Nvidia shows off Tegra 5 running Battlefield, bashes iPad for its “vintage 1999” graphics
Huang went back and forth between the upcoming Tegra 5 and the latest iPad’s A6X chip which right now has the best graphics in an ARM-based mobile device that we know of. The difference was staggering and enough for Huang to bash it for having “vintage 1999” graphics.
The Kepler graphics support DirectX 11 and handled themselves very well with high-dynamic range lighting and active shadows in the Battlefield demo.
“We want to get multiple years ahead of the competition,” Huang said. “It was worth the sacrifice.”
Let’s remember, though, that there is still a year until the Nvidia Tegra 5 arrives as even the first Tegra 4-based devices are not out yet. But if we get to play Battlefield and games alike, the patience would definitely be hugely rewarded.
source: Nvidia via Venture Beat
1. baldilocks (Posts: 542; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
2015 isn't now. I'm sure the competition will be pretty much at the same point by then.
2. cyko969 (Posts: 49; Member since: 23 Mar 2010)
that or have something even more powerful by then ... my guess is this is probably for windows and android based tablets
4. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Yeah maybe, but then again maybe not. At least in the realm of the GPU, it's NVIDIA's specialty. They might not compete with the sheer processing power of Atoms at the point of it's release, but could very well be the crowned mobile GPU king.
Qualcomm bought Adreno from AMD, but some of the main talent already left the company to create their own company where they license GPU technology kind of like Imagination Technologies.
It seems to me their main rivals will be Imagination Tech and this new startup from ex-Qualcomm employees. If they can stay ahead, they can claim the crown for at least best GPU tech.
5. hisaak (Posts: 19; Member since: 12 Apr 2013)
It took ages for Nvidia and ATI (now AMD) to develop their current GPU cores. If Nvidia is able to integrate them somehow into their Tegra line, nobody is able to keep their pace.
18. downphoenix (Posts: 2415; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Not necessarily true. PowerVR is the company that makes the Iphone/Ipad GPUs and when the Sega Dreamcast came out, it had a PowerVR GPU that was literally more powerful than what PCs had at the time (bare in mind, although we got the Dreamcast in 1999, it came out in . Of course, PowerVR dropped off from the desktop market after a while and got a resurgence in the mobile market these past few years. They may not have the history that nvidia does, but they have more experience in the mobile field.
3. roscuthiii (Posts: 1873; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Great news for the Nvidia Tegra 5 and all, but I don't know... I just don't really plan on doing any kind of serious gaming on a mobile device. At least not for the foreseeable future. I guess peripherals and accessories to make a better gaming experience could change my mind, but at that point you kind of have a console to which... I'd rather just game on a console. I'm fine with vintage 1999 graphics, for now at least.
With Sony and Microsoft seemingly pushing for a world of always-online console gaming... I could probably be swayed to game on a mobile device however if it were taken into consideration that people want to play but may not always have access to a network.
Wouldn't that be some Bizarro world - if LTE/WiFi devices are the only way to have offline play?
6. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
In 2 years, we could be able to buy a phone with 1TFLOP or more GPU..in 3 years, they should surpass the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4.
8. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
really.......you do know that microsoft and sony's game consoles will always be better for gaming and ahead
you keep trying to insist they will be left in the past but its bs
10. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Why, another reading lesson for you!
I was referring to the processing ability.
Purely technical standpoint.
Coming from the fact that Imagination Technologies already announced the series 6 PowerVR GPUs with "over 1TFLOPS" for the highest performing version, and since the upcoming consoles will be able to reach about 1.8TFLOPS
9. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Don't be stupid. The Tegra 4, which isn't even out yet by the way, comes out at around 80. PS4 is at 1800.
They'll be passing the last-gen console's power in the near future since they were rated around 200 gflops, but PS4/XBOX(3)?
11. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Tegra 5 will go over 200 TFLOPS early next year.. and 3 years is a world changing time in mobile tech world.
Besides, like I said the IT's series 7 (3-4years from now))is what you should look ahead for.. they are the leaders in the mobile GPU space.
27. faisolbauuz (Posts: 121; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)
200TFLOPS ? You mean 200GFLOPS ? Even the gtx titan doesnt reach 10TFLOPS you know
28. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Of course, that's what I meant.
You can see in my previous comment that I know what a TFLOPS is :p.. (a thousand billion(tera) floating operations per second )
7. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
By the way, the iPad demo was a bad bad joke.
It is capable of a far and beyond better graphics than that.
Hell, even my S3 with 5times weaker GPU than iPad 4 can run Epic citadel (a FAR better demo that the shown one) at 40-50fps
Really lame, unprofessional iPad bashing there.
26. vincelongman (Posts: 1692; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
To be honest the graphics on my iPod Touch 4 (has A4 cpu) looks slightly better than that iPad demo. My sure today's tablets and phones must have far better graphic than my old iPod.
12. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5646; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
lol, what a dumb comparison. Imagination Technologies isn't exactly sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for something like this to pass them up. they're doing the work it takes to KEEP their lead with the SGX Rogue.
14. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
How about skip the tegra 4 and give the tegra 5 now that way in 2015 the tegra 7 = beyond anything out there at release
15. plattinum706 (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 Nov 2012)
Nvidia is so dumb at marketing. Why would anyone get the Tegra 4 when they are flaunting the Tegra 5. Now the competition has a clear picture of what Nvidia is bringing in 2015 and again they will be running last place.
16. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Why we are not seeing any Tegra 4 based smartphones, or even rumuor about them.......??? Tegra 4 is good processor, and even benchmarks released have shown it's might, but why manufacturers are shying away from Tegra 4......??? Is Tegra 4's battery efficiency so bad........
19. grahaman27 (Posts: 349; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
its lack of integrate LTE support of course.
20. FlushGordon (unregistered)
...sick of Nvidia's blah blah blah innovation
21. normedia1 (Posts: 4; Member since: 12 Apr 2013)
Show some respect for Nvidia. They single handled saved PC gaming and to some extent console gaming with their technology.
Look all the companies that have come and gone from the PC graphics market
S3, Matrox, Cirrus Logic, 3DFX, Matrox, Number9, Tseng Labs, Trident, Rendition. The only 2 companies to survive the 90s' and beyond were Nvidia and ATI. ATI would have gone the way of the dodo had AMD not bought them out. Nvidia started a graphics revolution with the Riva chipset which eventually evolved to TNT, TNT2 and so on. They basically CREATED the GPU as before the Geforce no graphic chipset had hardware T&L only a triangle setup engine assisting the main CPU. 3DFX was dying so they bought their assets and technology like Voodoo5's awesome rendering techniques along with SLI and the rest as they say is history.
The only thing PowerVR will be remembered for is tiled based rendering, and having to flock to the mobile scene when the Dreamcast finally died.
You cant argue with a pedigree like that. If Nvidia says they can achieve 2 teraflops of power from their next SoC, who are we to say otherwise. The other guys, ARM, PowerVR, Adreno cant touch Nvidia as far as graphics. Their technology not to mention wealth and resources are a different level.
22. FlushGordon (unregistered)
Makes you wonder why phone/tablet manufacturers are too reluctant to use their latest Tegra chip... Nvidia sucks at power effiiency...you can have all the gpu muscle in the world but it is close to being useless if it cannot utilize the provided battey properly well.
TEGRA is an overrated POS
23. stealthd (Posts: 980; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
You're comparing desktop graphics to mobile. In mobile, Nvidia has been behind in performance and features. It doesn't matter what their reputation for desktop graphics is when talking about mobile.
25. normedia1 (Posts: 4; Member since: 12 Apr 2013)
I think its safe to say we are all gamers, no? Otherwise we wouldnt care if the latest SoCs' had something as weak as S3 Virge. For the Tegra5 Nvidia will put actual Kepler cores in it and they will be unified so DX11 is a go. Now, I imagine it wont be GTX Titan but I think GT650 power isnt out of the question. Even the upcoming PowerVR 6 series will be less than Intel HD3000 power.
30. imkyle (Posts: 1023; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
The Tegra 4 isn't even released yet. Truthfully I really don't care about the Tegra 5 right now, I am curious to see the 4.
31. JojoGo101 (Posts: 211; Member since: 17 Dec 2012)
I have a GTX 660 but wow. Nvidia are stupid. There comparing a 2015 chip too a 2012 one. And look at this: You can bash iPhone and iPad all you want(I'd gladly help!) but they use the best GPUs. Android devices basically don't have the best GPU's. Nvidia, a GPU producer, should stop f'ing up mobile phones and make a GPU that can beast out Apple's chips.
32. itreday (Posts: 68; Member since: 24 May 2012)
How can you bash a product that's out now, with a product that's being released probably late 2014? By then the product your bashing will be on the same level of graphical ability if not better.
33. mikegonzalez2k (Posts: 4; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
Based on the comments lots of you don't understand how it works. They build the technlogy on larger hardware then learn to scale it down. Mobile will never be better than PC because PC hardware are always at the cutting edge of technology. That is, they stretch the limitations of performance under intensive power and heat requirements. Once they have that technology they learn how to better develop similar architecture and create mobile versions which use less power and generate less heat (ie Tegra). It's the same thing for all computer hardware.
That's why the PC realm is elite, it's always at the front of the line. Afterward companies like MS and Sony develop their consoles using existing PC hardware and try to find the best configurations. Meanwhile the mobile manufacturers like Nvida and Qualcomm try to learn ways to scale their architecture down so they can cram them into a mobile GPU.