Samsung reported to have completed 7nm development six months ahead of schedule, could be used in Snapdragon 855

Samsung reported to have completed 7nm development six months ahead of schedule, could be used in Snapdragon 855
Samsung has finished the development of 7nm manufacturing technology six months ahead of schedule and the development process could be used for the next flagship phone chip, the Qualcomm Snapdragon 855.

This is great news for phone enthusiasts as the manufacturing process has a great impact on the productivity and battery efficiency of a chip. Our battery test, showed a big, double digit improvement in battery life with the Snapdragon 835 system chip, the first flagship mobile chip built on the 10nm process. Samsung Electronics is expected to start manufacturing the new Snapdragon 855 system chip late this year with bigger volumes scheduled for early next year.

Samsung Electronics has completed the development of a 7-nanometer foundry process and it is using extreme ultraviolet exposure equipment (EUV) for this process. Originally, the company expected the development of the new technology to be complete in the second half of this year, but it got it six months earlier. Rumors say that Qualcomm is preparing to send samples for its new mobile chip to Samsung.

Samsung's biggest competitor in the space is Taiwan-based TSMC. To catch up with its rival and in hopes to outpace it, Samsung Electronics has also launched development of the next generation 5-nm foundry process at a dedicated line.


source: SEDaily (machine-translated)

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3. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Samsung : 1 Tsmc : 0 Intel : 0

7. antmiu2

Posts: 548; Member since: Jun 19, 2011

Samsung Exynos took a L this year with the S9

10. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Yeah but before, Qualcomm took 5 or 6 Ls in raw lol

12. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2205; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

You do realize TSMC was the first to announce they completed development of 7nm process, right? So I’m not sure why you’re saying Samsung 1 TSMC 0. Also, earlier reports in December have tipped Qualcomm picking TSMC over Samsung for their initial chipset orders. That, of course, isn’t confirmed yet but it’s out there.

16. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2205; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Actually, upon further reading, it does appear that Qualcomm decided to extend its contract with Samsung in February. So that initial rumor is out the door. EDIT: Also, I can understand if you’re saying Samsung wins because they developed EUV before the rest of the competition but that is a double edged sword that isn’t clear yet whether it gives them a huge leg up on the competition yet or not. On the one hand, it makes transitioning to 5nm chipsets very very easy but on the other hand you’re introducing a complicated process very early on so there’s no telling yet if it introduces manufacturing slow downs or not. It’s too early to tell.

18. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

EUV isn't complicated , actually it's way less complicated than today process.

29. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2205; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

EUV is definitely more complicated than the current process. “As it turns out, EUV is more difficult to master than previously thought. In fact, it’s arguably the most complex piece of machinery in the history of the IC industry.” https://semiengineering.com/why-euv-is-so-difficult/ “To recap, an EUV machine is incredibly complicated...These tools are so complex that they require months of work just to get them ready to start production” https://www.pcmag.com/article/359301/the-promises-and-challenges-of-euv-at-globalfoundries “According to a recent writeup in IEEE Spectrum, the non-profit R&D center Imec, which is a leading research center in EUV lithography, has seen significant problems when using EUV to etch features at 5nm. The rate of stochastic effects is significantly higher than is acceptable for modern manufacturing.“ https://www.extremetech.com/computing/265064-euv-integration-5nm-still-risky-major-problems-solve

51. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Read official Samsung report about 7nm posted yesterday , I don't trust those sites ... Yes EUV is complex to master , not to manufacture You miss understood.

55. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2205; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

You mean you read Samsung’s press release...and you do understand manufacturers like to tout all the positive in a press release right? Like a company is not gonna say anything bad in their own press release. When was the last time you read a company mention any negatives in their own release? I think it’s pretty ignorant of you to somehow believe one source over three separate INDEPENDENT sources.

57. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Samsung mentioned some negative points , they said they dalayed EUV 6 months due to problems .. please read official articles , these beta sites provide BS and don't know sht

17. Techist

Posts: 311; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

According to reports, Qualcomm decided to go with TSMC because Samsung, having chosen to go straight to the EUV lithography process, was going to get there later than TSMC's non-EUV process. TSMC's EUV process will be their 2nd generation. However, Samsung has now achieved the EUV process (which will be the equivalent of TSMC's 2nd generation 7nm) at about the same time as TSMC will be rolling out their 1st generation 7nm, hence leapfrogging TSMC. That being the case, Qualcomm may very well switch back to Samsung, especially since Samsung is one of (if not their) biggest customers. Even Apple might switch to Samsung. Watch this space.

21. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Its confirmed that Qualcomm 5G X50 is manufactured by Samsung , sd855 will follow ...

4. Sparkxster

Posts: 1079; Member since: Mar 31, 2017

That's pretty amazing getting it done 6 months earlier. The snapdragon 855 should be impressive in performance and battery life.

36. Fred3

Posts: 284; Member since: Jan 16, 2018

Hopefully they're able to use the chips for the phones comming out in 4th qt.

9. Ghost04

Posts: 494; Member since: May 03, 2014

I am quite sure that Apple and Huawei will get 7nm from TSMC by the end of this year .

15. CreeDiddy

Posts: 2019; Member since: Nov 04, 2011

Nope A11X released in June for iPad Pro edge to edge...

41. Phullofphil

Posts: 1725; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

A12 is when they will get to 7nm. Just curious because I’m too lazy to look it up but has Apple ever had a di shrink on the Same a model chip like a10 to a10x or what ever they are labeled. I never looked into the history of that

19. PranayRayana

Posts: 1; Member since: Apr 06, 2018

Qualcomm is the manufacturer of snapdragon processors.. how samsung will give its technology to qualcomm. They’ll make their own exynos processors

22. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Qualcomm designs its SOCs , Samsung manufacture them.

47. tedkord

Posts: 16974; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Qualcomm outsources the actual production of their SOCs. Samsung has produced them with their in house processes in the past, so had TSMC.

20. sintruder

Posts: 162; Member since: Aug 30, 2012

Adreno 720 will be a Monstrous Beast! Nothing will come close, arm and apple gpu's throttle quite badly and consume more power

42. Phullofphil

Posts: 1725; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

Oh yeah says who. You sound like your a wwe fighter talking crap to another with no substance.

53. sintruder

Posts: 162; Member since: Aug 30, 2012

Oh really? Check out the snapdragon 845's adreno 630 review on Anandtech. It demolishes everything from exynos to apple's gpu which in the same review shows the extreme power consumption of those gpus. I'm simply predicting from the track record of adreno gpus

62. 47AlphaTango

Posts: 709; Member since: Sep 27, 2015

@sintruder That's because adreno 630 from snapdragon 845 is a newer chipset than the apple's custom GPU. This is the first time apple is making its own GPU hardware. But if you wait for a year or two. Apple's custom GPU would surely surpass the adreno GPU.

30. TechSceptic

Posts: 1156; Member since: Feb 05, 2018

This is incredibly impressive by Samsung and the EUV process is surely going to give them a leg up over the traditional manufacturing methods, as they're inefficient for something as small as 7nm. This should give the next Snapdragon and Exynos chips quite a good performance and efficiency boost, which is quite exciting. I don't know why this article only mentions the Snapdragon, as the next Exynos SoC will obviously also be produced with this manufacturing process. If Apple chooses to go with Samsung for their next SoC's as a result of this improved EUV process, then it's once again a good thing, as Samsung is going to earn a lot of money as a result of their competitor simply selling phones.

43. Phullofphil

Posts: 1725; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

It will always go back and forth. Back when the exynose chips came out they were the best. I feel they have fallen behind but I am sure that will go back and forth. Everybody acts like a certain manufacture is like there high school and any other are rivals. Compitition is best this way but not as a consumer. Go with the best tech not just blindly go with the same one. I have apple but I don’t think I will always stay with them.

54. JMartin22

Posts: 2304; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

If they’re so far ahead of schedule, they need to get it set up for the Note 9. The Note series has its chipset specifications crept too quickly. It should at least be on toe with the Galaxy that comes after it and on the pinnacle of SoC specs until the next Note refresh

56. aBoss

Posts: 164; Member since: Sep 15, 2014

ADD IT TO THE NOTE 9 PLEASE :) Also maybe make a new note 9 series with removable battery

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