones that being stolen are very few far and between.
So again you would be wrong. IOS would actually promote more theft because the apps tend to be better. Apple knows it can't make money without providing protection. So it provided protection by forcing you to pay for a app and not needing trial versions.
If it was equally as easily to sideboard apps on iOS, the devastating wouldn't make any money especially if jailbreaking was easier.
27. willard12 (Posts: 1530; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
You're a real genius. An OS accounts 90% of pirates for one game. That in no way means 90% of android users are pirating. Let me make it even easier for you. 84% of the world's smartphone users are on Android. All things being equal, 84% of the pirates should come from Android. At 90%, android only slightly breaks the curve. You make good points on piracy then you have to go and ruin it with your Android bashing. 100% of idiots make me sick.
But guess what else hurts people's income.....price fixing. And after 4 years of APPEALS, it took the Supreme Court to slap down Apple. Yet, you continue to support them. Inconsistent outrage.
30. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Because paying an extra $2 for a book really does not affect me!!!
28. avalon2105 (Posts: 235; Member since: 12 Jul 2014)
You are making same mistake as every f**kin' developer around. Look at the numbers posted and you will realize that best legal to illegal ratio is in rich countries (no wonder) like Germany and US. You can't expect people that make 10 times less than someone in Germany or US to pay the same price for software.
If they "localized" the prices first this wouldn't be an issue.
iOS is better in this regard because of their "locked garden" approach and significant market share only in rich countries. Even in generally poor countries small number of rich people will go for Apple products and be able to afford to pay more for software.
And your analogy that stealing software is same as stealing physical objects is wrong and stupid.
32. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
My analogy that getting something for free while someone else worked their time and effort to make it is stealing. Developers don't work countless hours to sell one app once - they hope to regain the costs and make profit by selling hundreds or thousands copies.
This developer is an example - they would otherwise have made 50% more with this app, but YOU decided that their efforts aren't worth it and take it for free - imagine you made a great invention spend 5 thousand dollars at a Possibility make 10 times that = $50,000. But people just used your idea and profited from it themselves and you only made 10% of what you should have capitalized on - leaving you $5000. You also have to pay your workers, pay the bills, and the rent for your shop. How would you feel?
I dot care if it's iOS or android users - this is WRONG!!! The fact that I'm arguing with you about this - tells me who I'm dealing with here. I don't care if you can't afford a video game because you live in poor country - it doesn't give you the right to just take it because it's possible. And don't give me that BS that this is coming from mostly poor countries either - all of you fandroids are bragging about ability to pirate on android - all of you. Making apps isn't a hobby - it's a business - you put in time to make money, but people are willing to use your time and not pay for it.
You are despicable to argue against this.
37. avalon2105 (Posts: 235; Member since: 12 Jul 2014)
I intended this to be a conversation and not a fight so you don't need to respond with combative tone.
Developer is at best losing potential sales since there is no way to prove those pirates would actually buy the game. Likewise, when somebody cracks the game once it doesn't put any further strain on the developer since it's not using their servers or bandwidth for hosting or downloading.
You also assume that I downloaded the pirated version of this game without any proof or reasonable doubt that I did it. I don't have any pirated games or other apps on my phone. I use free software exclusively.
And as a further possibility you refuse to accept that someone is downloading pirated version for a "test run" before committing to purchase. Like I said in my first comment piracy is higher in poor countries/regions/cities/etc so people want to be damn sure they like the app or that it can run smoothly on their hardware before purchasing.
I currently have 74 games in my Steam library and I played pirated version of 65+ of them before purchasing. Rest were included in bundles I bought for some (pirate tested) games.
Those developers would never see a 0,01$ of my money without pirating. Maybe 5 or 10% of those 1,137 million people will actually like the game and buy it. Even 1% would be 11370 new sales.
51. Ankit_27 (Posts: 20; Member since: 20 Feb 2016)
The people who can't pay for games or movies are also humans. They watch and play them for the same reasons. Everyone requires entertainment in life. It's just that they don't have money to pay for them. If they don't watch movies and play games they won't die, but it will drastically reduce their quality of life.
57. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Wow, that's a stretch. Quality of life actually improves when you stop watching TV and put down video games. Stop justifying this - just because it's easy doesn't make it ok for you to take something that you should pay for. You're not entitled to someone else's property.
20. Wiencon (Posts: 1785; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
As a programmer and amateur musician: F.ck you
22. Jason2k13 (Posts: 1151; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
So you're saying we should steal things that we don't don't need? I hope you don't have children, because they can't eat games.
10. cc2400 (Posts: 39; Member since: 21 Aug 2014)
Brazil. gee, what a shocker. That place is a corrupt, dirty, immoral 3rd world country. Their olympics will be an abomination and laughing stock of just how pathetic that country is. It doesn't surprise me how there are so many damn pirates from that gutter or a country.
11. Donbenie (Posts: 207; Member since: 04 Aug 2013)
You sounds like a typical ignorant American,am sure you believe Africa is a country..
12. Donbenie (Posts: 207; Member since: 04 Aug 2013)
You sound like a typical ignorant American,am sure you believe Africa is a country..
17. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Your 2G connection caused you to double post lol
40. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Nice comback. I was thinking he's in a 56k modem at best. Lol
15. bucky (Posts: 2461; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
This only hurts Android in the long run. This wont be a popular comment but its quite evident on many apps that more time and care was spent on the ios version vs the android version- this probably has something to do with it.
16. MadTurbo (Posts: 1; Member since: 22 Mar 2016)
So, localize your game for Western markets... EXCEPT Portugal ;)
Jokes aside, he didn't tell the whole story: how many sales there were in Brazil before he localized the game, and how many after?
Not localizing you're just cutting your profits: If, after localizing, your game passes from 100 to 10.000 paid copies, you sold 9.900 copies you would haven't sold otherwise. Doesn't matter if at the same time pirated copies go from 100 to 5.000.000, because those people downloaded the game just because it's free, they wouldn't have bought it anyway.
18. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1493; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
ThePirateBay,Probably the biggest threat to all Devs. Even Eric Schmidt supports them lol
25. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Well it least bit wasn't the USA. China and Brazil ports end still anything that isn't nailed down.
Should we be surprised?
China the leading pirates of Windows for years why should they chance? After all 90% of the population don't make good money.
China is a 1st world country with 3rd world problems because of a crooked a government
31. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8511; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
The easiest way to prevent games from being stolen is so simple. You make all games free and then you have in-app purchases. Either people will buy stuck and keep playing or they wont.
Example, with this game they could have simply allowed you to fight maybe 3 guys for free, then charge to get to newer fighters.
Or maybe 3 rounds would be free, and you pay for more rounds. Pay for abilities, pay for different rings, clothes, gloves, belts and more.
It's the development own fault.
I'm not saying you shouldn't charge for games. Just saying that apps are easier to pirate on iOS and even more so for Android since you don't need to jailbreak or root to sideboard apps.
These devs should no by now a hot game will get stolen more than bought.
People will always steal even if the app was 99 cents. Any price above free is too high for a person who wants it nono there way but free.
This is why I only make internal apps. I did make 2 games which I sold on both iOS and Android. The first one was pulled from Apple App Store so I moved it to Cydia. It was stolen quite a few times. Sonic pulled it made it free with in-app purchases. After that people stopped downloading it which is what I expected. The 2nd app is specific to educational facilities and I know longer offer it in any app store and sell it directly to schools. It's an app I made which allows for a student with an iOS or Android device to have their studies pushed via the app from a specific class. Originally in provided this app free to school we sold tablets directly too. But other school wanted them so I created licensing deal for them and no many schools here in a Chicago have this app. No more theft and the app is tied to an device via its IMEI number. It can't be pirated because the app require an unlock code which is based off the device ID. Also if you moved even and activated app to another device, it would stop working.
There are lots devs can to to prevent stealing. Most are just lazy.
34. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
IAPs destroy games that would otherwise be great!!! That's not a solution that's a bandaid. I hate that because of mostly android - developers are forced to build Freemium apps - just to make a buck. Thanks, but I hate IAPs
50. ibend (Posts: 3554; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
doesnt matter, game cracker and modder will find a way to unlock all locked content and give 999999999 of game's virtual currency..
the only way to prevent that is to rent some great VPS, and save all player progress and virtual currency on it, and commit all transaction they do (kinda like online games :-/ )
42. JMartin22 (Posts: 1902; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
If they would do away with side loading, this would remedy this issue. Paid apps of any kind should never be stolen. It's the reason awful, unbalanced IAPs/micro-transactions exist in nearly all AAA titles and development studios with big budgets.
44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5102; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Exactly... for some reason people are ridiculing me for saying exactly the same thing above... Pirating apps, ruins experience for everyone...
45. pupkin (Posts: 56; Member since: 04 Feb 2015)
Fan fact. Android fans did not want to pay for anything. Poor Devs.
47. vliang86 (Posts: 136; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
LOL iOS is always way better than Android when it comes to software....
53. kanagadeepan (Posts: 912; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
I never use warez or pirated sw in my Android phones / tabs...
58. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I didn't enjoy this game very much. I tried it out but refunded within the hour. There is just a total lack of control and some things are downright stupid (i.e if you do pushups you cant get your character to stop, he will only stop when he is hungry or tired, and when you do one exercise for too long the gains from it get lower and lower).