Qualcomm said to switch Snapdragon 830 orders to TSMC as Samsung production falls behind schedule

Qualcomm said to switch Snapdragon 830 orders to TSMC as Samsung production falls behind schedule
According to a new report published today in China's Economic Daily News, Samsung's 10nm production of the Qualcomm Snapdragon 830 chipset has fallen behind schedule. Allegedly, Qualcomm will switch follow-up orders to TSMC in an attempt to get the production of its upcoming high-end chipset back on track.

A few weeks ago, unofficial reports claimed that Samsung will exclusively manufacture the Snapdragon 830 chipset on its 10nm chip production technology. Just a few days ago, Samsung announced that it has started mass-producing chips using the 10nm process, being the first company in the world to achieve this feat. At the time, it looked like things are going according to plan. According to this new report, however, that may not be the case.

Unnamed insider sources quoted in EDN's new report claim that a production delay is suspected based on the fact that Android smartphone makers have yet to receive samples for the chip. Before getting to manufacture smartphones based on a new chipset, device makers need to receive chip samples so as to properly test-drive the silicon.

Virtually all high-end smartphone makers have used Qualcomm's previous 800-series chips in their current- or past-generation premium phone models. Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG, Oppo, Xiaomi, Asus, Vivo, and more are all expected to introduce Snapdragon 830-based smartphones in early 2017.

As the report notes, any potential delays introduced to this timeline will cause a severe sales deficit for Qualcomm and partner smartphone makers, as well as for the companies that produce various other components for these phones. If Samsung is indeed behind schedule with producing the Snapdragon 830, Qualcomm has no other choice but to switch orders to TSMC.

It's worth pointing out that TSMC has yet to roll out the mass production of chips using the 10nm node process, which means that the current-generation 16nm node process will have to suffice. Unfortunately for both smartphone makers and end users, such a move would equate to giving up on the extra power efficiency that the move to a 10nm node process would entice.

At this point, however, we wouldn't hurry to put too much trust in this report. If Qualcomm is indeed switching Snapdragon 830 orders to TSMC, we'll likely hear more reports about this in the near future.

source: DigiTimes



1. manojmcn

Posts: 634; Member since: Jul 16, 2015

Lol. It may be because of the huge volume Samsung is handling. Esp with SD820 and Exynos.

3. Harambe unregistered

It has nothing to do with that. Samsung had no issues handling Snapdragon 820 and Exynos 8890. The issue is most probably because of the yield issues with 10nm. Any new process node takes time to get yields high and same will happen for 10nm. Samsung will eventually get back on track and get the yields where they need to be, but in the meantime QUALCOMM is in a pickle.

2. NonFanBoy

Posts: 180; Member since: May 28, 2015

Why would they not fall back to Samsung's existing 2nd gen 14nm FinFet process rather than going top TSMC's 16nm process.

4. Harambe unregistered

Because it's been a well established fact that TSMC's 16 nm is better than Samsung's 14 nm in terms of efficiency with the iPhone 6s and Nvidia choosing TSMC for high end pascal cards while Samsung for low end ones. Samsung is getting back in the game though. Their 10 nm will definitely be better than TSMC's 16 nm. They might even be better than intel's 14nm.

9. NonFanBoy

Posts: 180; Member since: May 28, 2015

"t's been a well established fact that TSMC's 16 nm is better than Samsung's 14 nm in terms of efficiency" Its not a well established fact. There were a lot of reports both for and against it. Besides, Qualcomm (world's largest mobile soc company) wouldn't just choose Samsung's manufacturing process if it were true.

10. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

Also if Qualcomm move to tsmc 16nm then Samsung g will buy no CPUs from them at all, this will mean they be out of busness fast and we get a new 810 as tsmc only give Apple there good cpus

15. xfire99

Posts: 1207; Member since: Mar 14, 2012

Lol? If u were CEO in a company that company will go bankrupt within months.

19. Shamoy

Posts: 112; Member since: Dec 28, 2013

Qualcomm was forced to choose Samsung because TSMC did not have enough production capacity for the 820. Also that would harm their relations with Samsung and not allow them to sell their Snapdragons in Galaxy phones.

11. UglyFrank

Posts: 2200; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Nvidia has used TSMC consistently for years

6. wargreymon

Posts: 764; Member since: Nov 05, 2013

No way they are going to TSMC 16nm, it should be TSMC 10nm or equivalent.

5. dimas

Posts: 3446; Member since: Jul 22, 2014

I'd still go for an exynos device next year. It's so damn good with multitasking and battery efficiency.

8. Martin_Cooper

Posts: 1774; Member since: Jul 30, 2013

There seems there isnt a better cpu in the android world, sammy seems to have perfected the exynos and kudos to them. Wish more OEM's would go with exynos and not crapdragon. Unless samsung wants to keep exynos just for them, although I remember last years few chinese phones had exynos.

7. Kumar123 unregistered

I wish Qualcomm had done this a long time ago. TSMC and Qualcomm had their problems in their 20nm processor but with 16nm tsmc's processor node are so good that It would be a shame if Qualcomm have not utilize TSMC's 10nm. And they will use 2nd gen fan out tech whereas samsung will debut fan out tech with 10nm. I have no doubt tsmc's 10nm will be vastly superior to samsung's 10nm.

16. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

Do you know that Samsung made better SOC (5433) than 810 (similar CPU cores) in 20nm 6 months before Qualcomm and TSMC did it. TSMC's 10nm won't be ready till 830 goes out. It might be superior slightly. It doesn't matter though as it would be out late, and most of the flagships will be already on sale. TSMC will be first to come out with 7nm though, they have advantage there.

12. torr310

Posts: 1725; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Maybe Samsung just rushed again to claim they are the first maker on the 10nm process. TSMC is a more trustworthy company with consistent quality.

20. Shamoy

Posts: 112; Member since: Dec 28, 2013

Agreed. TSMC does not care about gaining #1 status for production. They care about #1 quality and a reasonable timeframe (even if its a bit later) for their products. That's why TSMC 16nm > Samsung 14nm. Its not about the nm only, its also about the purity of the manufacturing.

13. Diego!

Posts: 880; Member since: Jun 15, 2009

I hope Samsung kicks Qualcomm's butt back by releasing phones with Exynos chips only. That'd be awesome! :D

14. joeytaylor

Posts: 957; Member since: Feb 28, 2015

Is the 830 going to be quad core or octo core

17. Shamoy

Posts: 112; Member since: Dec 28, 2013

Its an octa core.

18. Shamoy

Posts: 112; Member since: Dec 28, 2013

RIP Samsung

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