Samsung prepping a custom processor core of its own, might release it with the Galaxy S7

Samsung prepping a custom processor core of its own, might release it with the Galaxy S7
Apple has its proprietary Cyclone processor cores, Qualcomm has Krait and the upcoming Kryo, but Samsung? Well, Samsung doesn't have anything right now, and is using the stock ARM Cortex CPU cores without significant modifications. For a company as versed in silicon production as Samsung, and one that is trying to take on Qualcomm, this is a crying shame, but the Galaxy S6 maker will be remedying this situation pretty soon, reports Korean media today.

It seems that Samsung is almost ready to finally release its own processing core next year, perhaps in time for the Galaxy S7. Samsung's System LSI Division has been working on a proprietary 64-bit core for four years, claims the publication, and will no longer be using the default ARM Cortex designs. The current Exynos 7420 in the Galaxy S6 is plenty powerful, but still, in its single-core performance, it is no match for the proprietary Apple A8 chipset, despite the latter being clocked at much slower speeds. 

The move is said to further solidify Samsung's position as one of the largest and most distinguished chipset manufacturers, and we can't wait to see what this eventual proprietary core has on Snapdragon 820's Kryo that will land before it.



1. drunkenjay

Posts: 1697; Member since: Feb 11, 2013

Nice cant wait for the new chipsets.

27. vincelongman

Posts: 5730; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

On a light note Samsung's custom core is rumored to be called Mongoose Qualcomm's previous custom core was called Krait (a type of snake) Qualcomm's next custom core was rumored to be called Taipan (a type of snake) Mongoose eat snakes, nice banter from Samsung? But that Taipan core rumor was fake Qualcomm's next custom core is called Kyro

56. rihel_95

Posts: 305; Member since: Mar 21, 2012

Plus an great advantage for Samsung is that they had been making Apple Custom processors for years now. So they can now use the experience gathered. All the best to Samsung.

2. iphonexus

Posts: 130; Member since: Jan 04, 2015

Yeah I have to agree apple single core performance is by far best

16. vergil9

Posts: 517; Member since: Apr 06, 2015

Ever heard of Project Denver? Only for tablets though

24. vincelongman

Posts: 5730; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Project Denver is pretty cool and very interesting But it relies on converting ARM code to Denver code, which causes inconsistent performance Its very slow while converting ARM code to Denver code Its ARM decoder is only 2-wide, while its Denver decoder is 7-wide For comparison Apple's Cyclone's ARM decoder is 6-wide So IMO, for now Apple has the single core performance crown Samsung has the multi core performance crown

26. seven7dust unregistered

When you think about it on a phone , were not rendering videos or using cinema 4d / cadd apps web browsing and gaming are the only real challenging apps , these apps are completely single core based in performance and depend on GPU for smooth fps , octa core is just gimmicks for benchmark scores , smartphones usage is far different from desktops where multi core usage is years away. This is why Apple was right for creating custom cyclone core for better single core performance over octa core b.s. Apple will lead with the A9 once again. I'm guessing this time it'll be a multi core chip. Even anandtech praises apple cyclone chips more than other chips. Samsung catching up to Apple yet again. Lets hooe they catchup in single core performwnce of the A8x. Qualcomm chips are too slow thry arent even competetive with the A7 on the iPhone 5s. They really need something special , without throttling.

29. vincelongman

Posts: 5730; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

No offence, but you're totally wrong, not even close Android use 4 cores easily E.g. Just download an app like System Monitor My Nexus 5 uses 4 core when opening apps or webpages My Nexus 5's year old 800 is still more or less on par with the iPhone 6's A8 in terms of app opening Also some phones, like the Nexus 6, have all their 4 cores always enabled

34. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

When you think about it without being a fanboy, your phone has quite a few things going on besides the current app you're running, dozens of background processes. So, even if the foreground app is single threaded, that core can be dedicated to the app, while the background processes can be divided up on the remaining cores. With fewer cores, more has to be put on each core. So, no. You're wrong. Fewer (far larger) cores may be OK for a simpler, less capable OS like iOS, but Octacore makes perfect sense for a full PC type of mobile OS like Android. (And is why these SOCs beat the Apple core in most overall benchmarks.)

44. Macready

Posts: 1824; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

I wonder if people claiming this type of nonsense for years now, have ever used an Android phone extensively and monitored their core behavior. Spoiler alert: the only answer can be "no". Because even my 4 year old S2 already used both cores for most apps that weren't sitting idle. Fastforward to 2015. Even if software doesn't specifically ask for it, the Linux kernel was designed to divide tasks over multiple cores.

3. Felix_Gatto

Posts: 942; Member since: Jul 03, 2013

Kirin and Helio are not the name for ARM CPU design, l thought you know better, Daniel P.

10. Felix_Gatto

Posts: 942; Member since: Jul 03, 2013

Thank you for your attention.

4. Felix_Gatto

Posts: 942; Member since: Jul 03, 2013

I want it for Note 5!!!

5. TheGunnyPT

Posts: 252; Member since: Feb 12, 2015

I guess they'll have a sort of pre-testing done in time for the Note 5? Note 4 Exynos version in "real world" had less lags with Touchwiz 4.4 than the Snapdragon version.. Atleast for me. It's nice to see Samsung going their own way with the chips.. Can't wait for the Note 5 with a 64 bit + 14mm chip!

6. MartinR

Posts: 67; Member since: Jul 26, 2012


7. Predator1701

Posts: 130; Member since: Oct 28, 2014

Well this wasn't totally unexpected, this is the way things are going in the comming years.Eventually ARM processors with their flexibility will push Intel out of the ring.

8. Captain_Doug

Posts: 1037; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

If anyone could do it, it's Samsung. They have a lot invested in their fab and all the money to to figure it out.

9. Dude2014

Posts: 448; Member since: Feb 12, 2014

Really? No match for Single core performance? on, how can you compare it? It doesn't make sense cuz each core of Octa-core processor is smaller and consumes much less energy than the one in the Dual-core processor. How about overall performance of SoC? Muticore?

11. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

Stay tuned for a total fiasco.

35. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Like with the Exynos 7420,which is even more powerful than Apple's latest tablet CPU, let alone it's phone offerings?

12. TyrionLannister unregistered

The single core score of exynos 7420 is within 10% of Apple A8. A far cry from no match. 7420 scores 1510 in geekbench single core vs 1630 of A8. Make sure you run the 64 bit geekbench on S6. The 32 bit gives lower score.

13. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

The problem is, 32bit scores are far more realistic since hardly anything else than benchmarks are running in 64bit on Adnroid.

15. TyrionLannister unregistered

Almost all the android apps are 64 bit. All apps coded in java direcrly get compiled in 64 bit in lollipop. That's a huge advantage of android over iOS. P.S. About 85% of android apps are in java. This just leaves 15% apps still running in 32 bit.

18. gaming64 unregistered

The only thing left now is compatibility. Many apps still dont have proper tablet versions. Even some dont run well on other phones. It's a reason why I prefer an iPad over Android tabs.

25. BobbyBuster

Posts: 854; Member since: Jan 13, 2015

No, you are wrong.

28. TyrionLannister unregistered

Google it. I'm right.

40. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

He is 100% right. You shouldn't make statements without knowing what you're talking about. Of course, then you'd never make any statements.

20. RoboticEngi

Posts: 1251; Member since: Dec 03, 2014

This is realistic: Who gives a s**t about no of cores and Bits. This is what it is all about.

31. vincelongman

Posts: 5730; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

This is a nice "real world usage" comparison The S6 won overall Basically the S6 loads most apps faster, except games Why is that? 1. 1440p vs 750p (S6's res is 4x 720p, which is crazy high, higher than all PS4/XBone games) 2. Apple's better single core performance (OpenGL ES is not a low level API, doesn't support mutli core usage as well) 3. OpenGL ES vs Metal (if used, Metal is a low level API, support better mutli core usage and other optimizatoins)

36. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Every java based app on android is running at 64bit on a 64bit capable device. ART compiles them to 64bit, with no coding needed from the developer. So, wrong as usual.

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