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It's not that Snapdragon 810 overheats, Galaxy S6 might just be unleashing a chipset war with Qualcomm

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It's not that Snapdragon 810 overheats, Galaxy S6 might just be unleashing a chipset war with Qualcomm
The use of Samsung's own Exynos line of chipsets instead of Snapdragon 810 in the Galaxy S6 might not be because of the purported overheating issues the TSMC foundry allegedly has with Qualcomm's newest retail SoC, but because Samsung actually wants to go to war with the world's most famous mobile chip maker, and take it head on with its superior 14nm manufacturing process.

Exynos 7420 and Snapdragon 810 - these two chipsets are already going into flagship phones, says Korean media, citing industry sources, but Samsung is placing the Exynos in the Galaxy S6, while Qualcomm makes do with the LG G Flex 2, and the Xiaomi Mi Note for now. After mishaps with overheating Exynos 5 series, Samsung used its homebrew processor line sparingly, but is now back in full force with the Exynos 7420, that is about to go into the S6.

Regarding the differences between Snapdragon 810 and the Exynos 7-series, we'd have to wait and see exactly what modification Samsung will use for the S6, but one thing is for certain - it will be built on the superior 14nm process, whereas Qualcomm uses 20nm for the 810, and only this year will move down to 14nm. In general this means less power consumption plus smaller processor footprint and/or superior performance at comparable clock speeds, but Qualcomm has other aces up its Snapdragon chipset sleeve.

One of the advantages used to be its excellent multiband LTE modems that it paired with the Snapdragon SoCs, but now that Samsung created an LTE Cat. 9 radio of its own, that point becomes somewhat moot - more so it will be built on 20nm, whereas Qualcomm's LTE radio is still at 28nm. Granted, there won't be support for as many bands as Qualcomm does now, but that would worry only heavy globetrotters.

As for the Snapdragon 810 optimization for 4K encoding, decoding and streaming - it remains to be seen how Exynos will fare with those, though we wouldn't worry too much about it, as Samsung's chips have proven capable enough so far, and, face it, how many 4K streaming services are out there at this very moment to take full advantage of.

source: ETNews

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posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:45 8

1. AstronautJones (Posts: 302; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Hard to argue the point until all these specs are official.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:46 5

2. usermaxthon (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Jan 2015)


Samsung is desperate to increase it's revenue. When Qualcomm have a processor build on 14nm they're going to destroy Exynos 7420.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:50 17

5. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


You know that qualcomm doesn't manufacture fabs do you??

Qualcomm will need samsung to make their 14 nm SoCs. As TSMC is going with 16 nm.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:57 12

7. BattleBrat (Posts: 1431; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


why do you defend Qualcomm so strongly? The only thing you can do with this much power these days is play games, the phones are already more than fast enough to do most smartphone tasks. And Qualcomm , has done nothing to help us with video games. NVIDIA has, hell even Samsung has done more, so what has Qualcomm done? Nothing! Qualcomm needs its ass kicked, then perhaps they'll do more for us as Nvidia and Samsung have.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:00 11

9. vurobega (Posts: 45; Member since: 16 Nov 2014)


when Qualcomm build first 14nm(snapdragon 820), samsung will have one step ahead with newer Exynos 7430... also recently leak reveal 820 will be made using 14nm samsung technplogy... how about that?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:36 7

15. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


When Qualcomm will have a new 14 Nm SoC Samsung wil also have a much better chip than Exynos 7420 that's why your post is nonsense.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 08:41

48. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3699; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


You're ridiculous. QC has already stated that the 820 won't be available until Q4. Considering their track record, it won't be available until 2016. Did it ever occur to you that there will be a better Exynos available at that time? No, because you're clearly shortsighted.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:48 5

3. maddy996 (Posts: 81; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)


I still prefer QUALCOMM

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:38 6

16. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Always preferred Exynos but not overrated massively advertised Snapdragons.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:31 1

20. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)


ya, i always preferred the poor optimize overheated power hungry exynos too

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:50 3

22. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Lol... It's very strange th see some words about poor optimization for Mali from Snapdragon owners. If everything is optimized for your Qualcomm so good then why does it lag? Can't explain this :D

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:05 1

33. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Qualcomm = US
Exynos = Korea
A lot of comment is not because of performance but because of country it design from. ( not even made in US , same as for Apple )

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:18

35. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Lag I need proof on that one there

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:40 1

40. xondk (Posts: 1131; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


See now, I have to ask, have you ever owned or directly compared same generation products yourself?

I have, and honestly, there is very little difference between devices released at approximately the same time (within around 3 months), sure benchmarks might say 'this' or 'that' is better, but in actuality there is no real difference.

I'd recommend instead of looking at the individual components, look at the whole product and chose the one that suits you best.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:54 8

6. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3702; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Bring it on Sammy. Let the monopoly end.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:05 2

11. vincelongman (Posts: 3974; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Agreed,
More competition = more innovation
I hope some other OEMs switch to Samsung or Nvidia as well

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:03 1

26. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2075; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


There's not a ton of innovation here. The die size shrink is as close as you get to that, and even that has already been done. Exynos 7420 and SD810 are both stock ARM A53/A57, so the design work was already done for both companies by ARMH. Only Nvidia and Apple are currently building custom silicon that's worth a damn.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 14:26

46. vincelongman (Posts: 3974; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Exactly, that's why we need competition
There's hasn't really been any competition in the past 2-3 years since Qualcomm has a monopoly over the high end

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 06:39

25. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 423; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


Well said.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 03:59 3

8. iWin_Droid (Posts: 76; Member since: 22 Jan 2015)


lol Apple's A9 chip will destroy both.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:38 6

21. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


Not in multicore score.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:29 1

27. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2075; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Apple doesn't design their chips for bleeding edge speed, so it is doubtful they ever top the benchmarks. What they do is make one of the fastest chips that does everything well. That's the point of custom silicon. They have been designing chips for a few years now, and the folks who know SoCs say that nobody else is close to having such an advanced design. There's a reason there are a bunch of threads on XDA for turning off encryption on the Nexus 6, whereas nobody even notices it on the iPhone 6/6+, and why the Nexus 6 has average battery life compared to the iPhone 6+, even though the N6 has a bigger battery.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:05 1

10. Suo.Eno (Posts: 475; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)


Not really... When did you think Samsung got their own Exynos game? Certainly not this week this year lol. It's only natural. If they got the muscle to do it then why not.

Also the headline are tad overblown. This will only become a Samsung vs. Qualcomm war after Samsung announce that Exynos will be readily available for other OEMs but to get there they'll need the production capacity that they don't have (or maybe they do) yet. Remember that the 1st time they mixed their SoC bag for Galaxies was not only about radio probs for diff regions but also because they can't rapidly put out Exynos across modeld in that short space of time.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:24 1

13. vurobega (Posts: 45; Member since: 16 Nov 2014)


samsung have the production capacity, but they got more money by produce other chipset like Apple A9 instead increase their own Exynos production...

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:23 1

12. PANIC (Posts: 125; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)


Time will show....However One thing is for sure....Competition is always in favour of the customer (Basic Rule)

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:27

14. itsjustJOH (Posts: 231; Member since: 18 Oct 2012)


So that's why those rumors are coming from Korea.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 04:53 3

17. Settings (Posts: 1448; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


So?

Most of the people wont notice whats under the hood. As long it gets the job done and it's "fast", average joes and janes wont care whats running their phone. Geeks and nerds are small portion of the buying consumers.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:43 1

30. chocowii (Posts: 432; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)


Just to be in contrast, Samsung could throw any SoC in the S6 and it will be slow coz Touchwiz.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:56

41. Suo.Eno (Posts: 475; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)


Not exactly black and white... e.g Apple could have just stuck with A7 which imo still a very capable piece of work that can withstand w/e that comes next actually but probably a tad s**ttier TDP than A8 now, slap another 1GB RAM in that and called that a day no? Obviously they can't and they'd run out of things to say even before the per annum presentation gets halfway. And iPhone's total demographic are the same as anyone else's.... geeks and nerds come in at best 10% tops so why they went on and did it still?

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:00

18. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


well looks like Samsung did a great job starting from the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4
and i am sure we will see a massive boost in the upcoming Exynos 7420, specially if it is built with the superior 14 nm process!!
fasten your seatbelts, 2015 will be really an amazing year!!

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:18 1

19. AsimSiddiq (Posts: 52; Member since: 20 Jan 2015)


Don't worry Qualcomm will always be the leaders, who needs Samsung, one of the most overrated companes on earth, the s820 will be too powerful for anything Samsung can make, I shall be deciding on whether to use the s810 or s820, sorry exynos chips are second rate, full stop.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:53 1

23. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Qualcomm fanboy? :D You haven't even seen Snapdragon 820 in action. It will be funny if new Taipan supercores will loose once again compared to ARM Cortex cores.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:20

36. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


The krait core is better then the A15. The Krauthammer is slightly weaker but but better in the battery to power ratio and in mobile that is the most important. You are an idiot

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 10:04

42. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Have I offended you by something? You're just childish.

Cortex A15 r3p3 is better in both performance and power consumption.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 11:02

43. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


You offended very one by being so dumb. The reason why arm has the big.little configuration is because the A15 has horrible power consumption. That is a fact.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 12:34

45. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Nah. You call me dump despite being incompetent in the field of mobile sustems on a crystall. When switching cores in ASMP architecture CPU cores actually spend some time doing nothing which causes freezes and lags. Big.little architecture hasn't got this disadvantage that's why it is widely used now by almost every mobile SoC maker.

And not to mention about the fact that in HMP mode efficient "little" cores help the whole SoC to reach maximum performance per Watt => maximum performance before thermal throttling starts.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 05:53 1

24. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


yeah i like the QC chips, but they are too lazy
remember when was the S810 and S808 were announced ?
and now they are still going to be released....
so expect S820 to be released at Q1/2 2016 not late 2015

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 08:47

49. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3699; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


This. QC is quickly falling behind. They can't keep up with their own schedules & time frames & as a result, they will be left in the dust unless they can get their act together. +1

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:59

32. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


My prediction, is you're going to be annoyed all year by how things are going to pan out for Qualcomm..Even Intel has stumbled.
QC has mud on its face still, hasn't admitted they fell, so they won't wash mud off yet.
Only blind can't see that.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:37

28. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Seems out of place now that LG is considering suing over this Samsung created rumor.

Writing is on wall, word is out that QC fooked up this year an its either reduced performance or go with better soc, Grats Samsung.

I'm not a fan by Anny means, but I give Samsung a gold star for not kissing QC back end an pishing through with faulty wares.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:57 2

37. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


The 810 100% as problems, just going by the m9 and lg phones geekbenth scores so Samsung are right to say they got problmes, that or the cpu is crap

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 11:04

44. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


There is no geekbench score for the M9. The only score for the S810 is from a reference device that have a 4k screen.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:39

29. seven7dust (unregistered)


Funny how people feel so strongly about processors but forget whats importatnt are the softaware optimizations , APIs like metal mean iPhone will always run games better for the near future ,google hasnt figured out app development yet, processors can only take you so far

All the games come to iPhone first , android later.
for example infinity blade 1/2 or 3 with the famous unreal engine are still not available on android.
street fighter iv my favorite game on iO.S is not avaible as well

I prefer exynos over snapdragons for its audio capabilities and javascript performance.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 07:55

31. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


So I was playing portal an Half Life on my Android thinking about your post.

That's not ability, that's financially driven.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:59

38. j2001m (Posts: 2755; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


I think you find Apple pay infinity blade not to show up, the payment I be thinking was live on stage as 5s was on show

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 08:10

34. a_tumiwa (Posts: 373; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Qualcomm+TSMC vs Samsung+Apple vs MediaTek vs Nvidia

and the winner is....

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 09:20 1

39. tokuzumi (Posts: 877; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)


First MediaTek, and now Samsung? Looks like the chip market is the next frontier.

posted on 27 Jan 2015, 20:52

47. DnB925Art (Posts: 919; Member since: 23 May 2013)


Give me the Exynos as it was the superior Wolfson DAC. I still keep my old Note 2, Nexus S 4G and Epic 4G around because of the DAC.

posted on 28 Jan 2015, 22:44

50. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


14nm > 20nm given both chipsets are virtually the same. Both are stock ARM off-the-shelf 4x A53, 4x A57 configuration.

Qualcomm has a slight edge in GPU's, as if that matters. The only reason GPU's are even getting better right now is the needless resolution of new flagships. Game titles are laughably within the capabilities of all flagship GPU's at 1080P. Its a meaningless advantage. And trying to play this angle in marketing is going to fail miserably.

Samsung actually has an advantage with 14nm if their fabs can keep up with demand.

posted on 29 Jan 2015, 10:07 1

51. Somebody995 (Posts: 33; Member since: 28 Jan 2015)


I see a lot of misinformation and assumption in the comments here. Lets see if I can clear it out a bit....

First off, the Snapdragon 810 is a BONE STOCK ARM Cortex-A53/57 BIG.little design. This is basically the same as the Exynos that Samsung is using. The major thing to think about here, is why would Samsung use a competitor's SoC when they can make the same thing themselves? That is why Samsung is using Exynos.

Now some of you are going to argue that they could and have use Qualcomm SoC's in the past when they could make their own... the answer to that is NOT REALLY. Remember that in the past Qualcomm SoC's that Samsung used, you would find things like the Qualcomm Krait CPU cores. Not just reference Cortex-A9/15's. The Krait cores accomplish a lot more work per clock than Cortex-A9, and consume VASTLY less power than Cortex-A15, yet achieve the same "performance class" as Cortex-A15 (win some benchmarks, lose some..), but the point being that they achieve similar performance much more EFFICIENTLY.

But they aren't doing that with the Snapdragon 810! Fact is that Snapdragon 810 is a product that is rushed to market JUST TO SAY "SIXTY-FOUR BITZ NAOW!!!"

Like the Cortex-A15, the Cortex-A57 is really not a "phone" chip. It sucks more power and generates more heat than you want in a phone chip. This fact is something that *contributed* to the rumors that the SD810 was "overheating". In fact, the only issue is that it went into thermal THROTTLING sooner than they would like (i.e., sooner than a Krait). Thermal throttling does not mean overheating. ALL high performance phone chips (including Apple's) will go into thermal throttling when you run them hard for a long period of time. This is because you don't have the option of using an ACTIVE COOLING system (i.e., a FAN). The heat generated by the SoC will build up in the phone until it is forced to slow down **TO PREVENT** overheating.

With the NEXT round of Qualcomm 64bit SoC's, they go back to their own in-house designs, called Taipan. This is where the BIG.little design goes obsolete, because LIKE the Krait is sufficiently efficient that it doesn't need BIG.little arrangement (as Cortex-A7/A15 designs do...), the Taipan cores allow them to jam 8 FULL high performance cores into a single package without running into thermal or power consumption problems.

Now if you all will notice... Samsung is NOT known for developing their own custom core designs. They have exclusively used ARM reference designs. Since the SD810 does not HAVE that, they really don't benefit from using it over their own equivalent SoC's. When Qualcomm has the Taipan ready for market late this year, you can expect Samsung to go back to Snapdragon.

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