Samsung acquisition could give it a leg up over TSMC in the production of 10nm chips

Samsung acquisition could give it a leg up over TSMC in the production of 10nm chips
Besides the continuing competition between Samsung and TSMC over which company will be making the majority of Apple's A10 chipsets for the next-generation of Cupertino's mobile products, there is another race going on between the two companies. Which of the two will be the first to roll out large quantities of chipsets using the 10nm process?

A report from Korea last week noted that Samsung's recent purchase of Synopsys' latest electronic design automation product (EDA), will allow it to push out 10nm chipsets at a faster rate than rival TSMC. The EDA is a software tool that will help Samsung design printed circuit boards and integrated circuits. The software allows chip designers to analyze their creations before putting them into production. The IC Compiler 2, the EDA purchased from Synopsys, is said to make process development ten times faster. It also will help improve the all-important yield rate.

Despite the addition of the IC Compiler 2, Samsung still expects to mass produce 10nm chips during the fourth quarter of 2016. That is one quarter after TSMC is scheduled to have its 10nm chips rolling off of the assembly line. TSMC watched Samsung grab orders for 16nm and 14nm FinFet production, and hopes to score a competitive advantage for 10nm. At stake is the opportunity to win huge orders for the A11 SoC that will likely power the 2017 iPhone and iPad.

Billions of dollars are at stake. Recently, a couple of HSBC analysts predicted that TSMC will win 100% of the orders for the A10, bringing in as much as $2.5 billion in revenue for the company.

source: BusinessKorea via GforGames

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24 Comments

1. Bm888

Posts: 517; Member since: Jul 06, 2015

Who's gonna be first doesn't really bother me.. All I want is a note 6 with soc/sip with produced in 10nm.. And abt business its abt time Samsung focuses on capturing other oems like Xiaomi wch is an upcoming giant and not only relying on Apple's to do b/s with.. If they make top notch socs in this process Apple can later come crawling for its partnership

8. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Even if it is late, Samsung's process will probably be better off due of this software because they can refine production many times over between dry runs compared to the TSMC method.

2. jove39

Posts: 2145; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

What difference would that make...tsmc 10nm will again outperform samsung 10nm...recent proof is a9 soc...tsmc 16nm node is better than samsung 14nm node.

3. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

The Samsung A9 SoC was proven to be the better choice over the TSMC one.

5. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Not really, the early samples have been in TSMC's favor but by the end of the iPhone 6s production run and during the iPhone 7 onwards the Samsung one will win out due to refinement. TSMC's 16nm has already reached maturity and cannot go any further by much, hence why it is doing better off the bat.

18. jove39

Posts: 2145; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

22. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

The 2 - 3% difference doesn't matter. Because that 2 - 3% difference will only make a difference based on how you use your phone. That fact is, neither iPhone with either chip will last beyond a full day on a single charge. So I just don't see what the argument is about. Yes TSMC did better. Yay!!!! I'm happy for them. But none offers any visual advantage over the other. If you placed both phones side by side and ran a video at 1080p until the phones dies, tests show the TSMC iPhone last about 15 mins longer. Are you really trying to make a point over 15 mins?

26. nodes

Posts: 1158; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

14nm in the first place should not perform the same as 16nm, it SHOULD perform better.

30. AlikMalix unregistered

nodes, from all the people, you should know by now, Apple designs these things - they designed them both to be equal (or at least as equal as possible)... maybe they're forcing Samsung's 14nm to run at 16nm because the media will dig up that there are different SoC's on the new 6s and they would test them indefinitely - imagine the outcry of users feeling cheated. They had to perform similarly..

29. AlikMalix unregistered

Techie, sometimes you're just right, and not just the second paragraph, the first one - the 2-3% actually does NOT matter... It only matters to those who're trying to diss Samsung.

6. Hexa-core

Posts: 2131; Member since: Aug 11, 2015

Absolute BS! The 2.5k single-core score was the Samsung A9! Heck, 10nm isn't yet out, so claiming TSMC's to outperform Sammy's is crappy. So your points are, well, pointless!

19. jove39

Posts: 2145; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

My points are based on evidence, read here -http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/ You'll believe it when you see...I'd trade 100 points on geekbench any day for extra hour of battery life.

27. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

Sure, everything on the internet is true

11. Macready

Posts: 1817; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Or not:http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iphone-6s-a9-samsung-vs-tsmc,30306.html The Samsung version scored better battery life, lower temperatures and just as fast (if not a hair faster).

20. jove39

Posts: 2145; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Those results are completely opposite of what Ars published - http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/ Different battery benchmark apps though.

23. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Different testing methods...right? The fact here is simple. If you are willing to argue over what Apple already said is a 2-3% margin of error which is exactly what the tests from Tom's Hardware and Arstechnica show, then you have bigger problems to deal with. If the margin was above 5%, Apple wouldnt have likely even used the Samsung chip unless they got it within the margin of error which we see in all the tests no matter who does them that it was the case as Apple stated. Yet you won't let the hairs on your back lay down. If one of your car tires had 3% less air vs another, you wouldn't even notice any difference, so why are you making such a big deal here. if it was 5%+ it would be a big deal...IT'S NOT!!!!!!!

21. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Are you still trying to get a buzz off a 2%-3% margin of error? LOL Consider this fact. Samsung is not fabricating chips or Qualcomm who supplies at least 5 times the amount of ships Apple does. Considering QC provides chips to all Android OEM. Samsung will make at least $5Billion from QC alone.

4. abdoualgeria

Posts: 928; Member since: Jul 27, 2015

Samsung's 14nm process uses a combination of 14nm FEOL and 20nm BEOL, which gives the benefits of 14 nm such as less power consumption and performance increases , but the end die size remains the same as 20nm , technically u can call it an enhanced 20nm process , samsung's 10 nm will be the same method (10nm FEOL and 14nm BEOL) , its easier and less expensive this way . Sammy isnt the only manufacturer to use this ,globalFoundries uses this as well and TSMC uses this with 16+20nm , sammy's 10nm will be superior to intel's 14nm but intels's 10nm will remain dominant.

12. ghaniosman

Posts: 78; Member since: Jun 06, 2013

Apple couldn't optimize Samsung's 14nm node processor well enough as a result 16nm processor by tsmc showed better battery life despite being technologically older than 14nm process

24. guest

Posts: 371; Member since: Jun 13, 2012

Technologically older? They are two different fabs with their own take of 14 nm technically you don't know what you are talking. Besides they are both older than Intel 14 not to mention inferior technically.

14. Hexa-core

Posts: 2131; Member since: Aug 11, 2015

Nice info there!

16. vuyonc

Posts: 1089; Member since: Feb 24, 2014

"TSMC watched Samsung grab orders for 16nm and 14nm FinFet production" Samsung doesn't have 16nm node. Please correct that.

25. hanabi

Posts: 177; Member since: Oct 08, 2015

No one trusts chinese tsmc

28. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Oo lala

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