U.S. government reportedly tells allies to stop using Huawei products

U.S. government reportedly tells allies to stop using Huawei products
Last month, a pair of U.S. Senators sent a letter to Justin Trudeau, telling the Canadian Prime Minister that he should prevent any Huawei technology from being used in the build out of Canada's 5G network. The letter was sent four months after senior U.S. lawmakers urged their Canadian counterparts to consider Huawei a threat to Canada's national security. Today, a report in the Wall Street Journal says that the U.S. has expanded its warnings about Huawei to reach all of its allies.

Going back to 2012, U.S. lawmakers have considered Chinese manufacturers Huawei and ZTE to be threats to U.S. national security. This is due to speculation that products from the pair "spy" on American consumers and corporations and send this information to the Chinese government. Earlier this year, the U.S. government allegedly told AT&T and Verizon to cancel their plans to carry the Huawei Mate 10 Pro in their stores. Huawei is the second largest smartphone manufacturer in the world after Samsung.

The Journal says that the U.S. has spoken to allies who already use Huawei networking equipment; those countries include Germany, Italy and Japan. According to the report, the U.S. is thinking about increasing the amount of financial aid it provides to countries for telecommunications development if they promise not to use equipment made by Chinese based companies.

In North America, Nokia is the leader in providing networking equipment, followed by Ericsson. However, Huawei is the leader in Europe and the Asian-Pacific market. Globally, Huawei has a leading 22% share of the global telecom-equipment market. Nokia and Huawei are next with 13% and 11% respectively. ZTE has a 10% slice of the pie.

Over the last few years, both Huawei and ZTE have denied that their products collect information for the Chinese government. Huawei released a statement today that says it is "surprised by the behaviors of the U.S. government. If a government’s behavior extends beyond its jurisdiction, such activity should not be encouraged."

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1. ReticentHamster

Posts: 153; Member since: Jan 19, 2015

This whole thing just reeks of foul play. They're afraid of China spying on us through our Huawei phones? Given, I don't have all the facts of how spying is carried out but... isn't it kind of ironic that iPhones and Galaxy phones are built in... China? Why is the U.S. Government so dead set against Huawei when (it would seem to me) it would be just as easy to spy through an iPhone or Galaxy? I feel like the real reason has to do with Huawei being a threat to some interest the U.S. has in terms of control, and little, or nothing to do with "security concerns." Perhaps they simply don't want Huawei to get too big, since they've already overtaken Apple. Or could it be that, without Western control, the U.S. wouldn't be able to gather information for themselves off of Huawei handsets? Whatever the case, I don't believe that the purported reasons for banning Huawei are the whole truth. Something's going on behind the scenes. It's a shame, too, because Huawei makes some darn good hardware.

4. lyndon420

Posts: 6494; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

Maybe there's something about Huawei devices that makes it hard or impossible for our own governments to spy on us? It really does seem shady.

23. mootu

Posts: 1409; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"Maybe there's something about Huawei devices that makes it hard or impossible for our own governments to spy on us? It really does seem shady" You have hit the nail on the head. Huawei has always denied foreign governments access to it's microcode and this has always pi$$ed off the US as without it they cannot monitor everything the device does.

56. osterrich21

Posts: 186; Member since: Apr 14, 2017

Or is it because Huawei overtook Apple as the world's second-largest smartphone maker?America's interest first...

10. Deadeye37

Posts: 288; Member since: Jan 25, 2011

Its one thing for phones, but a different thing for the WAN devices that they're warning about. They have the ability to basically snoop on all traffic coming through. So, basically, it wouldn't matter what phone you're using because the tower you're connected to, or the routers that are sending the data to wherever is what is doing the snooping. Anyways, this still bugs me because there hasn't been any proof that they're doing it, just a suspicion. Suspicions are usually well founded, but its also very easy to turn into an tinfoil hat situation, which I feel like the Trump administration is all wearing.

12. Venom

Posts: 3109; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I always say where there's smoke, there's fire.

26. Aruminiumaian

Posts: 209; Member since: Jul 22, 2017

Unless somebody is intentionally making a smoke in an attempt to make it look like there's fire.

28. Venom

Posts: 3109; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Can't have smoke without fire. Definitely not a tinfoil hat situation that's being exaggerated despite what some people think.

32. meanestgenius

Posts: 21453; Member since: May 28, 2014

Exactly. It’s a tinfoil hat situation with intentional smoke being made to make it look like a fire, despite what some people think.

47. Venom

Posts: 3109; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Apparently can't have some people not blow smoke just because they aren't capable of putting out fires that they start.

52. meanestgenius

Posts: 21453; Member since: May 28, 2014

Apparently can't have some people stop blowing smoke because they are incapable of actually starting a fire to begin with.

60. Venom

Posts: 3109; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Apparently some people don't understand that I don't start the fire. I just make it bigger until I'm done roasting ignorance.

63. meanestgenius

Posts: 21453; Member since: May 28, 2014

Apparently some people can't understand that not only can't they start a fire, they couldn't roast a marshmallow, much less a person. But they also seem to get their ignorance roasted.

69. Venom

Posts: 3109; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I don't start fires like some people do. Like I said before, I just make it bigger until I get done roasting with the truth and the cold hard facts.

74. meanestgenius

Posts: 21453; Member since: May 28, 2014

Some people don't start fires because they can't even get a spark going. So there is no way that they can roast anyone with anything.

14. meanestgenius

Posts: 21453; Member since: May 28, 2014

This definitely feels like a “tinfoil hat” situation to me, and it’s being exaggerated by the current administration.

18. Subie

Posts: 2295; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

@Deadeye, whatever hard evidence the CIA's gathered in the past is clearly not being divulged to the public. It's easy to find articles on it dating back to 2012, 2013, long before the current administration. Though this narrative does seem to fit well with their America first attitude. Here's one article I've read on it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-security/former-cia-boss-says-aware-of-evidence-huawei-spying-for-china-idUSBRE96I06I20130719 There could very well be truth to all and this and we the public are just kept in the dark. I'd be cautious before condemning the Gov just because the current administration is less popular. However, intel can also be wrong at times. Remember - Intelligence told us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction...

19. Shubham412302

Posts: 564; Member since: Nov 09, 2011

FBI's head, Christopher Wray, explains that Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei, is a former officer in the People's Liberation Army and this poses a risk as it gives the tech giant a lot of control and may conduct undetected espionage. Source-gsmarena

24. mootu

Posts: 1409; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Half the sodding population of China are former menbers of the PLA, that doen't mean they are spies. Ren Zhengfei left the army when his time was up and started a business refurbishing used routers. The guy built this up into the worlds largest telecommunication equipment manufacturer through hard graft. Good luck to him i say.

21. p51d007

Posts: 700; Member since: Nov 24, 2013

I think this has more to do about the cell tower equipment, than the handsets.

22. AbhiD

Posts: 602; Member since: Apr 06, 2012

Here come the Huawei fanboys! The thing is, Chinese dictator govt is spying on people around the world via Huawei, ZTE etc and their equipments. Huawei has always been a shady company. They have lied repeatedly, have people controlling their company from China's army, have products of questionable quality. And no, US doesn't fear Huawei taking over Apple. Why would it? Hasn't Samsung done so to Apple long back? When was the last time US tried to ban Samsung? Never! What confirms the suspicion is that Huawei and ZTE are always the target. No one targets OnePlus, Vivo, Oppo, Xiaomi. Aren't they chinese as well? Yes, they are. But they don't have questionable background and ethics like Huawei and ZTE, who are repeat offenders. And not just other US allies, India too has shadow banned Huawei equipments in it's govt usage. Also the government owned telecom carrier BSNL was to purchase 5G equipments from Huawei but govt put out an advisory against it. Now BSNL has partnered with Ericsson and Nokia for equipments. If everyone is having issues with these 2 specific companies, that means there are issues.

25. mootu

Posts: 1409; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Why would the US Gov ban Samsung? South Korea is the US's biggest allie in Asia, whereas the US classes China as the enemy. As for your comment as why the don't ban Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi etc? The reason is simple, the don't manufacture telecommunications equipment, just phones. If there was any truth to this then why would the UK Gov (worlds biggest spies) build almost all our infostructure for 4G and 5G on Huawei equipment.? Three who were one of the last carriers in the UK using Nokia for it's network equipment have just dropped them for Huawei for it's 5G rollout. You are acting like the typical Indian who hates anything that is Chinese other than OnePlus or Xiaomi.

31. heyhoa

Posts: 36; Member since: Jul 18, 2014

Huawei is basically Chinese communist party owned company. Huawei is an unlisted company. The founder holds a 1.4% stake only in the company and the rest stake belongs to the employees. If somebody quits the job, he/she should give up stock holder's right immediately. Anyone can tell who is the real owner of the company. China gov. can fully take the control of the company if they want anytime.

79. mahalo15

Posts: 64; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

And you are acting like typical "50 cent party" worker.

27. Aruminiumaian

Posts: 209; Member since: Jul 22, 2017

BBK and Xiaomi are not targeted because they are not involved in producing 5G equipments. Huawei and ZTE are, and US government doesn't want them to take a lead on the 5G development.

36. strategic_developer

Posts: 1627; Member since: Jul 17, 2018

Yes the threat is a totally against Apple. FYI Samsung makes some phones in China. Many of their phones are made in Korea. Which is why Samaung is 25% GDP along with other products. This whole thing is to prevent the downfall of Apple. I am better when Cook spoke with Trump, Truml told Cook he has to pay the tariffs, but will prevent more competition so that apple can enjoy profits and be able to pay them. Its all a sham. But it's ok, because Apple is gonna go down in every other country Huaqei and ZTE sell phones. And yes China could easily spy with the iPhone. After all the US has already been proven to be able to access any phone on ATT and TMO network because they are GSM. In fact PA had an article lame time back that explain how the Feds can remotely access an iPhone and activate the cameras and mics without you knowing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/money/2014/06/06/technology/security/nsa-turn-on-phone/index.html

58. SmartPhoneMobiles

Posts: 176; Member since: Oct 16, 2016

Of course it is not about some crappy spying n sht .. those who stupidly and naively believe it is bcos of ''some spy'' ir idiots.. The main reason is dat cook wen to trump crying about Huawei getting better that's it and if usa ppl will buy huawei phones apple is doomed .. u all u running windows 10's or using google.. what u think u aren't already spied ? haha u fools.. but nobody cares about ordinary ppl to be spied on .. u are not interested in them .. if someone wants to spy on somebody .. usa or russia or china or eu .. it won't be YOU boys here .. but completely different ppl .. Dis is just simple trick from craple to scare idiots who beleve dis sht thank you ..

80. mahalo15

Posts: 64; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

Apple doesn't even manufacture any telecom equipment other than phones. They are already behind competition. If Trump want Apple to beat Huawei why would he threaten to slap 10-25% tariff on Apple phones. Too many contradictions, your argument doesn't make any sense.

2. maherk

Posts: 6703; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

Ironic considering that this is coming from the Americans. Just few weeks ago, Europeans were advising their government officials to stop using their iPhones, simply because they're afraid that they were getting spied on by the Americans.

5. darkkjedii

Posts: 30833; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Pot meet kettle bro. There’re all dirty, and spying.

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