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It's not that Snapdragon 810 overheats, Galaxy S6 might just be unleashing a chipset war with Qualcomm

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It's not that Snapdragon 810 overheats, Galaxy S6 might just be unleashing a chipset war with Qualcomm
The use of Samsung's own Exynos line of chipsets instead of Snapdragon 810 in the Galaxy S6 might not be because of the purported overheating issues the TSMC foundry allegedly has with Qualcomm's newest retail SoC, but because Samsung actually wants to go to war with the world's most famous mobile chip maker, and take it head on with its superior 14nm manufacturing process.

Exynos 7420 and Snapdragon 810 - these two chipsets are already going into flagship phones, says Korean media, citing industry sources, but Samsung is placing the Exynos in the Galaxy S6, while Qualcomm makes do with the LG G Flex 2, and the Xiaomi Mi Note for now. After mishaps with overheating Exynos 5 series, Samsung used its homebrew processor line sparingly, but is now back in full force with the Exynos 7420, that is about to go into the S6.

Regarding the differences between Snapdragon 810 and the Exynos 7-series, we'd have to wait and see exactly what modification Samsung will use for the S6, but one thing is for certain - it will be built on the superior 14nm process, whereas Qualcomm uses 20nm for the 810, and only this year will move down to 14nm. In general this means less power consumption plus smaller processor footprint and/or superior performance at comparable clock speeds, but Qualcomm has other aces up its Snapdragon chipset sleeve.

One of the advantages used to be its excellent multiband LTE modems that it paired with the Snapdragon SoCs, but now that Samsung created an LTE Cat. 9 radio of its own, that point becomes somewhat moot - more so it will be built on 20nm, whereas Qualcomm's LTE radio is still at 28nm. Granted, there won't be support for as many bands as Qualcomm does now, but that would worry only heavy globetrotters.

As for the Snapdragon 810 optimization for 4K encoding, decoding and streaming - it remains to be seen how Exynos will fare with those, though we wouldn't worry too much about it, as Samsung's chips have proven capable enough so far, and, face it, how many 4K streaming services are out there at this very moment to take full advantage of.

source: ETNews

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posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:45 8

1. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Hard to argue the point until all these specs are official.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:46 5

2. usermaxthon (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Jan 2015)


Samsung is desperate to increase it's revenue. When Qualcomm have a processor build on 14nm they're going to destroy Exynos 7420.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:50 17

5. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


You know that qualcomm doesn't manufacture fabs do you??

Qualcomm will need samsung to make their 14 nm SoCs. As TSMC is going with 16 nm.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:57 12

7. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


why do you defend Qualcomm so strongly? The only thing you can do with this much power these days is play games, the phones are already more than fast enough to do most smartphone tasks. And Qualcomm , has done nothing to help us with video games. NVIDIA has, hell even Samsung has done more, so what has Qualcomm done? Nothing! Qualcomm needs its ass kicked, then perhaps they'll do more for us as Nvidia and Samsung have.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:00 11

9. vurobega (Posts: 45; Member since: 16 Nov 2014)


when Qualcomm build first 14nm(snapdragon 820), samsung will have one step ahead with newer Exynos 7430... also recently leak reveal 820 will be made using 14nm samsung technplogy... how about that?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:36 7

15. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


When Qualcomm will have a new 14 Nm SoC Samsung wil also have a much better chip than Exynos 7420 that's why your post is nonsense.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 08:41

48. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


You're ridiculous. QC has already stated that the 820 won't be available until Q4. Considering their track record, it won't be available until 2016. Did it ever occur to you that there will be a better Exynos available at that time? No, because you're clearly shortsighted.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:48 5

3. maddy996 (Posts: 85; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)


I still prefer QUALCOMM

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:38 6

16. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Always preferred Exynos but not overrated massively advertised Snapdragons.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:31 1

20. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)


ya, i always preferred the poor optimize overheated power hungry exynos too

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:50 3

22. alex3run (Posts: 713; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Lol... It's very strange th see some words about poor optimization for Mali from Snapdragon owners. If everything is optimized for your Qualcomm so good then why does it lag? Can't explain this :D

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:05 1

33. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Qualcomm = US
Exynos = Korea
A lot of comment is not because of performance but because of country it design from. ( not even made in US , same as for Apple )

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:18

35. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Lag I need proof on that one there

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:40 1

40. xondk (Posts: 1598; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


See now, I have to ask, have you ever owned or directly compared same generation products yourself?

I have, and honestly, there is very little difference between devices released at approximately the same time (within around 3 months), sure benchmarks might say 'this' or 'that' is better, but in actuality there is no real difference.

I'd recommend instead of looking at the individual components, look at the whole product and chose the one that suits you best.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:54 8

6. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Bring it on Sammy. Let the monopoly end.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:05 2

11. vincelongman (Posts: 4576; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Agreed,
More competition = more innovation
I hope some other OEMs switch to Samsung or Nvidia as well

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:03 1

26. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2227; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


There's not a ton of innovation here. The die size shrink is as close as you get to that, and even that has already been done. Exynos 7420 and SD810 are both stock ARM A53/A57, so the design work was already done for both companies by ARMH. Only Nvidia and Apple are currently building custom silicon that's worth a damn.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 14:26

46. vincelongman (Posts: 4576; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Exactly, that's why we need competition
There's hasn't really been any competition in the past 2-3 years since Qualcomm has a monopoly over the high end

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:39

25. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 431; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


Well said.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:59 3

8. iWin_Droid (Posts: 76; Member since: 22 Jan 2015)


lol Apple's A9 chip will destroy both.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:38 6

21. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


Not in multicore score.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:29 1

27. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2227; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Apple doesn't design their chips for bleeding edge speed, so it is doubtful they ever top the benchmarks. What they do is make one of the fastest chips that does everything well. That's the point of custom silicon. They have been designing chips for a few years now, and the folks who know SoCs say that nobody else is close to having such an advanced design. There's a reason there are a bunch of threads on XDA for turning off encryption on the Nexus 6, whereas nobody even notices it on the iPhone 6/6+, and why the Nexus 6 has average battery life compared to the iPhone 6+, even though the N6 has a bigger battery.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:05 1

10. Suo.Eno (Posts: 505; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)


Not really... When did you think Samsung got their own Exynos game? Certainly not this week this year lol. It's only natural. If they got the muscle to do it then why not.

Also the headline are tad overblown. This will only become a Samsung vs. Qualcomm war after Samsung announce that Exynos will be readily available for other OEMs but to get there they'll need the production capacity that they don't have (or maybe they do) yet. Remember that the 1st time they mixed their SoC bag for Galaxies was not only about radio probs for diff regions but also because they can't rapidly put out Exynos across modeld in that short space of time.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:24 1

13. vurobega (Posts: 45; Member since: 16 Nov 2014)


samsung have the production capacity, but they got more money by produce other chipset like Apple A9 instead increase their own Exynos production...

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:23 1

12. PANIC (Posts: 127; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)


Time will show....However One thing is for sure....Competition is always in favour of the customer (Basic Rule)

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:27

14. itsjustJOH (Posts: 232; Member since: 18 Oct 2012)


So that's why those rumors are coming from Korea.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:53 3

17. Settings (Posts: 1720; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


So?

Most of the people wont notice whats under the hood. As long it gets the job done and it's "fast", average joes and janes wont care whats running their phone. Geeks and nerds are small portion of the buying consumers.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:43 1

30. chocowii (Posts: 453; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)


Just to be in contrast, Samsung could throw any SoC in the S6 and it will be slow coz Touchwiz.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:56

41. Suo.Eno (Posts: 505; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)


Not exactly black and white... e.g Apple could have just stuck with A7 which imo still a very capable piece of work that can withstand w/e that comes next actually but probably a tad s**ttier TDP than A8 now, slap another 1GB RAM in that and called that a day no? Obviously they can't and they'd run out of things to say even before the per annum presentation gets halfway. And iPhone's total demographic are the same as anyone else's.... geeks and nerds come in at best 10% tops so why they went on and did it still?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:00

18. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


well looks like Samsung did a great job starting from the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4
and i am sure we will see a massive boost in the upcoming Exynos 7420, specially if it is built with the superior 14 nm process!!
fasten your seatbelts, 2015 will be really an amazing year!!

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