Apple: the new iPhone 8/Plus and X need less power management, as they come with 'hardware updates'

Apple: the new iPhone 8/Plus and X need less power management, as they come with 'hardware updates'
Apple's iPhone throttling saga continued on Tuesday with a response letter to questions from the Senate committee investigation, from where we learned that it may offer rebates to those who paid full price for swapping their batteries before the $29 consolation price kicked in. Tucked into those questions were a few from Senator John Thune, who demanded to know whether Apple will be engaged in throttling its newer handsets like the iPhone X or 8, too. Well, the head of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation now has his answers:


Apple's initial statement on the matter that said "we’ve extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future" still seemingly holds true for the new iPhones as well, though it may not be to the aggressive levels of their predecessors. Oh, well.

source: Apple

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32 Comments

3. mootu

Posts: 1376; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

They didn't answer the question they were asked. "And, in the case of hot temperature, the performance management ensures that the device stays within safety limits. Such basic performance management is required for safety and expected function, and cannot be turned off" The throttling issue is due to not enough power in the battery to perform a task under heavy load, therefore inducing a shutdown or throttling under the software. Nothing to do with heat management.

6. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1162; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

This might be the very reason Apple opted to use a hexacore CPU with 4 lower power cores. I'm guessing thay if batteries degrade to the extent that the supercores can't optimally perform anymore, they instead offload it to the smaller cores and divide it among them to reduce the strain on the battery. This would result in minimal performance loss overall, which also would make sense why Apple made them as powerful as the performance cores of the SD835. They anticipated the battery degradation and the inability of the supercores to perform with a crippled battery and devised a hardware solution to still allow the iPhone to keep working almost as it should. It would also mean that performance during heavy load tasks would be sliced in half. So while not throttling per say, they are reducing performance. That's what I would assume their hardware solution would be.

5. xfire99

Posts: 1205; Member since: Mar 14, 2012

They didnt answered the question at all. "iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models include hardware updates that allow a more advanced performance management system that more precisely allows iOS to anticipate and avoid an unexpected shutdown." It sounds like they moved throttling to hardware level and users dont have a choice to disable the throttling at all? Or whatever theirs cryptic answer is. Havent they learned the lesson for over 50 class action law suits now in US and alot others in others countries to be transparent about this?

9. Cat97

Posts: 1729; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

Translate: iPhone 8 does not have the critical hardware bug that makes previous iPhones shutdown unexpectedly.

11. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

Apple, just don’t throttle the phones. Period. Get rid of the software that allows this to happen. This whole thing has become a huge mess for Apple, and the best thing that they can do is do away with it altogether. Just focus on continuing to make good phones, improve the software and user experience, add larger capacity batteries and improved power management for all of your iOS devices. This is how you will regain, keep, and maintain trust in your products. I’m loving my 8 Plus, and want to continue buying iPhones without having to worry about if my phone will be throttled.

13. Anonymous.

Posts: 423; Member since: Jun 15, 2016

"add larger capacity batteries" What? Larger batteries? Next to impossible.

14. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

What the what? Why is adding a larger capacity battery “next to impossible”?

22. worldpeace

Posts: 3092; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

Because it's apple

24. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

I can’t take anything you say about Apple seriously, you don’t like them to begin with.

15. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

You do realize that the 7 Plus has a larger capacity battery than the 6s Plus, right?

20. Boast_Rider

Posts: 531; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

And the 8 plus has smaller battery than the 7 plus. Your point?

25. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

My point was the one that I made. It’s pretty obvious, actually.

21. maherk

Posts: 6684; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

He is being sarcastic while saying that. His point is that Apple wouldn't spend extra money to give you bigger batteries.

26. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

I keep forgetting that it’s the unpopular choice to actually like Apple products around here or even remotely want them to succeed. I’m gonna screenshot this page for safe keeping until the release of the 2018 iPhones. If they put larger capacity batteries in them, I’m going to enjoy reading the excuses people come up with then.

27. Plasticsh1t

Posts: 3090; Member since: Sep 01, 2014

The users here tend to be an Apple hating circle jerk. Most of the comments here are hateful that has nothing to do with tech.

29. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

Totally agree. It’s ridiculous how many comments here on average have absolutely nothing to do with tech.

30. darkkjedii

Posts: 30786; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

What do you like most about iPhones MG? For me, it's background/3rd party services and iCloud. I love how catered to the iPhone is, and restoring is generally a dream. I just wanna see a new UI look, and true split screen multitasking. A theme engine, and Pencil support would be the icing on the cake. I'm very curious about iOS 12, but a lotta YouTubers are saying iOS 12 will be more about refinement vs features.

31. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

I want to see exactly what you want to see with iOS. I would also like it if Apple would open up there Bluetooth file transfer and NFC file transfers so that I can send files, pics, etc that way to devices on other platforms. And larger capacity batteries. BlackBerry smartphones have me spoiled that way, lol. Now as to what I like most about iOS: -The ecosystem. It’s the best in mobile, bar none. -Love iCloud just like you do. It was so awesome to set up my 8 Plus just by having it close to my iPad Pro. -The ability to set any chosen contact to ignore the sound profile set on the phone. If your iPhone is on vibrate or silent, you can set a contact to ignore that setting and make a sound should they call or message you. That was a function that I was sorely missing from BB10 smartphones when I switched to BlackBerry Android phones. -I’m really feeling the camera. iPhones have some of the best cameras in the business. -Apps are generally better on iOS than Android in terms of looks, and sometimes functionality. -The speed in which iOS devices get updates. Even though Apple releases updates that often break functionality elsewhere on their iOS devices, I still love the speed in which they receive them. -The support. Apple supports their devices better than anyone. I don’t mind so much that iOS 12 may focus more on refinement as opposed to features if it puts a stop to the updates that break functionality.

32. darkkjedii

Posts: 30786; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Very well said, I totally agree.

34. meanestgenius

Posts: 21353; Member since: May 28, 2014

Oh, and Force Touch is another thing I love about iOS. I use it all the time. It’s very useful.

23. jove39

Posts: 2137; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Phonearena, add new test case - rerun benchmarks on last year flagships to measure deterioration in performance.

33. Sania

Posts: 97; Member since: Nov 04, 2017

That will be fun...

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