Samsung to create 20 MP camera sensor for future flagships

Samsung to create 20 MP camera sensor for future flagships

16 MP camera modules with low-light friendly ISOCELL technology aren't the only thing brewing at Samsung for next year's flagships, it seems. Korean media is reporting on an even more resolute, 20 MP sensor being in the pipeline.

The source claims that December 1st marked the date when Samsung's R&D department commenced a project to develop such sensor from scratch, including the autofocus actuators and the elaborate lens set. There's no word as to whether this 20 MP unit will also utilize the space-saving ISOCELL tech, or have optical image stabilization.

For Samsung to adopt OIS in flagships like the S5 would mean at least 50 million suspensions mechanisms for the camera have to be procured, and there is not nearly enough yield for that yet. Perhaps that is why the sources mention that the new 20 MP sensor won't be ready until the second half of 2014, and maybe even reach Samsung flagships in 2015.

As for next year, the 16 MP ISOCELL sensor is expected to land on 25% of Samsung handsets sold, which would peg its production to about 90 million units, which probably will include both the Galaxy S5 and the Note 4. There is a big batch of 13 MP and 16 MP Sony sensors procured by Samsung for next year, say the sources, so we can expect the megapixel race to be kept alive by the Koreans, in order to offset somewhat the ever more resolute and elaborate phone cameras with OIS that the competition is and will be bringing. With the Galaxy S4 and Note 3 Samsung proved it can create a phone that takes very good low-light pictures even without OIS tech, so we keep out hopes high for the 16 MP editions next year, too.

source: ETNews via UnwiredView

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37 Comments

1. iushnt

Posts: 3055; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

so no more sony sensors in galaxy flagships

4. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Sounds like Sammy hasn't bought into the whole OIS thing. If true, that could be an opening for HTC, LG and Sony. I wonder if Apple is going to be getting on the OIS bandwagon in 2014 with the iP6? If Apple goes with OIS for the iP6, Sammy almost has to have OIS in its 2015 S6 and Note 5 models.

12. Arman

Posts: 47; Member since: Jul 08, 2013

in my opinion we wont see any OIS in next few years.. because the new sensors in combination of new processors can read and save the whole pixels with 60 frame per second.. e.g. RX10 from sony can read all 20 megapixels in 60 frame per second.. so what does it mean.. in next few years the power of processor and sensor will increase and they can read sensor with even higher rate like 120 frame per second or 240 fps.. and you can have digital image stabilization (with help from gyro and other sensors) which can perform way much better than OIS.. I called it here first..:) OIS will be dead in next few years

30. fanboy1974

Posts: 1345; Member since: Nov 12, 2011

I wouldn't count on Apple to bring OIS to the iP6. More like the 6S. Apple's track record is pretty obvious; all their doing is small spec updates because honestly their running out of ideas. For example; what excuse do you have for not giving your flagship models at least 2gigs of ram on a 64bit platform? Or keeping the camera at 8mp when the competition has 13mp? During my 2 month experiment with the iPhone 5s Apples own apps were crashing due to low memory. All I see Apple doing is a 10mp camera without OIS because they need to save something for the S model. Apple is only worried about taking baby steps. Just watch the display update; 4.5 inch when the competition is already above 5 inches.

32. nctx77

Posts: 2540; Member since: Sep 03, 2013

Whatever dude, ios crashes because of it not fully being optimized yet. You obviously haven't used ios 7.1 beta. It has nothing to do with ram which leads me to my next point. Why put 2 gigs of ram or other higher specs when you don't need them? At 8 mp, the iphone has one of the best cameras on the market.

33. Shatter

Posts: 2036; Member since: May 29, 2013

Keeping dreaming fanboy the 1520 has the best and the 5s loses to most of the android flagships. 2gb is far from enough. It will be pointless after 8-16gb till photorealistic gaming becomes a reality.

35. wildfiregt

Posts: 179; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

I've been using 1GB RAM phone and I can't tell you it is not enough at all. From 1GB, some are reserved for the cpu,gpu and the OS. which means only 400Mb are left. The OS will start killing apps from around 80mb left. Which means you have 320Mb usuable. Apps today takes much of the Ram, Facebook (with Messenger) needs 150mb. You won't be able to run a game,pause it and Go browsing 3 pages without getting an app closed.

6. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

In fact almost all Samsung flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensors, and from some comparisons (S3,Note 2) on xda Samsung's sensor is a bit better.

11. yudi.nemesis unregistered

I think Samsung will not using sony sensor if their sensor really better than sony sensor, and i'm pretty sure that apple will also use samsung sensor.

14. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

Actually it is the capacity problem, like Apple buys display from various manufacturers

17. yudi.nemesis unregistered

I don't think so, i'm sure samsung will have no problem with capacity. I think the only reason why samsung is using their sensor in some S3 and Note 2 is because sony can't keep up with samsung demand. Last year Iphone 5 and S3 is 2 best selling smartphone, both of the uses sony sensor. just imagine how much image sensor that sony need to produce for apple, samsung, xperia and other OEMs.

8. akki20892

Posts: 3902; Member since: Feb 04, 2013

Worst camera in my HTC one. Sad :(

34. Shatter

Posts: 2036; Member since: May 29, 2013

Remember when it came out and PA tried to say MP didn't matter and HTC one was the best? The users voted several times and its an obvious pos.

10. spectrums

Posts: 127; Member since: Nov 14, 2013

yes, And I hope Sammy Never Use Sony Sensors Again :)

16. yudi.nemesis unregistered

That's because sony wasn't going to sell their cutting edge image sensor to other OEMs.

2. skuld

Posts: 44; Member since: Jan 10, 2013

saw it coming after Sony released the Z1. so what's next sammy?

3. itsdeepak4u2000

Posts: 3718; Member since: Nov 03, 2012

Sammy's snappers are quite good. And this 20 MPs would also do fantastic job in the future when they come.

5. emadshiny

Posts: 1144; Member since: Dec 05, 2012

To be more accurate, Sony's snappers are great and of course Sammy's optimization is great too to make it a complete camera.

7. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

In fact almost all Samsung flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensors, and from some comparisons (S3,Note 2) on xda Samsung's sensor is a bit better.

9. emadshiny

Posts: 1144; Member since: Dec 05, 2012

Please show me the source. All sensors used in all flagships of all brands except for Nokia are made by Sony.

13. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

Galaxy S2:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443658 Galaxy S3:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866593 (S3 with sony sensor firmware version is ZDFD06 and the samsung one is GDFE02) ZD vs GD comparison on Note 2http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39668270&postcount=23

15. emadshiny

Posts: 1144; Member since: Dec 05, 2012

So what? These links say exactly the opposite of what you claim. Read them carefully.

18. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

What opposite? Skipped the BS comments. The last link shows the comparison between Sony and Samsung sensor on Note 2, and the poster tended to say that Samsung's oin is better. I myself think it's better also. I admit that Samsung's sensor on S2 is worse, nut I didn't say it is better in my previous comment. So please "read them carefully". And nothing conflict with what I claimed "Samsung's flagships use both sensor from Sony and Samsung"

20. yudi.nemesis unregistered

Hahaha... wth you talking about dude!! if you show us some comparison with different firmware it doesn't mean samsung sensor is better than sony. It just like gsmarena comparison between s4 octa vs s4 s600 both of the using sony sensor but the camere have different output just because they uses different chipset and software. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p4.php s4 zoom using 16mp 1/2.3" if samsung sensor really better than sony sensor, s4 or note 3 will use the same sensor like s4 zoom and i'm sure samsung will have no problem with capacity since samsung doesn't need to provide image sensor for other OEMs.

24. NonXtreme

Posts: 1; Member since: Aug 09, 2011

Both s4 octa and s4 s600 use sony sensor but s4 octa use sony Exmor RS and s4 s600 use sony Exmor R.

26. yudi.nemesis unregistered

Yeah i know that, but are you sure all s4 s600 version using the same sensor?? and can you show me some comparison between s4 with exmor rs vs s4 exmore r but both of them must use the same software! Let me show you some comparison so you can clearly see that same sensor with 2 different software can produce 2 different result. http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z_gets_firmware_update_improves_camera_quality-news-6041.php

25. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

Different firmware because the sensors are different, just it, understand? And abt the capacity, that's only what I guess. But the thing is many Samsung's flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensor is correct, OK?

28. yudi.nemesis unregistered

Lol... look at my post #26 you can clearly see that software can make different result. Yeah i know that samsung is using both sony and samsung sensor, but i'm not agree when you say that samsung sensor is better than sony sensor and you show us some unfair comparison. If samsung really able to make better sensor than sony there is no reason from them to keep using sony sensor. And when it comes to production capacity its not hard for samsung to beat sony + samsung doesn't need to provide image sensor for othe OEMs. The most rational reason why samsung using their own sensor in some s3 and note2 is because sony can keep up with samsung demands

29. FCB-Eto

Posts: 64; Member since: Aug 17, 2013

Actually the sensor on the lumia 920 and 929 are Sony sensors.

19. spectrums

Posts: 127; Member since: Nov 14, 2013

Because Sony Sensor Is Bad :)

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