Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845 pegged to debut in early December, new rumored specs pop up
by Peter Kostadinov / Oct 30, 2017, 9:33 AM
Although the majority of Snapdragon 845's hardware specs are still a mystery, a lot is seeimngly known about the chipset. For example, it's expected to boast four Cortex-A75 and another four Cortex-A53 cores which will reportedly offer a 25% performance improvement over the Snapdragon 835. Recent rumors suggest it will be based on a 10nm LPE (Low Power Early) manufacturing process, though we've also heard that it could feature Samsung's LPP (Low Power Plus) technology, which would theoretically increase its performance and improve its power efficiency a lot.
Another exceptional trait of the next high-end Snapdragon could be its modem, which was reportedly built with 5G in mind and supports the mind-boggling LTE Cat. 18, allowing it to theoretically top downlink speeds of 1.2Gbps.
Rumors put the initial supply of Snapdragon 845 units exclusively inside Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S9 and S9+ flagships, which will kind of reiterate last year's Snapdragon 835 initial exclusivity on the S8 and S8+.
As we know more, so will you.
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Looking forward to the 845 as well as the S9+.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 9:41 AM 0
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I might skip the S9 and wait for the Note 9 for that on screen FFS.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:37 AM 5
CPU will still be slower than A11 CPU but Adreno 630 or 640 whatever theyll call it, will be comfortably ahead the A11 GPU
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:01 AM 3
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Who cares if you think it is slower. Who cares if its benches slower. IN day to day tasks the dofference is nearly non-existanct. Great, you went to school and learned that a 2 is bigger than a 1. Big deal. Translation, no one cares who has the faster chip. We care what it does and in Samsung phone, the chips are doing way more. Yeah the A series has been faster at crashing apps per Steve Forbes and other legit tech sites. The Qualcomm and Exynos chips are pushing 4 times the resolution, heavier software, more features and a great deal of high optimization and accuracy. You should view this video -https://www.youtube.com/watch?
As the guy explains in the video. Apple uses co-processors that may help to take the loads off the GPU and CPU. So Apple coding can call up a specific function and say, when this particular metric is introduced, the routine is handle another way which gains a speed advantage.
He also states that Android has lots of direct machine code and many apps are coded with the same language as iOS apps. But it shows that devs may not be making them as good for whatever reason.
It also goes to this that Jobs spoke about - the Megahertz mythhttps://www.youtube.com/watch? v=tPBtXUUeFK0
Intel also now uses less pipes, which increase processing time per clock, which is likely what Apple moved to Intel because the chips perform better vs PPC.
Also most OEM's who use ARM chips, don't change them like Apple does. But the Exynos has consistently been better than the SD, except with the GPU.
The SD has a full fledged desktop-like GPU which also had huge drawbacks like it eats more battery vs the Mali.
The Mali is not as fast, but the graphics in most games look exactly the same.
Stop being stuck on numbers, because numbers only go so far.
Facts show the S8+ and the Note 8 are faster than the iPhone 8 and X in relative tests and both Galaxies have better battery-life.
You worried about speed. But yet the iPhone has a list of things oit fails at that you can see. Like taking to long to ficus in shots, taking over-exposed and white balanced photos. Poor low light pictures, shaky videos and terrible sound recorded from mics.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:08 AM 6
You are clueless mate, A11 cores are extremely fast and majority of smartphone tasks don't use more than 2-3 cores in 95% of operations. This is why the A11 slaughters the S835/Exynos in video rendering by minutes, it has a lot more power. A75 from ARM and A55 won't be enough to close the gap but it will be the biggest boost to CPU performance for Qualcomm in a few years Apple isn't the only one who uses co-processors in a SoC lol... it's called dedicated function blocks, like the ISP, DSP, etc.. hello? P.S you are clueless, everyone acknowledges and knows the A11 is indeed the fastest SoC right now, stop replying to my post techie, I am done dismantling every 1 of your arguments
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:49 AM 6
Wow iphones are capable in opening apps 0.2 seconds faster than android phones who have more features and customability. Here take my over 900$ apple . I don't understand Why people nowadays care more about speed and not about ease of functionality which android obviously provide.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 1:24 PM 1
Rendering a 4K video minutes faster literally, than your competition is much faster than 0.2 seconds opening apps. Its the heavy apps that really utilize the power (augmented reality apps/high end games/etc) And grats dude if you dont care about speed anymore than stay on a Snapdragon 400 forever than, its fast enough to you right? No one here was talking about feature set of each OS and vice versa so I dont know why you brought it up. Most people know Android is obviously more flexible and more open and you can do more with it vs iOS I was literally just comparing SoC's from a technical standpoint, if you can't add anything meaningful to the discussion than just dont bother The combo of A75/A55 next year is not enough to close the CPU gap... But it will be Qualcomms biggest boost in CPU performance in years, which is great, single core performance of S845 will be about 25% faster per core vs S835 big core and A55 cores will be faster than A53 so
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 1:44 PM 1
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The thing about the A11 is how it's utilized. The iPhone 8(Plus) models show some very unusual behavior in performance. For example some games load up noticably faster on an iPhone 8 than on a SD835 powered phone. Other games are noticably slower loading. When it comes to app switching you notice that the iPhone 8 also more frequently needs to reload apps compared to Android counterparts. Apple seems to have incorporated some very aggressive core load switching into A11 powered phones, choosing to offload apps ASAP to reduce batterydrain from the supercores of the A11 to the smaller cores. Sometimes it doesn't even appear to use the cores at all which results in taking longer to load. A coworker of mine went from a iPhone 6S with iOS 10 to an iPhone 8 with iOS 11 and he says it actually feels slower half the time and I've read quite a few stories of similar experiences. On paper the A11 sure seems like a powerhouse, but in reality results are very mixed. I've seen side by side comparisons where the A11 loses out to the SD835 about 66% of the time.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 3:48 PM 0
Its iOS 11, like I said, the 7 Plus on 10.3.3 is faster than the 8 on 11.0. IOS 11.1 is much improved in performance according to many beta testers so. 11.1 brings back 10.3.3 level of holding apps in RAM, i.e can contend with Oneplus 5 8gb model, etc A11 is the faster SoC no question and time will certainly further validate it
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 5:06 PM 0
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You'r clueless about apps utilize multi-cores on android (read this old article firsthttps://www.anandtech.com/show
and if you look at those speed tests on youtube you'll know this point
- SD835 boot up faster than A11
- SD835 faster at opening non-gaming apps like browser, twitter, FB, instagram, maps, spotify, and others
- A11 is faster at some game, BUT iPhone need to reload all games after switching app, compared to android that can keep it on memory, in DAILY LIFE it's a big deal if you open a game multiple times each day, because u'll need to wait it load in iPhone, compared to instant load in android
- And who actually rendering video in a phone? :v
Enjoy your big bench score, it's useless on daily life but at least you happy with it
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 7:57 PM 0
First of all, majority of apps only use % of each core. When you have fewer but stronger single cores, the application has better thread/single threaded performance, hence the apps run better when you have stronger single core performance, the same exact reason why next Snapdragon will have increased single core performance instead of just throwing more cores at it Raw CPU transistor count also backs this up The A11 is faster with both the CPU and GPU over the 835... This is already widely known and accepted in the industry so you can continue to live in your bubble lol but A11 is class leading atm in CPU/GPU
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:10 PM 0
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Look it's a well known fact that Apples Ax SoCs have a ton of cache on board, and it's one of the reasons why they can really run fast on the benchmark scores, and for some other things as well. Most of the CPU tests can run completely in cache without using the external bus and then onto the external RAM. The more time the you stay on the SoC the faster it will run. That's a given. Other SoC vendors including Qualcomm have a lot less cache or no cache for the different cache levels. As far as uncle_gadget and you are concerned when it comes to apps. Uncle_gadge has not been keeping up with what is going on with Android development lately. Because things like Unity and Unreal already take advantage of Vulkan graphics by just flipping a toggle. I proved that to you mikehuntaiq0. As far as coprocessors are concerned, it's a known fact for years SoCs have multiple coprocessors on board. Hence the SoC part, System on Chip. Some are now including AI and/or machine learning on board as well now. In the future we will see even more features added to the SoCs.
posted on Oct 31, 2017, 9:51 AM 0
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Why don't they use the A55?
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:10 AM 0
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What a joke! The only thing these new chips do, is offer a speed bump, that 99% of the users WILL NEVER SEE. These chips are FAST enough! Have been for the past couple generations. The only good these things are for, is allowing manufacturers to continue to bring out faster and faster phones each year and charge higher and higher prices.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:14 AM 3
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What else do you expect chips manufacturers to do? Of course they'll have do bring up something better than the previous generation to stay relevant in the fierce competition of today.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:22 AM 6
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Qualcomm doesn't really have in competition in the mobile space. But each ship will always be faster as long as they, either reduce the size of the die, increase clock or increase tasks per clock. A 25% gain though is a very small increase in speed and will hardly be notice.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:12 AM 0
What do you mean 99% of users will never see it? Every new phone I got, I have noticed the performance increase from the last device, these new chips give us more performance and more power efficiency, why are you complaining? Websites/etc all can always load faster
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:35 AM 0
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Chips may or may not increase or decrease how fast a website loads. Having a faster modem will surely have an effect on that though. So yeah, since my device has gigabit modems, then yes sites should load faster. However, you are still at the mercy of how fast the network you are on is and how fast the server gets the info back to you after your original request. There are lots of things to factor other tan just a faster CPU. Faster modems, faster RAM and faster pipes all make for speed bumps.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:15 AM 1
A lot of people are not at the mercy/limit of their bandwidth so yes I and many would and can tell the performance improvements in these new phones every year, you only need a few mbps connection to load websites adequately
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 11:51 AM 1
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fast enough for you, but not everyone, i was happy to see exynos 7420 play dolphin and emulate gamecube/wii games, when sd820 and 835 came, we could atleast get decent perfomance in dolphin. am looking forward to see how sd845 will perform in dolphin emulation. people want to edit videos, play games, run multiple apps, run multiple accounts etc, all these need more power.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:49 AM 0
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Remember, kids, announcing a chip and having it ready in production devices are not the same thing. So no complaining that a phone released before the end of Q1 2018 still has that lame, slow, so 2017 SD835.
posted on Oct 30, 2017, 10:50 AM 0
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