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No Windows Phone flagship until second half of 2015, MWC to focus on low-end

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No Windows Phone flagship until second half of 2015, MWC to focus on low-end
As we noted recently when looking through the surprises that came with 2014 flagship smartphones, there wasn't really any proper flagship Windows Phone over the past year. The trouble was mainly that Microsoft took over Nokia, which derailed many Nokia products; and, since Nokia is responsible for the vast majority of WP devices, that caused problems. Now, it seems that those issues will persist, as the latest says that there won't be a new Windows Phone flagship until the second half of 2015.

According to Geek On Gadgets, the plan for Mobile World Congress in 2015, which will be at the beginning of March, Microsoft has no plans to show off any high-end flagship devices. Instead, Microsoft will potentially be featuring a successor in the Lumia 6xx series in the mid-range, and something in the Lumia 3xx or 4xx series on the low-end. There will be nothing shown off for a high-end Windows Phone device, which would mean that the earliest we would see a true high-end flagship Windows Phone device could be the second half of 2015. Of course, this would be specifically talking about a Microsoft flagship, but at this point we don't know who else would offer a flagship WP device. Maybe HTC, but even that might not happen until the second half of 2015. 

We've seen plenty of leaks recently of the Nokia McLaren (aka the Lumia 1030), but in spite of those leaks, it has been said that the device has been cancelled and will never be released. Overall, this seems like trouble for Windows Phone. The platform has done relatively well in the low-end, but that alone can't sustain a mobile OS; and, there has yet to be a device to prove that Windows Phone can be a success in the high-end. Microsoft is undoubtedly hoping that Windows 10 can change that, but we're unconvinced so far. 

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posted on 15 Dec 2014, 21:56

1. Birds (Posts: 1171; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

That is fine... Take your time Microsoft. There isn't any rush... Just make sure that flagship slays when it hits shelves.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:44 4

8. lsutigers (Posts: 821; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)

No rush???? Meanwhile Android and iOS at killing Windows Phone in sales. Honestly they had decent flagships this year with the Lumia Icon and HTC One on the largest U.S. carrier and Verizon still couldn't manage to sell the phones. I think Microsoft desperately needs a flagship to take on the big two OS's, but they need it on all big 4 carriers in the US.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 23:21 1

12. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 169; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)

Microsoft makes more money with low-end phones than with high end, especially in Asia. US is a weak market for them right now, even with their quality phones.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 00:12 1

15. Spedez (Posts: 513; Member since: 29 Aug 2014)

That's just a load of bs. Nokia made about 300-400 million loss for every last 4-5 quarters thanks to WP and low-end models they had to sell on loss. You think 99$ smartphone makes profit? MS said themselves they plan to break even in 2016. That's kind of sad how much cash they have.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 21:57 2

2. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1351; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)

This is good news as consumer able to buy cheap phone with flagship DNA inside

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:01 1

3. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Bulls**t!!!! We all are waiting for a Nokia/MS flagship that will whipe out Note 4. Who gives a damm about some low end crap!!!. All we need is a flagship that will give a stiff fight to Note 4 and Nexus 6

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:33

6. nokia12 (Posts: 580; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)

i think you meant Note 5 and Nexus 7 :P we are talking about sept 2015 now lol ..

wait for liveitup to come , and see how he will hail Microsoft for this epic strategy..

well Ms fanboys don't mind that , they have been trained by microsoft to keep waiting and defending MS forever..

so i am guessing windows 10 for mobiles will be delayed till sept 2015 as well...

and then they will fight against Nokia Android flagship phone( foxcon) in jan 2016

i am willing to bet in the meantime blackberry will happily surpass windows phone in the flagship category..

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:35

17. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Last year, Nokia launched a killer 1520 to tear the back of Note 4. This year they launched nothing. They should have launched a 1520 successor to kill note 4.

1) Samsung will unavaile Galaxy S6
2) Sony will unavaile Xperia Z4
3) LG will unavaile Optimus G3 Pro or G4
4) HTC will unavaile M9

And Nokia / Microsoft's answer to these amazing flagship devices will be low end CRAP!!!!

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:05 1

16. Ishtiaque99 (Posts: 68; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)

WP will wipe out Note 4 probably in your dreams, it won't happen in real world.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:48

19. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

See yourself. 1520 us superior than note 3 from every angle

1) Better camera, even note 4 camera isn't closer to the camera of 1520 and 930. With Denim update, it will become much batter
2) Better build quality
3) Better sound quality
4) Premium look and feel compared to cheap plastic and faux leather of Note 3.

The only advantages Note 3 offers over Lumia 1520 are
1) S-Pen
2) Super AMOLED screen and
3) 1GB more RAM, but that won't make any difference, because WP 8.1 is much more optimized.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 03:42

27. mayur007 (Posts: 577; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)

note 3 has way way way more productivity

but yes in terms of camera nokia is superior anyday

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 04:12

29. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Forgot to mention battery life, sunlight readibility and music quality. Yes note 3 is more productive because of the extra software that Samsung offers. Some people like it, for some people its just a bloatware. We are not comparing the software aspect here.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 10:31

37. mayur007 (Posts: 577; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)

yes but when its comes to comparison it should go with all aspects

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:54

21. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

If Nokia / Microsoft would have launched for a true 1520 successor with camera slightly better, SD 805 processor, I don't see any reason, why it will not whipe out Note 4, just like the way 1520 did with Note 3.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 02:35

23. Suo.Eno (Posts: 524; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)

You're thinking short term when you mention SD805, SoC-wise Windows of all mobile OS should make the proper aarch64 jump YESTERDAY and bring us that Ubuntu Edge promise. Behind the curve in sense of trying to blanket the landscape w/ more devices in an attempt to stoke some more fire for devs' interest.

But the problem now regardless of your expectations MS seems to be desperate enough to try and bring in that low end below the belt pain instead, which means that upper midrange - flagship models are in the backburner and definitely no serious aarch64 moves any time soon.

With $100 Android One phones and even lower Chinese OEMs' incoming, at least in my country Malaysia they don't have a prayer against cheap Androids.

posted on 23 Dec 2014, 16:29

41. William13 (Posts: 27; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)

I don't see Android going all that much further than what they have so far. I've used Android since 2010 because I hate Apple and their desire for control, and their treating customers like idiots (and their success would say their customers are idiots) but I'm sick of being advertised to. I feel like the market is about to be primed and ready for a newcomer that can innovate and change the game. Windows isn't really a newcomer but they can make a lot of ground with low to mid-range phones. I know everyone here thinks they're a business guru and they know how to save MS but let's all acknowledge that we're regular guys on a phone forum and MS is a multi-billion dollar company that has lasted through all the ups and downs. They know how to survive (they survived that awful creation that was WP6 didn't they?) So my money is on them and not some guy on a cell phone forum. I want to switch fully to WP (my work phone is WP and my personal is Android) so I definitely want a flagship too, but if I have to wait then that's what I have to do. If I can get universal apps between my laptop and my phones, I'll never have a need for another OS again.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:03

4. GenericFanboy (Posts: 50; Member since: 05 Sep 2014)

Cant wait to see the FIRST windows phone "flagship" been waiting forever!

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:26

5. meanestgenius (Posts: 16265; Member since: 28 May 2014)

Not a sound strategy IMO, but if Microsoft can put out more handsets along the lines of the "affordable flagship" known as the Lumia 830 and market them as such, they may be able to quell the appetite of Windows fans until they release a high-end flagship phone. I'm rooting for you Microsoft. The more choices of OS's there are, the better off the industry and the consumers will be.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:35

7. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)

Optimistic bunch, that's spirit.

This means about time of the big boys are released in 15?

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:56 1

9. Sharky (Posts: 243; Member since: 24 Jun 2008)

Microsoft is killing its own mobile platform slowly, but surely. Windows 10 is really going to have to up the ante. I still have hope and I thought WP had plenty of potential, but I'm losing faith now. My brother was a huge WP fan from the time the Lumia 920 came out, but after the 1020 he decided to go back to Android.

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 06:39

32. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

Hard to go back to anything after a 1020 imo, i dont need a larger phone like a note when my tablet kills it. For me 5in is about as big as i can go, and will be testing that with the recent 930 purchase.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 22:57

10. FerneyZan (Posts: 97; Member since: 21 Jul 2010)

This really doesn't make any sense at all.. Microsoft is dramatically limiting them selves here.. They can easily bring up a Flagship Smartphone while focusing on tons of lower spec models if they want.. What exactly are they thinking..

When I go to Samsung, HTC or Motorola, the last thing in my mind is to look for a cheap/low end smartphone.. I'm not rich here, so don't get me wrong. But while they focus on the low end models to reach out more people, the heavy users and people that love Flagship types, are going to just look the other way and be happy with other brands..

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 06:41

33. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

And those are the types that usually won't look as MS right at this moment. And those are usually the ones to 'rebuy' a flagship each year. As in going from the note 3 to the note 4.

Right now they are not looking to topple samsung. However, the wait could be the coming of a x86 phone from the baytrail line.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 23:20 2

11. yahia_malka (Posts: 186; Member since: 27 Mar 2014)

Windows phone is done .....

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 23:33 1

13. Bondurant (Posts: 573; Member since: 04 Jun 2014)

Good decision. That Maclaren should be totally redesigned and come up with a 6inch Surface pro style phablet.

posted on 15 Dec 2014, 23:46 1

14. willywanta (Posts: 416; Member since: 04 Jun 2014)

well, good luck with that

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:48 1

18. mokhtar (Posts: 405; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)

Wp is going with strategy of selling more phones not who s the best, but who the hell will buy this low crap wp, i mean if i want a low end i will go with moto or some xperia or samsumg.. Not a boring os with boring design..

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 03:31

26. Venkatramanan (Posts: 319; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)

It is exactly the other way around. Except Moto, Sony, HTC and Samsung Android phones can not give smooth performance in the low end segment. But WP is very smooth in that specs. My opinion is Android for flagship and WP for low end / mid end. (But I prefer WP flagship too.)

posted on 23 Dec 2014, 16:39

42. William13 (Posts: 27; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)

Its hard to have a valid opinion on low-end phones when all you use is a high-end. I sell all this crap everyday and Android low-end phones (aside from the MotoG) are utter and complete garbage. Android isn't an OS that was designed for low-end processors and

posted on 16 Dec 2014, 01:50 1

20. maverick786us (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Irrespective of my previous comments, One reason I can think of delay is, because of the issue that Qualcom is facing with its Snapdragon 810 processors.

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