Introduction


Much in the same way as Apple sparked a revolution on the smartphone market, Samsung essentially started a whole separate category within the industry with the original phablet – the 2011 Galaxy Note.

While rivalry has always raged between the two manufacturers, we've often felt like they're waging a kind of a proxy war, and basically compete indirectly in a way. In other words, there was always a major differentiating factor (size, operating system, underlying philosophy) between their devices, and that, in a sense, instilled a feeling that theirs was more of a game of who's gonna get the farthest the fastest, and not who's going to make it out of the cage alive. But no longer.

With the iPhone 6 Plus, Apple is encroaching on core Samsung territory – one that it molded itself – and it has every intention of fighting for every last inch of it. That's where the brand-new, perfected Galaxy Note 4 comes in, ready to receive the 6 Plus. Will Apple's relative inexperience in this segment prove to be its downfall, or can its phablet come on top? We're about to find out...

Design

Phablet lovers will adore these two.

With the Note 4, Samsung is finally transitioning towards different materials, and the phablet is seen sporting a chamfered metal frame that feels great in the hand. At the back, we're once again looking at a polycarbonate imitation of leather, though the texture has been changed to a slightly less grippy one, which, however, looks more authentic than the one available with the Note 3. In comparison, Apple has endowed the iPhone 6 Plus with an all-aluminum body and plastic is altogether missing – front or back.

The Note 4 is also different at the sides – the overall shape is still of a rectangular that is pleasantly rounded at the edges, but Samsung has actually implemented shock-absorbent bumps at the four corners of the device, much alike to the Galaxy Alpha. The iPhone 6 Plus – also a rounded rectangle (if slightly more so) – doesn't feature protective bumps, and is instead making use of a circular, tube-like frame that hugs your palm nicely.

All in all, we've gotta hand it to Apple – when it comes to the feeling you get when handling the two devices, the iPhone 6 Plus definitely inspires a greater sense of you toying with something truly high-end. Unfortunately, while it is the slightly narrower device, the 6 Plus is still plenty big. So big, in fact, that it towers above the Note 4, despite its smaller, 5.5-inch screen. In any case, we're still looking at two XL-sized smartphones, both of which are simply not meant to be used with just one hand.

Last, but not least, the Touch ID fingerprint scanner that debuted with the iPhone 5s can still be found embedded within the circular home button, and it's just as reliable and easy-to-use. We've got to say that we still prefer it over the swipe-type fingerprint scanner on the Note 4 (also a part of its home button), even though that one has seen some improvements from the frustrating early days of the Galaxy S5.
Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Dimensions

6.04 x 3.09 x 0.33 inches

153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm

Weight

6.21 oz (176 g)

Apple iPhone 6 Plus

Apple iPhone 6 Plus

Dimensions

6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28 inches

158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1 mm

Weight

6.07 oz (172 g)

Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Dimensions

6.04 x 3.09 x 0.33 inches

153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm

Weight

6.21 oz (176 g)

Apple iPhone 6 Plus

Apple iPhone 6 Plus

Dimensions

6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28 inches

158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1 mm

Weight

6.07 oz (172 g)

To see the phones in real size or compare them with other models, visit our Visual Phone Size Comparison page



Display

A Samsung Super AMOLED panel that offers a better color fidelity than an Apple IPS screen? Better believe it!

While Samsung has been gradually increasing the display size of its Note devices with each successive generation, this trend has been put to an expected stop with the Note 4, which shares a 5.7-inch diagonal with its predecessor. What did change, however, is the screen resolution – the number of pixels shot up by 77% to 1440x2560 (Quad HD), so the Super AMOLED panel on-board now boasts the whopping 515 pixels per inch. The iPhone 6 Plus, in turn, sticks to a smaller, 5.5-inch IPS display with a conventional 1080x1920 resolution, or a pixel density of 401 ppi. On paper, the difference in resolutions is non-trivial and very much in favor of the Note 4, but in real life, bragging rights are the biggest benefit of having all these extra pixels. When the two handsets are held at a normal distance from the user's eyes, the difference in screen resolution becomes indiscernible.

We went in-depth with the Galaxy Note 4's screen, and found that the new panel is the very best we've seen from Samsung. The display's color temperature is excellent at 6667 K – an absolutely negligible deviation from the optimal value of 6500 K – beating the iPhone 6 Plus' 7300 K, which causes a slight bluish overcast. But that's not all – this is actually the first phone with an AMOLED screen that is as faithful in rendering hues properly – color error is pretty small in Basic mode, and grayscale errors are also fairly low. The average color error on the iPhone 6 Plus is also decently-low, but colors are not quite as on-target as the ones available with the Note 4's display. The only downside to the Note 4's panel is its gamma value of 1.97, which is below the reference value of 2.2 – the iPhone 6 Plus is close to perfect, at 2.18. In practice, the lower gamma of the Note 4 is the result of brighter highlights only, with the shadows remaining as dark as they should be. This means that the screen ends up being a bit punchier and more contrasty than normal, though the effect is not so overdone as to be annoying or distracting.

Moving on, the brightness of the Note 4's screen is good, at 468 nits, while the one of the 6 Plus is excellent at 574 nits. However, outdoor visibility in broad daylight is very good on both, as the two of them sport very good and non-reflective glasses. The Note 4's display can be dimmed down all the way to 1 nit, which is outstanding and guarantees comfy usage in your bed, while the iPhone 6 Plus can do 4 nits, which is also excellent. One last advantage of the Note 4's screen is its ability to become highly-sensitive, allowing you to use it even with gloves – a great feature in light of the coming winter.

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323 Comments

322. kerginaldo17 unregistered

compare the almighty note 4 with weak iphone 6 is cowardice, not think, PA?

321. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

As i concluded before, the iPhone 6+ has it's own merits just as the Note 4 does. The winner merely depends on what ecosystem suits you best. Android OR iOS.. Samsung OR Apple.. In either respect, both phones are excellent & it boils down to choice as usual. Android security isn't as bad as mr @dr_blank tends to point out so much. A significant number of IT staff use android devices in the workplace & that should give you an indication that it's resilient. The rest is speculative & irrelevant. S-Pen or not, Note 4 proves to be the better productivity powerhouse which is exactly what i need a big phone for. In that regard, Note 4 for me..

320. Jwalker75

Posts: 3; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

I own both the iPhone 6+ and the note4. They are both good phones.Period.

319. Chamarahcd

Posts: 10; Member since: Feb 01, 2015

I think iPhone is the winner as every time yeah.

313. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Deeply sorry if my comments came off as stupid, im just giving my opinions & thoughts just as you are. You say I assume a lot about you when you seem to be doing the exact same thing with me. Quite funny. Look man, you love Apple & that's fine. I love Apple myself but the massive bias you have towards the company is a bit ridiculous to say the least. Be open-minded a lil that's all im saying, doesn't hurt. No need for the spitefulness & dissing. That's for kids & im sure you aren't one yourself. All in all you got numerous valid points & I agree with you 70% of the way. Just not everything though & care to consider the validity of some of my points as well as the others. You can't possibly disagree with everything man.

314. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Yeah, but you obviously aren't listening.. When a PUBLICLY traded company tells the users of their product (Android OS) 4 or so years later and there is about 750,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 that the product they have has a security problem they KNEW about from the very beginning, yet didn't do ANY thing to fix it because it was more important to have Flash support so people could go to YouTube (which they own) and watch Flash videos so Google can earn some money, is just flat out ridiculous. That type of coverup is just plain un called for and people don't have tolerance for that. What boggles my mind is WHY would you use a product that someone makes that they IGNORED a security problem and didn't really admit it until recently after the fact? Sorry, but I would be outraged and I would stop using that product and never do business with a company that did that. Not in the computer industry. That's just SLEASY. You obviously didn't hear the other reasons. Lack of professional apps, less 3rd party accessories, OS updates are not as timely released, they don't support the h/w with as many OS yearly updates. Too much confusion over what product to get. For someone to look at all of the different models, it's practically a full time job because there are 60 mfg spitting out hundreds of phones, who the heck has time to spend playing with even 25 to 50 different models? I remember when I was a teenager, I had better things to do, and as an adult, the only way that I would have time is if I was being paid to do it and I was selling the products as a source of income. But, I don't, and you don't. You can like your Samsung all you want, but you really came off the deep end with the stylus. Seriously, MOST PEOPLE don't USE a stylus with a smartphone or even a tablet. Yes, we can use them, but it's not something that EVERYONE uses or even WANTS to use. IF Apple came out with a whiz bang stylus, I would probably play around with it at the store, but I probably won't buy one because I don't do graphics apps. The only time I've ever had a need for a stylus is to sign my signature, and that's it. The reason what I am biased is that I used both Apple and Microsoft and had so many problems that were malware related and I swore off Microsoft and just use Apple. Here comes Android as a blatant copy of Apple and when I bought my first iPhone 3 years ago, the only thing I saw my friends were having problems with their Android phones and it was malware related, poor product design, buggy software, etc. and I saw the frustration on their faces and I just didn't want to repeat that. Sorry, but I didn't always agree with Steve Jobs, I don't always think Apple is doing things perfectly and I'm probably one of the first people to complain directly with Apple when I see a screwup. Trust me, I've worked for large Apple resellers and a lot of top brass at Apple know who I am. I've never worked there or getting paid to put this out.

315. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Some other reasons why I am biased towards Apple. Obviously the ease of use is there, but I have, over the course of 30+ years of using computers, found that if the company develops the OS, OS development tools, apps, hardware design, support, etc. etc. they have ultimate control over their product and can typically SUPPORT the product better. Microsoft just started making their own tablet whatever you want to call them and Google doesn't own Motorola anymore so they can claim they make the OS and hardware, so both Microsoft and Google platforms are essentially more of a KLUDGE product where there are simply too many cooks in the kitchen. That causes confusion amongst themselves and the customer isn't going to be taken care of a quickly. As far as Samsung, they are a sleazy company, they've been caught twice with price fixing of components, which is illegal. They also have conflict of interest since they supply components to their competitors and they turn around and copy their competition knowing what prices, components and delivery schedule they have for upcoming products. That's a VERY sleazy form of business practice and I don't want to support that. Thankfully Apple and Foxconn are building the capability to make Apple designed screens with another screen mfg AND Foxconn. I'm assuming its the force touch technology which Samsung and LQ might not have the ability to make. That's one more major component Apple doesn't have to go to either Samsun or LG for. I actually think that technology is going to be pretty damn cool and make the apps for interactive on a "FEEL" level so we can FEEL the surface of something though haptic response. Obviously the AppleWatch will be the first of it's kind that's why I'm eager to play around with it, even though I may hold off on purchasing one for the 1st year. But from reading the patents for the iPadPro, it looks interesting. If it works the way I think it does, it's going to be very cool when the apps take advantage of it. No, I don't disagree with everything, but I don't see them as being a big enough issue with what you are saying. I've said this from the beginning that Android does have some nifty features hear and there, but some of them were badly implemented. Facial recognition to log into a phone is interesting, but I have a friend that was trying to show it off and they couldn't get it to work consistently or quickly enough, so it failed as a legitimate log in. Fingerprint works much better.

316. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

I know i have a lot of valid points. yeah, I know Android has improved, but it still has issues that I refuse to ignore. Sorry, but I just don't take Android platform that seriously. I tried to like it when I played around with friend's phones, but I couldn't stand the UI, it was NOT a pleasant experience. I find it funny when I talk to an Android user about a specific model phone and the first thing they talk about is how you have to remove a bunch of apps to make it better. WTF? Why would someone have to do that? Windows users have to do that and I find that totally ridiculous. Sorry but i can't help it, I laugh at some of the stupid things Android users have to do to make the phone better. Rooting a phone to put a different OS on it. PLEASE. That sounds dumb to me. It makes me feel that what they got sucked so badly, that they had to put a different OS on their product. it's just dumb. Most people aren't going to "ROOT" their phone. Why is it so good? Because they can? Jeez. It just sounds stupid.

317. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Now, with regards to product design, there are a couple of Android phones that look pretty good as far as the case design, but they still lack a good fingerprint reader, which I do use all of the time and find it useful. The Moto X case is pretty cool but it lacks a fingerprint reader. HTC has a decent design, but it's fingerprint reader is a joke. Samsung products I always thought were kind of cheap plastic and they just felt cheap to me. I never played with a recent LG phone, but they seem just like another Samsung to me, but maybe a little better design. But the other issue is 64BIt, you may not think it's the big of a deal, but it is. As time goes on, you'll wish you had it sooner, it's just the way things have to go moving forward and it will allow for better apps and less legginess if things are implemented properly. Apple has already done 32 bit to 64 Bit with OS X and they know how to do that transition, Google doesn't have that experience and I'll bet it's going to take the Android platform about 5 to 6 years to do what Apple only needs 3 to 4 years to fully transition. Apple is going to already have all of their apps on 64 Bit next month. Android has yet to spit out 64 Bit apps. Apple has probably about 60% of their install based between 5S, 6, 6+, and they'll get about 90% install base by next year after they remove the 5C off the price list and shift everything down at the end of this year. Android has essentially none or a VERY small number of users. Apple is ready to pour some gasoline on their 64 Bit fire when Android is still trying to light the match. That's the analogy I have for a comparison.

318. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Let's look at this Force Touch screen technology along with Haptic technology. If Apple already has patents and they have another screen mfg and Foxconn being able to mfg. this, they can eventually roll it out amongst ALL Apple mobile devices. How is any Android mfg going to copy this? They have to get Google to write the APIs, they have to get both Samsung and LG to copy Apple's patents. If they can copy it without getting their asses sued, it may take them a LONG time before they'll have that on ALL Android devices. We're looking at 6+ years. Meanwhile, if all goes well with Apple's strategy, they'll have it rolled out with all of their products in about a 3 year time frame. That's how long it takes for Apple to roll out a new technology in all of their mobile devices. Apple comes out with game changers and when they do, they get it done much faster. Just look at Fingerprint technology, Samsung is going to change the sensor to be a copy cat of Apple's sensor, which already works, meanwhile Apple is playing with an updated version of the sensor to add more functionality. Apple may not have all of this whiz bang features that are not always implanted well, but when they focus on something, they want to get it right, which is what happened with their mobile payment system. It's not only 100% secure, but they are rolling it out amongst more banks and retail stores as quickly as possible so we can actually use it. I never had a single friend tell me they actually used Google Wallet, even though they had it in their phone. :-)

312. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

311. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

"You place features or some freaking Stylus as more important than OS updating, malware, ..." Features are exactly what drives consumers towards a particular phone my friend. Isn't the iphone's security prowess & camera performance, features that draw you towards it? If another respectable phone brings that to the table & offers more, why shouldn't you go for it. Surely you must be dumb not to do so don't you think. Before you start waxing lyrical about security, i repeat: security is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE! In that respect, the Note 4 impeccably lives up to the task. It's got a whole host of security-oriented software plus the highly appreciated KNOX suite that's driven towards the Bring_Your_Own_Device philosophy of the workplace. Security on the Note 4 is sufficiently potent

310. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Security is a big deal & no one argued that with you. I personally didn't deny it. What I simply said is that android security is not as bad as you think it is & even though android is open, OEMs put in control measures to limit the openness. The only way of taking advantage of android's openness is via rooting, which admittedly, isn't a favourable option for many consumers. Most android security concerns can be closely associated with rooting & it's imperative that you realize that many people don't root their phones. Flash is an old security problem & it's astonishing that most of your security concerns are stemming from it. Many android devices since 2013 haven't come preinstalled with flash as a consequence, a move that shows OEM's continued active participation in resolving security flaws within the android ecosystem. Flash is predominantly installed separately & even then, the installation process isn't a walk in the park. Which essentially lives the whole operation to users who really need the software & who are well aware of the shortfalls associated with it. The only major security problem that i know off, is webview, which is deeply buried within jellybean & prior versions. Talking about webivew & it's respective security loopholes, Google has advised end-users to update their software to kitkat & later. If that's not a plausible choice, users are advised to use google chrome or firefox as their default browsers. All these measures can be implemented in order to avoid the adverse repercussions associated with malware infection. Other than that, any version of android after kitkat isn't susceptible to any security problems as of yet. Every company is profit-driven but you fail to see my angle. Like I said before, Apple made the 6 plus merely because they wanted to cash-in on the profits that Samsung was making from the phablet market. Apple stood for small compatible devices from the very first inception of the iphone, but chose to ignore that stance after realising the potential growth of big-sized phones. If Apple says big phones are ridiculous then the next they making a whole bunch of them, it just goes to show that some of their mockerys are just going to be things they going to be implementing themselves. I once thought they knew what they were doing but now it's all about replicating what android is doing & never having a solid stance on anything. Money is predominantly the driving force behind their decisions these days & Steve Jobs was hardly as money-crazed. The resilience of Apple products is yet to be seen.

309. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Security is a big deal & no one argued that with you. I personally didn't deny it. What I simply said is that android security is not as bad as you think it is & even though android is open, OEMs put in control measures to limit the openness. The only way of taking advantage of android's openness is via rooting, which admittedly, isn't a favourable option for many consumers. Most android security concerns can be closely associated with rooting & it's imperative that you realize that many people don't root their phones. Flash is an old security problem & it's astonishing that most of your security concerns are stemming from it. Many android devices since 2013 haven't come preinstalled with flash as a consequence, a move that shows OEM's continued active participation in resolving security flaws within the android ecosystem. Flash is predominantly installed separately & even then, the installation process isn't a walk in the park. Which essentially lives the whole operation to users who really need the software & who are well aware of the shortfalls associated with it. The only major security problem that i know off, is webview, which is deeply buried within jellybean & prior versions. Talking about webivew & it's respective security loopholes, Google has advised end-users to update their software to kitkat & later. If that's not a plausible choice, users are advised to use google chrome or firefox as their default browsers. All these measures can be implemented in order to avoid the adverse repercussions associated with malware infection. Other than that, any version of android after kitkat isn't susceptible to any security problems as of yet. Every company is profit-driven but you fail to see my angle. Like I said before, Apple made the 6 plus merely because they wanted to cash-in on the profits that Samsung was making from the phablet market. Apple stood for small compatible devices from the very first inception of the iphone, but chose to ignore that stance after realising the potential growth of big-sized phones. If Apple says big phones are ridiculous then the next they making a whole bunch of them, it just goes to show that some of their mockerys are just going to be things they going to be implementing themselves. I once thought they knew what they were doing but now it's all about replicating what android is doing & never having a solid stance on anything. Money is predominantly the driving force behind their decisions these days & Steve Jobs was hardly as money-crazed. The resilience of Apple products is yet to be seen.

304. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Let's agree to disagree. You love apple & that's the moral of the story. I love apple & google & I have no considerable bias towards either one. Your bias towards apple however prompted me to argue w/ you a bit. Apple has the best mobile phone security no questions about that. W/ that said however, android has it's own merits. Security might not be the best but it's surely not the worst. Disagree all you want but as far as im concerned, the majority of the devices in the global market run android. That goes to show that android security is not as bad as you put it. Security is of utmost importance to anyone & the fact that the majority of people own an android device more than speaks for android's not-so-great security but not-so-bad security. IT staff & corporate individuals alike, use android devices in their respective workplaces so stop talkin nonsense about security. Apple has its own fair share of security problems & the only way to avoid security problems altogether is to use a dummy phone & not a smartphone. There was a controversial topic on Apple's settings app storin user data & whatnot. That's a deliberate security flaw on Apple's part & you 100% assured they not doing sneaky things behind the scenes right now? Please! On top of that, you say android is a copycat when apple recently started makin big phones? When they recently started supportin third-party widgets & keyboards? What's next really? These are all android firsts. Inevitably, the next wave of Apple innovations are just going to be android firsts. Apples ingenuity & originality died w/ Steve Jobs ayt! Stop the unnecessary bias & act like the grown-up or corporate guy you claim you are. As far as im concerned, you got many degrees or whatever but really your mindset falls short of a 5-year olds. So, Mr so-called BLANK, despite your actual age (which I find to be hilarious seeing that your arguments are bananas.. lol) GROW UP & stop embarrassing yourself on these forums. Good talk though. No grudges man, peace! ✌

308. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Why are you so hung up on screen size? Is that the only thing you can talk about? Screen size, stylus, widgets? Seriously. I don't even know if Apple is going to come out with a stylus for the iPhone. I know they are working on one for a 12 inch iPad, but I don't know if they are going to integrate it for the iPhone. You made the assumption that they are. Until I see proof, then the only option is someone buying any number of the 20 or so stylus pens for an iPhone if they really want one, but most people don't. And it's a small percentage that do for the iPad. You are just a little too immature for me, and I'm done with your stupid comments. You are a child in my eyes and you don't think things through in a mature fashion. Grow up. and stop replying to me. have no time for your anymore I wish I never talked to you in the first place. You still have high school mentality and I don't.

303. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Security issues pertaining to jellybean & prior versions can be avoided altogether. Google lists a number of ways to avoid these security threats & that's the only plausible thing to do since its not feasible for Google "to update old code forever". Even if it were to patch security updates, its up to the various OEMs to push through these updates to their respective product lines & even then, it's safe to say that only flagship phones will be updated w/ these software patches. How can you seriously blame Google for that. In any case, these issues have been resolved w/ kitkat & lollipop. Anyone w/ a jellybean device at this point in time oughts to update their software or get a new device. OEMs are well apparent w/ most of Google's security issues & they tweak android code or implement OTA software patches to rectify the issues; so it's not like the OEMs don't do anythin at all in the face of the problem. It's astonishing though how these security issues never do much in diminishin android's dominance in the mobile phone space. It goes to show that some of these supposed security threats are just minor or easily avoidable. Once you hear 'security threats' you immediately rush to another OS like seriously? Many people use android phones in the corporate space, not to mention IT staff as well. Your security issues are just rubbish man. You say lollipop is buggy but wasn't iOS 8 buggy as well? Your thinkin is astoundin. "Apple wanted to figure out a better way to implement the widget concept,.." Come on man seriously. The widgets on iOS 8 are badly implemented & a whole lot buggy. You have an iOS 8 device yourself are you tellin me that's the best implementation you've seen so far. Come on man stop the unnecessary bias. The widgets are overly populated onto one vertical tray & it all looks cluttered. Of all Apple implementations that's one of their worst ever & here you are in typical fanboyism fashion praisin them for it. Are you sure you got your mind & everything workin together? I fail to see that really no offense.

307. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

The average person is not going to go through these lists of way stop avoid security threats. The average person is clueless about the topic. But they still bought a f**king phone with security problems that the OS developer KNEW ABOUT, yet choose to do nothing about it. They can't do anything about it? f**k YOU. They can do something about it when they first found out. The whole thing sounds like it was surrounding FLASH and that all of these versions of Android that support FLASH have this problem and they don't want to admit that since they were idiots and supported FLASH on Android so they could sucker children like you into thinking that they had to have flash to watch YouTube videos, for which Google makes money from Flash based videos. That's the sucker job. I hope Google and Company get their collective asses sued for that. They have given me every single bit of ammunition to not want to buy anything with a Google OS. Why are you trying to protect Google? If Apple did the same thing, I'd be pretty damn pissed off, but they didn't, they said PUBLICLY that FLASH for mobile devices SUCKS and they WERE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT. That's GUTS and HONESTY. I admire that about Jobs. He was also trying to get Adobe to get Flash on the desktop to be removed or made more secure because the biggest problems Apple has had in the malware department were Flash and Java based, which are not Apple's, so it's hard for Apple to fix something that doesn't belong to them. But Google IGNORED telling users about the security problems of Flash for mobile devices, but they suckered you into it with the ads that touted how they support Flash being a great thing. It wasn't a good idea and you and Google and other idiots are trying to ignore it like it never happened.

302. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Your friends said the pens sucked but are your friends the majority of the market that buy the note line-up? Just w/ every product, you will have people critizin it & another respectable number of people lovin it. By the same token, numerous people hate the iphone so that point is undeniably stupid. The fact that they could never find a use for the pens is irrelevant. Thats them! It hardly dictates what the rest if us feel about the pens. You tell me to get it straight that the s-pen is Wacom? Who doesn't know that & who denied that to you? Samsung better implemented the s-pen & thats why they successful w/ the note line-up. Time & time again I push that point & yet you get it all wrong. Its not a question of who created the pen but who better implemented it & hence who innovated it. People know damn well that Apple didn't create the music player but that they better implemented it w/ the i-pod. Gees get me right the first time man. The fact that you don't see a need for the s-pen doesn't mean anythin. That's you! Your mindset is that since you got no use for it, the rest of us don't either? Please! Don't be narrow-minded & take into consideration that many people actually use the s-pen & consequently value it's existence. One editor from this website wrote a recent review on the galaxy note edge & he mentions that he personally thought that he could never have a useful function for the s-pen but as he got to use it, he saw it's unappreciated usefulness & got to understand why it's an underlying factor to Samsung's success w/ the note line-up. He even goes to say that he has been using the s-pen quite more often ever since. This speaks for most of the note users out there as far as initial impressions go & the prevailin experiences thereof. I couldn't help but laugh at your statement: "It's not that big of a deal to draw on a smartphone." Now who ever said the s-pen is meant for drawin or that it's predominantly meant for that feature alone? Being able to draw w/ the s-pen is an added bonus. There's a plethora of features the s-pen is meant for & it will be exhaustin to list them all up. I personally use it for navigatin websites, seeing that you can hover over links or specific areas of a website & see additional info just as you would on a typical desktop mouse. You can easily copy & paste text/images without the need of that ridiculous long-press action that becomes too cumbersome especially if you doing a lot of copyin & pastin. This is just a few of many other useful features. How's that a gimmick if I may ask? If you can't see the usefulness thereof then you're dumb as hell.

301. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

You're a lot older? So what? Does that make you any more knowledgeable than I am? Funny Mr. If anyone's stupid it's you & your ridiculous claims to knowin things better than everyone else. I've 0% experience in workin for corporations but do you need to work in a corporation in order to know that if a consumer doesn't have a need then the solution wont work? Gees what a smart guy you are. Do you need to jump off a 60 foot building in order to know that you will die in the process? You're just a grown-up w/ the mind of a teenager. Lol.. never felt so excited to be this young & talkin practical sense into some glorified 'corporate guru' of sorts. Lol you crack me. Anyway, let me see if i can push some logic through, Mr.. You talk about "You have NO experience working with IT staff to find out what their NEEDS are"? Is the mobile phone market solely comprised of IT staff? Lol.. funny. Do you know what innovatin is? Its not merely makin changes to things that already exist but also bringin new ideas & products. So addressin a need is not always the ideal & most effective direction to take. Needless to say, that's the very thinkin behind every single successful firm's era in mobile phone dominance from the likes of Nokia & BlackBerry. You brag about Apples' profits do you think they generate those profits by just addressin consumers' needs? Apple didnt want a stylus on their first generation iphone because they never saw the need & use of it. Don't talk about the crappyness of the tech at the time as being the reason they never considered the idea. At the same time, they explicitly made it clear that big phones were a joke & that a one-handed device was the most logical form factor for a mobile phone. That goes to show that Apple doesnt know sh*t as you people perceive. They only addressed the big phone market after they realized how miserably wrong they were & how Samsung was makin fortunes from the phablet niche market. Profit-driven thinkin is what made Apple eventually make the 6 plus. Their original thinkin & stance on the phablet market was thrown out of the window like it never happened. You talk about "..but Apple just didn't go into that direction and that's one of the reasons why they gained in market share,.." Whos been lyin to you all these years? Or you just as misinformed as the rest of them Apple fanboys? Lol.. you a joke. The way you praise Apple is just mindblowin.

300. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

You're a lot older? So what? Does that make you any more knowledgeable than I am? Funny Mr. If anyone's stupid it's you & your ridiculous claims to knowin things better than everyone else. I've 0% experience in workin for corporations but do you need to work in a corporation in order to know that if a consumer doesn't have a need then the solution wont work? Gees what a smart guy you are. Do you need to jump off a 60 foot building in order to know that you will die in the process? You're just a grown-up w/ the mind of a teenager. Lol.. never felt so excited to be this young & talkin practical sense into some glorified 'corporate guru' of sorts. Lol you crack me. Anyway, let me see if i can push some logic through, Mr.. You talk about "You have NO experience working with IT staff to find out what their NEEDS are"? Is the mobile phone market solely comprised of IT staff? Lol.. funny. Do you know what innovatin is? Its not merely makin changes to things that already exist but also bringin new ideas & products. So addressin a need is not always the ideal & most effective direction to take. Needless to say, that's the very thinkin behind every single successful firm's era in mobile phone dominance from the likes of Nokia & BlackBerry. You brag about Apples' profits do you think they generate those profits by just addressin consumers' needs? Apple didnt want a stylus on their first generation iphone because they never saw the need & use of it. Don't talk about the crappyness of the tech at the time as being the reason they never considered the idea. At the same time, they explicitly made it clear that big phones were a joke & that a one-handed device was the most logical form factor for a mobile phone. That goes to show that Apple doesnt know sh*t as you people perceive. They only addressed the big phone market after they realized how miserably wrong they were & how Samsung was makin fortunes from the phablet niche market. Profit-driven thinkin is what made Apple eventually make the 6 plus. Their original thinkin & stance on the phablet market was thrown out of the window like it never happened. You talk about "..but Apple just didn't go into that direction and that's one of the reasons why they gained in market share,.." Whos been lyin to you all these years? Or you just as misinformed as the rest of them Apple fanboys? Lol.. you a joke. The way you praise Apple is just mindblowin.

299. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

You're a lot older? So what? Does that make you any more knowledgeable than I am? Funny Mr. If anyone's stupid it's you & your ridiculous claims to knowin things better than everyone else. I've 0% experience in workin for corporations but do you need to work in a corporation in order to know that if a consumer doesn't have a need then the solution wont work? Gees what a smart guy you are. Do you need to jump off a 60 foot building in order to know that you will die in the process? You're just a grown-up w/ the mind of a teenager. Lol.. never felt so excited to be this young & talkin practical sense into some glorified 'corporate guru' of sorts. Lol you crack me. Anyway, let me see if i can push some logic through, Mr.. You talk about "You have NO experience working with IT staff to find out what their NEEDS are"? Is the mobile phone market solely comprised of IT staff? Lol.. funny. Do you know what innovatin is? Its not merely makin changes to things that already exist but also bringin new ideas & products. So addressin a need is not always the ideal & most effective direction to take. Needless to say, that's the very thinkin behind every single successful firm's era in mobile phone dominance from the likes of Nokia & BlackBerry. You brag about Apples' profits do you think they generate those profits by just addressin consumers' needs? Apple didnt want a stylus on their first generation iphone because they never saw the need & use of it. Don't talk about the crappyness of the tech at the time as being the reason they never considered the idea. At the same time, they explicitly made it clear that big phones were a joke & that a one-handed device was the most logical form factor for a mobile phone. That goes to show that Apple doesnt know sh*t as you people perceive. They only addressed the big phone market after they realized how miserably wrong they were & how Samsung was makin fortunes from the phablet niche market. Profit-driven thinkin is what made Apple eventually make the 6 plus. Their original thinkin & stance on the phablet market was thrown out of the window like it never happened. You talk about "..but Apple just didn't go into that direction and that's one of the reasons why they gained in market share,.." Whos been lyin to you all these years? Or you just as misinformed as the rest of them Apple fanboys? Lol.. you a joke. The way you praise Apple is just mindblowin.

305. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Yungcole. The only thing I'm going to tell you is that SECURITY is a big deal, OS updating on a timely basis, apps, 3rd party accessories, after sale support, ease of use, price, features, etc. etc.. are all factors for people/companies. Everyone has their own list of factors that make up the reason for buying a product or not buying a product. You make a LOT of assumptions sometimes with out any merit as you seem to pull a lot of things out of your rear end. EVERY company is profit driven, Samsung, Apple, etc. So you seem to think that the 6+ is profit driven and the Note 4 isn't?? At the very beginning when the iPhone hit the market, I was on the fence because in the beginning, I didn't see the model have the right feature set for me to buy one. So I waited. Just because I use their products does not mean I ahare in EVERYTHING Jobs stood for or said. So that's your flaw in your reasoning. Now, something you DON'T know. I used to email Jobs with product ideas/features and I know for a FACT that I was the initial person with the idea and they implemented it. What I suggested to Jobs was a specific feature set for a smartphone, but I didn't list the size of the screen. For me, most people just were looking at smartphones as something small, and most people for many years were buying nothing but small 3.5inch form factor. People didn't want big bulky smartphones and the market, for many years sells more smaller sized smartphones. I think it was still the case until last year when Apple released their larger screen sizes.. Now when I bought my first iPhone, I would have preferred a larger screen size, but until I have a product in my hands, it's hard to tell what size screen. I could give a rip about what Jobs said about smaller screen sizes. You seem to think that I only listen to Jobs and think that no matter what they do, they are right. NOPE. Doesn't work that way. Back 7 years ago, big phones were a joke because it wasn't until just recently could they make a large screen phone that's THIN, decent battery life, powerful enough so it doesn't get laggy. The first 4 years worth of larger screen sizes SUCKED. So in a way, just because Apple decided to wait until last year is just their way of addressing the market. And while they lost some market share, they are gaining it. if you want to look at it from a market share standpoint. For the Enterprise Customer, that's who decides what product they are going to buy. So, if an IBM, which tens of thousands of employees, to GE with HUNDREDS of thousands of employees it's the IT departments that go through the selection process which is much more comprehensive and thourough before they decide what product/company to buy. And in the Enterprise market, Apple has about 70%.

298. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

You're a lot older? So what? Does that make you any more knowledgeable than I am? Funny Mr. If anyone's stupid it's you & your ridiculous claims to knowin things better than everyone else. I've 0% experience in workin for corporations but do you need to work in a corporation in order to know that if a consumer doesn't have a need then the solution wont work? Gees what a smart guy you are. Do you need to jump off a 60 foot building in order to know that you will die in the process? You're just a grown-up w/ the mind of a teenager. Lol.. never felt so excited to be this young & talkin practical sense into some glorified 'corporate guru' of sorts. Lol you crack me. Anyway, let me see if i can push some logic through, Mr.. You talk about "You have NO experience working with IT staff to find out what their NEEDS are"? Is the mobile phone market solely comprised of IT staff? Lol.. funny. Do you know what innovatin is? Its not merely makin changes to things that already exist but also bringin new ideas & products. So addressin a need is not always the ideal & most effective direction to take. Needless to say, that's the very thinkin behind every single successful firm's era in mobile phone dominance from the likes of Nokia & BlackBerry. You brag about Apples' profits do you think they generate those profits by just addressin consumers' needs? Apple didnt want a stylus on their first generation iphone because they never saw the need & use of it. Don't talk about the crappyness of the tech at the time as being the reason they never considered the idea. At the same time, they explicitly made it clear that big phones were a joke & that a one-handed device was the most logical form factor for a mobile phone. That goes to show that Apple doesnt know sh*t as you people perceive. They only addressed the big phone market after they realized how miserably wrong they were & how Samsung was makin fortunes from the phablet niche market. Profit-driven thinkin is what made Apple eventually make the 6 plus. Their original thinkin & stance on the phablet market was thrown out of the window like it never happened. You talk about "..but Apple just didn't go into that direction and that's one of the reasons why they gained in market share,.." Whos been lyin to you all these years? Or you just as misinformed as the rest of them Apple fanboys? Lol.. you a joke. The way you praise Apple is just mindblowin.

294. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

I could have guessed that you are a teenager. Young, Dumb and full of nonsense. Seriously, I DON'T CARE. The sPEN is NOT a Samsung Innovation. You claimed several times that the sPen is a Samsung innovation and were making it a big deal. It's a WACOM innovation. Plus, you thinking I and everyone else needs one because the Note 4 has one is irrelevant. Only people that want one will buy it and obviously the majority of the phablet buyers aren't buying them, only SOME.... I don't USE Sylus'. OK? So I was wrong about that specific aspect of it. So, what? It's plainly obvious that people just aren't lining up to buy your STUPID NOTE 4 because of the pen. It's NOT as big of a seller. Is Apple going to have the same thing in future iPhones? Not that I'm aware of, they are doing something with a future 12" tablet, because for that sized of a product,it makes sense. But for a smartphone phablet, it doesn't. You're screen isn't a large tablet sized screen is it? NO, it isn't. No, the majority of the people on this site don't use shorthand. Go to F-Secure Labs, they mention all of the malware, the different variants, how to check, and how to get rid of. seriously, go to F-Secure labs and go read their Mobile Threat report. But previously, you said that MOST users are using KIT KAT. 39% is NOT most users. It's less than 50%. Most users are using a previous version of Android. Most users aren't even using their latest OS Lollipop, which has bugs.

293. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

I made it clear in the 2nd paragraph that kitkat accounts for 39.1% & not 60%. What are the security issues you so happen to be waxin lyrical about? Can you explain to me exactly what these security issues entail & whether or not they make jellybean devices totally security-flawed & consequently unusable. My main point still stands: whos buyin jellybean devices at this point in time when every new device comes w/ kitkat right off the box? Presumably you buy premium smartphones yourself so in that regard, what contemporary android phone has these security issues? Surely, jellybean doesnt exist on these devices so whats the whole idea behind critizin jellybean & every other version prior to it? Its as if you sayin you wont buy an android phone because of the security problems present on old versions of android. Thats absurd. Your logic is trully astonishin. The note 4 was the main topic of discussion so can you please tell me what security issues are present on the device. Your criticism is terribly irrelevant & far-off. You said yourself that your buyin decision isnt affected by devices of old so why we talkin about jellybean & its respective shortcomings to security? Whether or not I think the s-pen is a Samsung innovation is totally irrelevant. The truth of the matter is that the s-pen is one of the core drivin forces behind Samsungs success w/ its phablet line-up. Even if it so happens to be a Wacom pen, so what? That doesnt seem to upset the strong upward sales trajectory of the note line-up does it now? Its hardly a question of whether or not the s-pen is a Samsung innovation but rather a question of who implements the pen better. A number of OEMs have implemented Wacom pens way before Samsung but failed to highlight the prowess & advantages of havin the additional hardware. Numerous Apple innovations were not Apple innovations in the strict sense of the word. They were rather better implementations of what existed before. Samsung did the same w/ the s-pen so whats your deal here? Im actually 17 & very eager to know your age. The majority of people on these forums use shorthand & hows my shorthand any different to theirs? & even so, so what? Ive responded to many articles on this website & no one else but you has this insanely ridiculous problem w/ my shorthand. You talk about maturity level when youre the one whos consistently dissin me on every single post. Lol so much of a grown-up you are. I aint go stoop low to your level. Your maturity level is way below a 5 year olds beyond a reasonable doubt. Word!

295. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

I'm a lot older than a teenager. But I'm not as stupid as you. See the thing is this. You have 0% experience working for corporations and working in the REAL world. You are still in high school. You have no college degree. I have several of them. You haven't got any experience working with large corporate and government customers selling IT hardware, software, services to provide a REAL solution to the customer's problem. You have NO experience working with IT Staff to find out what their NEEDS are. You have your whole concept backwards. If the consumer doesn't have a need, then the solution you have may not work. You have to figure out the problem. With Stylus on a PHONE, Apple didn't want to have stylus, because they used to be crappy and the original iPhone was designed to not use a stylus, but your fingers. Apple didn't bother with the phablet market until recently. Samsung went into that direction and that's one of the reasons why they gained in market share, but Apple just didn't go into that direction until they could make a product fast enough, rather than putting out laggy BS, which is what Samsung and others were doing for about 3 years or so. Apple also had to increase their production capacity to make enough to meet demand. So, while Samsung is getting all INNOVATIVE about a Screen size and using a stylus, their products from the original Note, Note 2, Note 3 were pieces of s**t. I know, I used a freind's Note 2 and have other friends with Note 3's. They all said the pens SUCKED and it was a pain in the ass to use them. OK, so the sPen is a much better design, but it's not Samsung's, it's Wacom, so get that straight,. But do most people even want to use a Sylus on a phone? I don't, I don't see the need for it. It's not that big of a deal to draw on a smartphone. Now, if I was a graphic designer, etc. and wanted something then yeah, it would make more sense having a tablet with a pen and that's something Apple is working on.But they are working on something that's similar to your Wacom, but with other patented technology that your Wacom doesn't have. Again, I have no need for a styus for a phone, and before you assert that EVERYONE NEEDS one, is to put a solution in the hands of people that don't have the need. Now, some people simply don't want to buy or use an Android device. Do you understand? I don't get suckered into flashy gimmicks that Samsung and other Android mfg put in their products. Security is a number one issue for me, and if that platform has too much malware, then it FAILS in the area of SECURITY. Here's what happens in the OS world, if the OS isn't that secure to begin with, what happens is the hackers dream up malware for a platform until they plug up the holes. Google IS not plugging up the wholes in 60% of their current install base of users. That to me is a TOTAL lack of concern on Google's part and I simply will NEVER use Android OS.

296. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

The other thing is I don't care about what SOME teengers want. Most teenagers just want something to brag about. That's HIGH SCHOOL MENTALITY. They don't know a damn thing about what the Enterprise Customers want or need because they have 0 experience in that area. You have absolutely NO experience and NO knowledge of the Enterprise market. In that market, Apple has about 70% market share and it's due largely because of Security, Administration of the devices, ease of use and APPLICATIONS. IBM, which is has a portforlio of about 100 BUSINESS APPLICATIONS for a VARIETY of Enterprise customers and they are writing Apps for Apple iOS devices and they partnered up with Apple KNOWING what the smartphone and tablet products are on the market, they know the concerns of the Enterprise customer and they know which platform is going to serve the needs of the Enterprise Customer. The Enterprise customer looks at things like Security, OS updates, timeliness of updates, ease of use, applications, after sale support, etc. etc. in the areas that the Enterprise customer looks at, Android FAILS, Apple excels in these areas. People that would use a stylus on a smartphone is VERY small. Plus, they do have stylus pens for Apple that Wacom and others sell. Are they the same as the sPen? Obviously not, but in the Enterprise market, it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. For me personally? It's not a big deal, it's INCONVIENENT to have to pull out the stylus and go back and forth between a stylus and your fingers on a smartphone. For a tablet, it makes sense if you are using graphics based apps, but obviously, it's NOT a big market and people will use what they want to. Now, with with that said, you need to grow up. Apple has come out with plenty of innovations that WORK. Here's another MYTH you seem to not understand. An innovation is worthless if the innovation was poorly designed. If the innovation was designed properly and it solved a problem that people had and need, then it's a worthwhile innovation. Samsung had bumping phones. And most people didn't USE that feature, I think it's a dumb feature rather than being able to wirelessly transmit the same information. Apple instead implemented their AirDrop technology, which to me is a BETTER solution. You don't have to go around bumping phones, looking like a retard. Widgets? If widgets aren't implemented well, then it's a bad implementation. Widgets on Android phones had two major problems. They created too much lag in the device because they took up too much resources, Apple wanted to figure out a better way to implement the widget concept, But Widgets originally came out on Apple OS X and Apple used the term WIDGETS many YEARS ago. It's a feature/concept that's been around. Yeah, you can brag about having widgets first, but you ignore the fact that they created a laggy phone experience and it made it so you have to spend a lot of time swiping through pages of widgets. FAIL.

297. drblank

Posts: 58; Member since: Nov 22, 2014

Again, your original statements were that Kit Kat has the majority of the market, but you were wrong until I pointed out that it only has about 39% of the install base and that most users are using Jelly Bean and eariler. That's the area that I was talking about because Google won't fix the known security problems plaguing that market. Is Kit Kat secure? NOPE. It was recently hacked with a NFC hack on a Samsung S5 and that same hack can be done on other models that uses NFC and Kit Kat. The thing is that Google is just going to have ongoing security issues because the OS isn't locked down and sandboxed. to prevent all sorts of Malware and ways to hack these products. Does Apple has security issues to address? Sure, but they deal with those problems MUCH faster when they find a security problem OR they don't have the problem because their OS is locked down and sandboxed. To you security isn't a big deal because you seem to think that you have no malware. Well, how do you know? You don't know how to check for all of the different variants and actually do the checking on a regular basis because you have to do that frequently to ensure you are malware free. I don't have to spend time doing that because there isn't any malware to begin with unless i jailbreak the phone, which I will NOT do. Apple innovated the original IPhone before these Android copies came out. The original Android phone had a keypad which was more of a Blackberry design, but obviously the keypad design isn't what people want. As far as innovations, Apple's didn't implement NFC and Mobile Pay because it wasn't secure and it took a while for them to figure out how to make it secure and they need to roll out their payment platform and OBVIOUSLY it's taking off quite well as people WANT a secure mobile payment system, for which Google isn't. Don't get so caught up with Innovations as much as it's the EXECUTION of the innovation and whether or not the innovation is USEFUL. If it's not executed well or not not useful, then it being an innovation is useless. You also are talking in generalities about Apple. Please don't do that, it shows a tremendous amount of ignorance on your part. Apple innovated the mobile device design concept that changed EVERYONE'S perception of mobile devices and Android is a copy of that inherent design and it will always look like a copy because it is. How well they execute their features is another story. So far, very few Android features have been executed well.

286. yungcole

Posts: 32; Member since: Sep 23, 2014

Kitkat & jellybean represent as much as 85.1% of the market. Jellybean has the biggest piece at 46%, w/ the runner-up bein kitkat at a staggerin 39.1%. Thats only a difference of 6.9%. Kitkat is fast outpacin jellybean as most new devices will most definitely come w/ kitkat right off the box. So all that 60% install base info of yours is false! Get your facts right will you. You dont care about my shorthand,.. EXCELLENT! If it makes me look stupid then you might as well say that everyone else on this forum is stupid my friend. You seem to think that im the only one who solely uses shorthand when every other person on this forum seems to be doin the same?? How odd. Is it because im disagreein w/ every point you have to say? Presumably. Its my preferred choice of writin & will most definitely stay that way. Tough luck on that one. "You need to get a grasp on reality"? Lol how so though? You expect me not to use shorthand on a goddamn forum are you for real? Well sorry to disappoint but you can forget it my friend. My shorthand doesn seem to be stoppin you from readin my posts in any case so hell w/ that. Im brainwashed by samsung & google? How so though.. You a hater as far as im concerned. I mean you deliberately use false information about the 60% install base to arguably persuade the rest of us of whatever nonsense you tryna push through. Thats lame my friend. If anythin youre the one displayin childish characteristics here by usin deceptive information to convince people that apple is the way to go. Tell yourself what you want but youre brainwashed w/ apple, definitely more than I can say of the rest of us who proudly support google & samsung. Most people dont root their phones & thats 100% correct. In case you got lost, youre the one who said that flash is a security concern so hows it goin to be a concern if most people dont root their phones & consequently install flash? Lol what a pity. As far as im concerned you exactly supportin my angle here. So we both agree that most people wont install flash right? After all it requires them to root their phones in the process right? So whys this flash thing such a problem w/ you as far as android security is concerned. Gees you definitely all over the place. Your points have been largely based on deliberately false outdated info & thats ridiculous comin from someone explicitly tellin me that I look stupid. Lol what a joke. Props mr dr_BLANK for the laughs & foolin around ;)

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