Processor on next Apple iPhone to be produced via Samsung's 32nm process?
While the media was calling the new A5 a single core application processor, the x-rays revealed that the A5 in the third generation of Apple TV is actually made with dual-cores. But how could this be, you ask? Even Apple's specs sheet lists Apple TV 3 as being powered by a single core application processor. The answer is that either Apple is using just one of the two cores, or it is binning one of them. This is a process used when a initial runs of a new process result in lower yields. The "bad core" is disabled allowing the manufacturer to increase the number of usable dies per wafer which lowers costs. The A5X chip in the new iPad had both cores enabled, of course.
Chipworks also found that Apple had used an A5 made with a different manufacturing process. Whereas the previous generation A5, part number APL0498, was manufactured using 45nm LP CMOS process, the new A5 was produced using Samsung’s new 32 nm high-k metal gate, gate first, LP CMOS process. This is APL2498. The new Samsung manufacturing technique shrinks the A5 by 41% compared to its predecessor and reduces current leakage. The question is, if Apple is using this complex technique on a product like Apple TV 3, is it just warming up for its use inside the next Apple iPhone?
Samsung has used its own high-k metal gate manufacturing process with the dual-core Cortex-A15 Exynos 5250 processor and the unnamed quad-core Cortex-A9 Exynos processor which is expected to power the Samsung Galaxy S III. Samsung, of course, has produced the other "Ax" chips used in the 3 other versions, so the Korean based manufacturer should be coming right back with the production of the A6, or whatever Apple decides to call the next-gen processor.
source: Chipworks via MobileSyrup
1. _PHug_ (Posts: 421; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)
"Processor on next Apple iPhone to be produced via Samsung's 32nm process?"
Then Apple obtains a patent for Samsung's process and sues
32. cheetah2k (Posts: 1116; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
How can Apple get their hands on the patents for Samsung's processes, when Samsung already owns them????
More importantly, Samsung licences the architecture of these ARM cpu's from ARM..
So in reality what can Apple actually do? - That's right, nothing.
In any case, Apple is at the mercy of chip manufacturers, and unless they buy one like TSMC, they always will be.
41. solidsnakeduds013 (Posts: 218; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)
I think he was just trying to make a joke
35. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
not really… samsung is smart-- they wont let feuds like android vs ios to get in the way of their deals with apple… and apple knows samsung can provide them with high quality goods… neither one wants to get rid of their relationship in this respect-- they both benefit
2. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Apple these days would have little to no technological advances in its products if it weren't for dealings with Samsungs. Its making even more and more sense to see why Samsung own galaxy s phones keep winning phone of the year awards.
33. cheetah2k (Posts: 1116; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
You're probably an icrap fan, but your icrap has samsuck inside so go samsuck your icrap till your ipop falls off hahaha
42. solidsnakeduds013 (Posts: 218; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)
38. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Eaxvac go marvel at your 'resolutionary' ipad screen,made by Samsung
39. TROLL.IS.AHA (banned) (Posts: 58; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Lol iPan. Uve been drinking to much iJuice....
3. Ksupowercat13 (Posts: 15; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
All I have to say is if Apple decides to use a dual core processor in the next iPhone that will be upsetting. I used to be an Android fan until I finally decided to give the iPhone 4s a try. Yeah, you can't customize widgets or anything but Apple's stability compared to Androids is 10x better. I still consider myself an Android guy, and I am simply trying out the iPhone and right now i do like it better. It will just be upsetting to see that all these new android phones will be coming out with quadcore processors, while the "iPhone 5" will only support a dual core with quadcore graphics. Maybe I just don't exactly know what that means...
6. Croxy (Posts: 55; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
Number of cores isn't the only factor in the quality of the processors.
Compare Qualcoms snapdragon S4 and nVidias Tegra 3...
9. Ksupowercat13 (Posts: 15; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
yeah i get that but would you rather have a dualcore or a quadcore?
13. Croxy (Posts: 55; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
I'm not a big expert at this: It depends on lots of things. architecture, the nanometers and that kind of s**t that I don't have a clue about.:D
Of course I would prefer an n-core before an n-core processor ONLY IF it truly had better performances.
I've gotten an impression that you were a kind of guy who would brag about his phone only because of the number of cores.
19. CléonLeGrand (Posts: 3; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)
A x86 dual-core and a Cortex-A9 Octo-core, what would you prefer ?
25. hung2900 (Posts: 881; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Quadcore is BS for iOS. because it doesn't have the true multi-tasking, 2 threads only are enough. That's a advantage, and also the limit of ios.
Android is f**king sluggy compared to ios, but it was the past. When the CPU is more and more powerful, it'll smooth like iOS but much faster and you can see a true multitasking device.
27. tedkord (Posts: 7199; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Android's already ad smooth as iOS. Has been since Gingerbread. The only reason it used to lag was the multitasking - it does more at once than iOS. But, hardware has caught up. My Thunderbolt, with Eternity r248, which has gingerbread on a single core 1.4ghz snapdragon is buttery smooth, no lag even with 4 or 5 concurrent apps running. Blame Verizon for its out of the box performance - they ruin every phone they release.
With ics, Android is every bit as smooth as iOS, while being more powerful. It comes down to individual preference, there's no performance reason to choose one or the other.
28. BattleBrat (Posts: 1266; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I'll admit, I tried the 4s as well, and the POS wouldn't last 12 hours on iOS 5.1, my RAZR lasts at LEAST 48 hours, and has never crashed on me, it has been perfect. I do plan on buying the iPhone 5, but to use it as a glorified iPod Touch, they keep throwing us iTouch users under the bus.
29. ph00ny (Posts: 720; Member since: 26 May 2011)
i guess you haven't used an iOS device
I'm not saying it doesn't lag or anything because it does but the main reason why iOS devices are smoother in day to day operation is due to the hardware acceleration which GB doesn't have(outside of samsung's TW4.0)
That's the beauty of ICS (btw nexus also lags occasionally)
As for the performance reason to choose one over the other, there is a damn good reason.
45. setspeed (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Apr 2012)
As smooth as iOS since Gingerbread? Come on, don't be silly! I'm a huge Android fan, but this is just rubbish. ICS is now only just APPROACHING the smoothness of iOS, and that's with kickass hardware. And the lag is still present in some areas.
Sorry, but iOS (and WP) are the smoothest around. Android wins in other areas, but being the smoothest is not one (yet).
4. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Now I see why Apple sues alot... they pay good money for their napkins designs only to have manufacturers steal their ideas and turn profit... samsung is the best at manufacturing chips thats why Apple looks for them, but to produce similar products as your main buyer...
7. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
come on are you saying they copied the idea of a slab of glass with bezels.
11. jove39 (Posts: 1475; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
You are real fool and ofcourse troll...anyone with little bit of usable brain...would google about chip manufacturing before posting on public forum...but thats just you...Apple/Samsung/Qualcomm/TI/Nvidia they all have licensed arm arch for use in their cpu...no one is stealing from anyone here (Its just that you are jealous)...and Samsung had 800Mhz cpu ~5 years ago in first gen wave handset...what was apple smoking then...stealing my @$$
12. jove39 (Posts: 1475; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I certainly have no problem with Apple...but some morons who use Apple gadgets!
18. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
never I mention they stole their chip.. Apple doesnt even produce chips .. you moron...
16. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7030; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
And half of their hardware is made by Samsung. their Camera is made by SONY
8. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
It is assonance not alliteration. Alliteration is with consonant sounds and assonance is with vowels.
44. pbui.818 (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
Actually, he's right and you're right on one count but not entirely so on the second.
Alliteration is the same sound.
Assonance is the same vowel sound.
Consonance is the same consonant sound.
Alliteration is the general term while each of the others is a more specific case.
10. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Hey iFans Its after all Samsung Inside! :D
23. TROLL.IS.AHA (banned) (Posts: 58; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
Kinda true. Uve got a point.
36. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
yeah samsung always make sure they would make the best chips for apple, otherwise... they lose the contract and a huge amount of money. both companies benefits on that way. fandroid are saying as if apple doesn't pay what they ask samsung tomake for them!
15. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7030; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
If i was Samsung I would stop selling processors to APPLE UNTIL THEY STOP THE LAW SUIT. They can make their own chip or find someone else to build it for them
37. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
yes samsung can actually deny apple for making their chips. however it's huge amount of money to ignore. exynos chips sold millions on sgs2 etc but you can't deny A4, A5, A5X on apple products sold way more anything samsung made.
26. VJo003 (Posts: 349; Member since: 11 Mar 2012)
In business u never wipe out competition
You just milk it till it runs dry
So am sure Samsung would not be minding apple's dependencies
40. gotti88 (Posts: 101; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
hey sammy im going to sue you again but after i get u to make my processor. apple sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
46. Adolfo123 (Posts: 1; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
.The tecknological jungle of patents and corporations is driving me crazy...but even so long live to honorable Capitalism and down with the misery bound Socialism where Obama wants lead this country...