Apple allegedly scrapped plans for the iPhone 5 with a larger screen months before the 4S launch
It was allegedly scrapped about three months before the launch, since Steve Jobs concluded it's a device that will fragment the iPhone line too much. It was also eventually loaded with Siri, which was called Assistant, according to a murky source, who is reported to have played with a prototype for two weeks.
It's an interesting theory, but the reporter acknowledges that he hasn't been able to verify the claims with a second source, so for now it might be just a theory put quickly together by someone, not to mention the publication has a penchant for sensationalist stories.
2. pecemaloto (Posts: 22; Member since: 17 Dec 2010)
its too fluckin early for april fool's day 'etarded jokes.....like them specs mentioned...
18. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Like everyone else said here, the next iPhone hype starts very early like weeks after the previous release until the day it releases, and all rumors would end up wrong, but since it's apple, dumb people buy.
Can't imagine iOS without that original button, so i'm guessing same button and same screen, different form...
21. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Very true. This scenario reminds me of RIM and Blackberry. They're very relevant and innovative these days, aren't they?
27. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Quad Cores and they're still stuck at lagging OSs and Single Cores with no big screens.
HP should buy Rim, and use intel processors with WebOS and Meego into one. Make alliances like nokia did.
3. imkyle (Posts: 1032; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
I'm guessing that it will be the next iPhone. 3.5 inch screen may still be there. Only time will tell.
32. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
I was really hoping for a new iPhone, but it didnt come so i took up Windows Phone and its really good!
50. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
haha of course! but i actually think this is super probable because all those cases and rumors seriously dont spring from absolutely nothing..
4. netizen (Posts: 35; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Sounds just like Apple (Jobs). Can't have it if it doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold.
The heck with being on the cutting edge of technology.. stick with tried and true.
Sad thing is, he is/was right. Most consumers don't want to deal with the inconvenience that comes with pushing the limits and being on the cutting edge.
Just look at all the people who lined up to buy the Iphone 4S and signed a contract for 2 more years with 3G Data speeds. They will still be using 3G speeds 3 1/2 years after the EVO 4G went on the market.... But their iphones will be puttering along flawlessly while frustrated Android Device owners deal with the frustrations of a phone that pushes the limits.
31. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 316; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
true. kind of... iPhone users are for people who just want a 'smartphone' they just want it to work and don't want to experience anything new. they want something that is guarnteed, they don't want innovation or creativity. all well and good for them but ask almost anyone on xda-developers if they would switch their android for the iPhone. maybe you'll get a few but the general consensus will be a rezounsding (lol couldn't pass it up) 'HELL NO'. and idk if 'most' would describe the amount of consumers who don't want to deal with the inconvenience that comes with pushing the limits because last time i checked, there are as many if not more android users out there. now that will probably even out after a year or so of every other carrier having the iPhone but i strongly believe that android will always carry at LEAST around 50% of the popular vote. capitalism is about choices right? go anrdoid :p
5. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Apple made that comments to keep iPhone 5 in secret and a surprise launch date will be announce after the phone is shipped to Apple Stores.
6. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
People need to understand Apple makes numerous prototypes that never see the light of day -- which is why it's hard to prove if Apple had worked on it or not. At the same time, Apple has a deep pipeline of products or inventions waiting for the technology to catch up. As for the reason why the larger screen iPhone was put on hold, I suspect the battery technology was just not ready yet. 4G and bigger screen means more juice, other things being equal.
Also, people think the cell phones in the US are the cutting edge, but many times they are far from the best possible phones or specs. I was reading some other website about how Motorola is launching the RAZR with 13 MP shooters in mainland China while it has only 8 MP in the US (a point lost to many android fanboys). And how one version of the RAZR might have a 4.5" screen (also with a 13 MP shooter) compared with the 4.3" screen in the states. I have always known the Japanese led with MP in cell phones -- they had 14 MP shooters for some time now. I remember reading about how the Japanese OEMS came out with 12 MP shooters almost 2+ years ago and we still debating 5 MP vs 8 MP shooters.
That is exactly what a lot of OEMs do -- they produce lots of devices or prototypes to test new technology or simply for bragging rights. When it comes to Apple, they don't play that game -- they only release something when it meets their high standards.
In summary, when the battery technology does arrive, i.e. better battery life at a reasonable price, expect Apple to incorporate it and blow people away. It's a known fact Apple has a pipeline as much as 5-years deep.
7. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
In case anyone is curious, this Sony-Ericson phone the S007 has a 16.2 MP shooter. And the phone is considered "waterproof".
8. netizen (Posts: 35; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Your right on target as far as the most cutting edge phones being overseas. They are really pushing the limits!
I have no doubt Apple is very much cutting edge on their development of technology. I do however think that because of their high standards they have lost the lead in having products with the most "cutting edge technology" that are actually available on the market.
Their competitors have taken the technology lead in their products available on the market, along with all the downfalls that go with it that you mentioned... battery life and overall reliability.
I do think most people prefer having better battery life and their phone to work flawlessly. There are some who are willing to sacrifice those things to use the most advanced technology out there (like 4G). But I fear they are in the minority.
Having this competition is great for consumers. It pushes technology forward at a much faster pace. Every company wants to have the latest technology in their products on the market.
14. PhoneLuver (Posts: 474; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)
Awesome to have some grown ups around for a change with some decent points to make. It\'s a welcome change to the usual slander.
33. Retro-touch (Posts: 267; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
The 4.5" RAZR (MT917) in China also has a 1280 x 720 LCD screen. Why didn't they release this version. The story is here:
36. McLTE (Posts: 719; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
What's with all the emphasis on MP count on the camera?
If you knew anything about camera tech, you'd understand that having a 14MP camera on these phones is NOT a good thing.. it's purely marketing because the consumers are so fixated on "bigger is better"
a good quality 5MP camera will be much better than a 14MP camera in these phones.
47. choupino (Posts: 69; Member since: 28 May 2011)
This is a bold statement that you are making. Can you please expound a bit more on why a higher MegaPixel count is worse on a wireless device than a 5 or 8 MP camera?
I'm not being sarcastic in anyway McLTE. I really want to know. :)
48. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
I take pics and videos of wildlife. It's for my hobby and I am not a professional - meaning I tend to point and shoot. As a general comment, more MP means more information and detail about the subject matter. When you are tracking one animal that is in a group of 300 animals, those extra MP is the difference of wasting or being productive in those 4 hours. I used to carry a digital camera, my iPod Touch 4G (which takes great HD videos) and my cell phone. Right now, I really want to carry one device plus its easier when I need to capture something unexpected. Right now the iPhone 4S with the superior optics would be a good choice but I never owned the iPhone because the screen is to small.
56. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
"As for the reason why the larger screen iPhone was put on hold, I suspect the battery technology was just not ready yet. 4G and bigger screen means more juice, other things being equal."
-Then they should just join the rest of the world and make a battery that can come out and be replaced.
57. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
"Then they should just join the rest of the world and make a battery that can come out and be replaced."
Actually, it's the other way around -- the non-Apple OEMs are adopting sealed batteries, like Motorola the RAZR, especially the better RAZRs in mainland China.
9. android_hitman (Posts: 738; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)
this is the most stupid news that i recently heard. Really? how the f an iphone5 will fragment the iphone line?
what? this line?
iphone2->iphone3g->ipnone3gs->iphone4 ... really?
apple is making an \"S\" every time just to earn more money on the same product!
38. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I am guessing the reason Steve thought it would "fragment" the line is because the larger screen would create a difference in app displays.
I also think that they would love to hop on the "big screen bandwagon" but since they have been bashing large displays for so long they realize they would look dumb to change their mind now.
10. itsius1 (Posts: 49; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
though people love the iphone, i still dislike its method of overprices...
25. Firedrops (Posts: 218; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
I feels ya bro. 4S is a whopping $300 more than the SGSII, on 2 years contract where I live.
34. Retro-touch (Posts: 267; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
In my country its a $400 difference between the SGS2 and the Iphone, there are no contract deals so you have to pay retail price. You can buy a laptop an SGS2 and still have change left over at that price!!!!!
11. rycx365 (Posts: 37; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)
I think the majority of the customers would have preferred a device with a larger screen that "fragments the iphone line" than one with a smaller one. There's a reason why android and wp7 phones are jumping to over 4.5" screens
44. Stuntman (Posts: 809; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
I think customers will benefit for having some variety of devices to choose from. Apple chooses to minimise those choses to storage size, colour or year of release. If you want more variety than this, you will currently have to consider phones from other manufacturers.
15. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)
Im so glad you got a chance to post before your mommy dropped you off at school.
17. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
why are you so upset about my comment? were you hurt? i know right?
13. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I'm sorry but my theory always is of you can't provide video or photo I simply wont believe its true.
Ex: Oh wait I had my hands on the prototype it had LTE and a projector just like the one in the concept we saw, and you could pull out an awesome keyboard thanks to it, and it had the best battery 2 whole days on LTE and it was 5" all screen ,no buttons at all but power, uses a gesture for volume up and down and a 12mp shooter. And it looked so awesome but Steve said we should not release it because it will crush the competition no doubt so we decided to gave them one more year
22. andro. (Posts: 1977; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Unfortunately for the poor apple fans they always speculate these type specs and the rumours are always there because they can only dream of getting these specs and features but never actually do as apple release the same product each year with very minor changes
30. SleepingOz (unregistered)
hahaha ait! xD
19. andro. (Posts: 1977; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
This really is idle speculation and is also really is a throwing of dirt in the faces of all those who were fooled into buy the iphone 4 again now named with an 's' added onto it by stating how the new phone really should have been.
It also is clearly not true as apple never ever release a new phone with that amount of changes. The spec for this supposed scrapped phone is for the reasonable expected spec for the iphone 6 or iphone 5s whichever apple will try to call it. Expect the iphone 5 to have only one or two of these expected changes as able don't believe in making changes to the iphone each year,they only believe in taking the money
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5975; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I suspect it was a combination of a few things that pushed out what was expected by the 'market':
1. 4+ inch screen in an iPod Touch form factor probably was not meeting production yield requirements to give Apple the margin targets they required;
2. Battery life with an iPod Touch form factor was a challenge that ouldn't be overcome given cost (margin) requirements;
3. Retina-spec screen in 4+ inch could not be brought in at the required cost (margin);
4. Camera sensor could not be squeezed into the slim form factor. Remember some of the more 'credible' rumors that had the iPhone 5 having a tapered (thicker at the top and tapering to a thinner bottom) wedge shape? The Droid RAZR has a hump for the camera sensor for the same reason. I suspect this was the final nail in the iPhone 5 coffin - can you imagine the screaming sh*t fit that Steve would throw over his design having a hump?
As a result of all of the above, we have a tarted up iPhone 4 with Siri.... And Apple is meeting their margin requirements.
51. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Droid_X_Doug, I don't think you understand supply-chain, cost-accounting, ROIC, theory of constraints, value-added, etc.
The total margin of a product isn't sum of the parts as you have indicated. There is a learning curve and then the costs come down throughout the entire production process. In the case of a product like the iPhone that is sold in the millions, a penny saved is a lot of money.
Remember, once the supplier gains efficiency, that is typically shared with Apple. The cost of producing the first million units of the iPhone is much more expensive than producing the tenth or 20th million of the iPhone. That helps explains Apple maintaining its margins. Take the 3GS as an example, Apple and its suppliers are so good at producing it that the 3GS is so much cheaper to make today.
If you really wanted to calculate the margin of the iPhone, it would be the AVERAGE margin over the life of the product. Think about it, besides the 3GS, Apple will also be selling the 4 and next year it will continue to sell the 4S along with the iPhone 5.
23. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
The result is the iphone 4s ... that has nothing except bugs and problems
26. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
How will it fragment the line?
Is it that hard to keep track of an iPhone 4, iPhone 4S and iPhone 5? I like their idea of making few varieties of each product so they are easy to keep track of, unlike HTC or Samsung which release a phone every fortnight each with a slightly different feature.
37. McLTE (Posts: 719; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I agree.. To keep with the same size of the current iPhone is product suicide.. maybe not now, but eventually.
I think if Apple doesn't move to a larger screen and integrate LTE, they will begin to lose market share in a BIG way.
Right now LTE is kind of new still and many people don't understand the difference between 3G and 4G.. once mainstream consumers catch on.. they will DEMAND it in their iPhones.
28. Packer29 (Posts: 56; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
Same old redundant fan droids downing the IPhone but the 4s is the best phone on the market! Apple doesn't throw abunch of crap on the wall to see what works and I'm glad they take the time to make the experience smooth for every user instead of just having a spec race like all the high end android Phones do!!!!
29. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
you sound so ignorant. it's no spec race. its technology and innovation that gets better and better.
46. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
he is right... 4g is not perfect yet... 8mp.. most people i know have in 5-6mp due to memory... dual cores..?.. we have single core laggy as H*ll... screen i give that... even thought when I had my Droid X I had it a low setting to conserve battery....
39. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Yeah, and all of the problems we've been hearing about with the 4S just prove your statement.
The iPhone 4S is the best iPhone on the market. Apple doesn't throw "a bunch of crap on the wall" to see what works, they throw one piece of s**t because they know people like you will be standing there ready to lick it off the wall the second it lands.
35. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
another day another thread turned into a fanboy flame war over nothing.
40. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I actually thought this article was doing fairly well.
43. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
It was until post number 28. Remove that post and harmony is restored.
42. Dmann (Posts: 165; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
What I don´t like about this kind of article, is that once you take proof or fact out of the equation, you can say pretty much anything. Kind of like religion.
Well, my non-reliable source told me that Samsung made a super duper core i7 phone with 4" full hd display and battery of 7 days! But it was scrapped because Samsung concluded that this would ruin all other manufacturers.
49. Packer29 (Posts: 56; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
In response to earlier comments I am all for technology and innovation and apple has been innovative. It doesn't rush things and no there not perfect but there's a reason people keep buying the iPhone and it's because of an awesome Eco system and the fact that it is a phone that works easily for all types of people ease of use isn't a bad thing
52. netizen (Posts: 35; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
That is very true. I have no problem giving Apple credit for giving people what they want.... something that is very reliable and works well.
I do think Apple gets more credit than they are due for being technology leaders... when they were the only smartphone out there, Apple WAS the technology leader. They still could be today, but they would have to sacrifice reliability and battery life to keep up with their competitors and they will not do that.
Android devices are the true technology leaders today... and it shows in their poor battery life and being less reliable.. that is the price you pay to have cutting edge technology.. most people THINK they want cutting edge...but really the majority does not... they want something that works reliably and doesn't need a charge half way through the day. They are not willing to sacrifice to use cutting edge technology.
I know the majority reading this may not fall into that category as anyone taking the time to read this probably does value cutting edge technology more than most.
53. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Cheers.. Id rather have something that pushes limits than something that does not. Apple has its stability.. Battery life (cough) smooth as butter os... But enjoying my phone how I want to.. Over clocked.. Rooted with custom kernel (smooth as butter) with 30 hours battery just tickles me. I enjoyed my iPhone 4 but going from my og Droid I still missed my Android OS and went back to it.. Stuck with my bionic now but have no regrets.. I will forever be an Android user.. Or atleast till something better comes but at the rate Android is evolving I can't say I see me swaying anytime soon. =/
54. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> Android devices are the true technology leaders today
Sorry but that is not true by a long shot. Apple is and has been a software manufacturer and their ability to write software is second to none. For example, I just downloaded the latest iOS 5.0.1 version and it was 780 MB the traditional way or about 34 MB via iOS 5.0 just by updating the deltas or new code. I just saved 740 MB of bandwidth using the new approach. I have never been able to update any OS -- be it MS-Dos or MS-Windows -- using just the deltas. This is revoluntary for OS updates.
The next point is that people are biased about cutting edge by being fixated on hardware changes. I understand the android OEMs are introducing devices with better spec's. However, by looking solely at the hardware ignores how the software integrates with the hardware, again another strength for Apple. There is no manufacturer today that makes consumer electonics products as intuitive to use as Apple. The ability to incorporate software and hardware gives Apple an unbelievable advantage over its competitor.
Also, slide to unlock, pinch to zoom, double tap, etc on the smartphones are all Apple innovations that we take for granted today. Or even the impact of Apple's webkit in mobile browsers.
As for the title of true technology leaders, I don't think it belongs to any one company or group. It definitely doesn't belong to Apple nor does it belong to Google (who creates Android) or the Android OEMs, or the independent chip makes such as TI, Nvidia or Qualcomm.
55. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Not the leaders but look at the evolution of Androids... Went from the Og Droid to the ones out now that's quite a leap.. And quad core coming soon.. (may not be too useful yet but is still quite amazing) we don't have ICS yet but from the looks of it it does vastly improve the fragmentation of Android. Apple as an OS has not changed much.. You claim innovation with pinch zoom etc.. Yet would you claim true mulmultitasking and notification bar as innovation? The things Apple borrows from others is no different that others borrowing from Apple. Its biased to say only Apple innovates considering they don't make their own screens and not all their hardware is theirs.. Tech leaders are the ones pushing the envelope and using it.. Maybe not perfecting the software but using it and incorporating it in their phones. Sorry if this post is all over lol I'm half sleep.