Qualcomm wants TSMC to produce Snapdragon 855 mobile platform, not Samsung?

For the last few years, Samsung has been the company churning out high-end chipsets designed by Qualcomm. This would include the Snapdragon 820, Snapdragon 821 and the Snapdragon 835 chipsets. And while there has been some talk about another chip manufacturer taking over for Samsung to produce the Snapdragon 845, it appears as though Sammy won't be replaced until the Snapdragon 855 is rolling off of an assembly line.

It's not as though TSMC  hadn't produced Qualcomm designed chipsets before. The Snapdragon 808 and Snapdragon 810 chipsets were both made by TSMC off of Qualcomm designs. You might recall that Android users and manufacturers were not too keen on the Snapdragon 810, which had a propensity to get hot. LG was so concerned about overheating that it chose the less powerful Snapdragon 808 SoC for the LG G4. This chip carried a hexa-core CPU.

By the end of next year, TSMC might start manufacturing the Snapdragon 855 SoC, and an unspecified modem chip. But there is no reason to hold a charity bake sale for Samsung. Next year, it is rumored to recapture the A-series chipset business from Apple that it had lost to TSMC with 2016's A10. Both Samsung and TSMC  produced the A9 chip in 2015.

One reason why Qualcomm might favor TSMC for the Snapdragon 855 chipset has to do with the Taiwan based firm's lead over Samsung when it comes to the 7nm node. Like the Snapdragon 835 SoC, the Snapdragon 845 will also be produced with the 10nm process; if the Snapdragon 855 is to use the 7nm node, Qualcomm might feel more comfortable if TSMC is producing it.

source: PocketNow



1. Humanoid

Posts: 1226; Member since: Dec 11, 2017

Just hope the 845 does not work like the older 8xx. Even for small tasks the cores easily reach the max clock. If you are just reading the news, no need to have cores 4 running at 2.0 or 2.4GHz.

3. sgodsell

Posts: 7514; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

People forget that TSMC lied back then. They said they had their manufacturing ready for 14mn. Yet they were at 16nm manufacturing. Hopefully they will have things ready for next year with a working 7nm SoC.

11. Guaire

Posts: 892; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

Nobody can forget since such a thing didn't happen. Nodes are different for each foundry and only 16nm was on TSMC's roadmaps back then. TSMC's 16nm is on par with Samsung's 14nm and both are a bit better than Intel's 22nm regarding power performance and size.

13. Instigator

Posts: 39; Member since: Feb 11, 2017

Your naivety is staggering, or you're being deceitful. They all lie, especially TSMC, but don't spread more disinformation by saying TSMC's 16nm is the same as Samsung's 14nm, because it simply isn't. By the way, the story from Apple about the Samsung chip not performing as well as the TSMC chip was fake, and was designed for Apple to get themselves out of the more expensive Samsung deal. Apple are only with TSMC for price reasons. The Samsung chip was proven to be superior, but the main tech sites of course never covered that. Also, don't go on about Intel like they are victims, they are behind due to cost, but use propaganda to cover that up. Again, don't claim Intel's 22nm is the same as Samsung's 14nm, because it isn't true. The problem with comments section like this is that misinformation is spread, and some believe it.

14. Johnrob011045

Posts: 2; Member since: Jan 21, 2018

I once looked at a chart showing the list of Intel's processors and too many times have they only increased by 100 megahertz over their predecessors. Intel will purposely release the same chip under a new name for a couple years clocked 100 megahertz faster to drag it out making more money off old technology. The mobile industry has been much more innovative than laptop processors were. E.g. SD835 vs SD845 350mhz increased performance in clock speed. It's still comparing apples to oranges though because there's many technologies/features not being used in mobile processors. E.g. Hyperthreading, multithreading. Mobile chips run instructions out of order to keep it working on things at all times to make up for the wacky circumstances. Would be interesting to see how the SD835 deals with Windows software. Then we'll all know how they compare to laptop processors.

2. makatijules

Posts: 835; Member since: Dec 11, 2017

They will be back Samsung. Don't worry, they always come back. Ask Apple!

10. gehrig

Posts: 423; Member since: Apr 17, 2014

The A11 is still produced exclusively by TSMC, lol.

12. makatijules

Posts: 835; Member since: Dec 11, 2017

Because SoC's are the only components Samsung makes?

4. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

So long as these don't turn into another overheating SD810 v2, all is fine and dandy. It's good business practice not to have all your eggs in 1 basket.


Posts: 91; Member since: Feb 13, 2011

The race for low nm node seems to be the trend among the manufacturers. Hopefully future chip-sets are designed faster and cooler...i.e. overheating issue is not good.

6. ph00ny

Posts: 2066; Member since: May 26, 2011

Maybe this will force Samsung to do another all Exynos device.

7. TypicalGeek

Posts: 216; Member since: Feb 19, 2015

OK Qualcomm, O I mean Broqualcomm. :D

8. Hollowmost

Posts: 425; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Ow it will be a SD810 v3 , and we will get exynos madness all around the world .....

9. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

"One reason why Qualcomm might favor TSMC for the Snapdragon 855 chipset has to do with the Taiwan based firm's lead over Samsung when it comes to the 7nm node" lead over? what lead? Samsung always ahead in node size evolution, they are the first in 14nm and 10nm mass production, and they'll be the first in 7nm (2018) and future 6nm (2019), 5nm (2019), and 4nm (2020)

15. Johnrob011045

Posts: 2; Member since: Jan 21, 2018

Samsung will produce their own chips and probably win back that deal if their chips are better than the SD855. We'll have to see how things turn out at the time. I thought they got the deal in the first place by proving their worth making the Exynos brand. I personally don't care for them because everybody knows the upcoming years are all about the evolution of mobile gaming and the Exynos chips don't perform particularly well with emulators and things of the sort.

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