Microsoft sues Kyocera for allegedly infringing on its Android patents

Microsoft sues Kyocera for allegedly infringing on its Android patents
Microsoft has filed a suit against Kyocera, claiming that the manufacturer infringed on seven Microsoft patents related to the Android OS. Ironically, Microsoft owns quite a number of patents related to Android and has licensing deals with some major Android manufacturers including Samsung. LG, HTC and ZTE. A couple of years ago, some computations showed that Microsoft could earn as much as $8.8 billion annually from those patents by 2017.

In the suit, Microsoft accuses Kyocera of infringing on patents related to text messages and location services. The lines affected by the suit include the Kyocera Duraforce, Hydro and Brigadier handsets.

Microsoft has asked a federal judge to issue an injunction that would prevent Kyocera from importing the affected models into the U.S. Despite taking Kyocera to court, Microsoft still seeks an amicable resolution.

source: Reuters



1. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

Microsoft uses money from Android's patents to subsidy WP OEMs. What a smart move!

4. Penny

Posts: 1859; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

To subsidize WP for OEMs, now that they are offering free licensing of WP to OEMs.

9. seven7dust unregistered

Microsoft is a bunch of a*holes, they probably make more money by suing android manufacturers than selling their own windows phone devices. they spend 40 billion a year on R&D and yet can't make a decent device. they are a joke of a company that relies on their monopoly and patent trolling to steal money from customers. no one buy a WP device , don't support monopolies !!!

15. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

you make zero sense

21. seven7dust unregistered

was talking about windows phone devices !!! they all are so meh ! despite the huge R&D budgets , plus the O.S is so far behind it's not even funny.

26. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

So far behind? Please tell me what the average joe, the 70% of low cost droids that make up the entire android market have that is so far ahead? Customization? sure i guess if that is a far ahead advancement.

18. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

As elite wolverine said, you make no sense. That 40 billion is to make these patents and new ones, inventing things. Now of someone uses your invention without paying you (stealing) wouldn't you want your money back? As you said, they spend all that R&D. And all the companies pay patents to each other. Just because the last two big ones have been MS means nothing. You people are promoting stealing of you believe Kyocera can use patent, not pay and get away with it.

23. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I just completed another Microsoft enterprise software training. During the training there are mentioned of companies with competing product past and present. Past means they are no longer around. They do have one thing in common putting resources building business on a OS company that also build application. If they see your business is striving they will build completing products to challenge you. The latest being VMware vs microsoft:hyper-v. And since VMware has more features and established, Microsoft is giving their hyper-v free of charge. What kind of business partner is Microsoft? VMware did commit resources to build VMware for the windows platform. What would happen to VMware in 5 years times. My assessment is to build your application on thin linux os and quit windows to avoid the final extermination.

27. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

What does that have to do with anything I said. Honestly, I would like to know how you made that correlation

30. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I am in full agreement that OEM pay for the necessary licenses. In fact i am happy that Microsoft allow Android manufacturers to license those patent rather than just trying to stop them altogether. Its just that for people doing software business is Windows a viable platform to invest your time and money on? Given so many companies in the past has failed when they compete with their principle. An OS and a software application company. Would I want to put my eggs in Microsoft basket? To me that a no.

31. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

Again, what does this have to do with Kyocera not paying Microsoft for their patents?

32. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Just ask google how successful their own company was by launching google and letting it have access to the number one OS on desktops. How about Chrome? Some companies dream is to be bought out by MS so they sell, not all but i would gather that a decent amount would not mind MS knocking on their door and seeing millions pushed at them.

48. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I am not asking for agreement I just sharing my thought on Microsoft as a software company. I agreed that some company would like to cash out as well but not every one of them hence the various anti trust lawsuits on them. Google develop chrome and android to continue to stay relevant. If they remain as a search engine in windows platform they would have gone the way of netscape and lotus notes.

43. anthonykitmcinis

Posts: 4; Member since: Feb 03, 2015

Sorry bud. I am buying the Lumia 640XL as soon as it drops.

2. Busyboy

Posts: 732; Member since: Jan 07, 2015

Was shocked when I found out Microsoft earns around $5 for every Android device sold. Makes me wonder why Microsoft doesn't release an Android flagship.

3. Penny

Posts: 1859; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

I remember the number being something like $15, but only with a few specific Android OEMs.

5. corporateJP

Posts: 2458; Member since: Nov 28, 2009

Because it would be a piece of s*** with a horrible skin on it, especially if Flop gets to touch it (ala Nokia XL).

8. Penny

Posts: 1859; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

I think TouchWiz has that market cornered corporateJP.

12. tech2

Posts: 3487; Member since: Oct 26, 2012

Firstly, apart from the nerds, in my personal experience I've never seen someone disliking TouchWiz UI. Secondly, it's still Android. Don't like it ? You can customize it to your heart's content. Lastly, the new theming option with new TouchWiz (which is incredibly built it in the UI that it even applies the changes of UI to app) will help users customize the experience even further.

36. penguinbelly

Posts: 162; Member since: Dec 27, 2014

It is a weird thing. I tried to convince a friend to get a Nexus 5 instead of Galaxy S5, only to fail. A lot of non-techie consumers like Touchwize look for whatever reason.

40. Penny

Posts: 1859; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

Yes, this is true. My brother and his wife are both TouchWiz fans, and they can't stand stock Android. Most normal people I come across seem to like it, but then most people don't really know about the world outside of TouchWiz either. As kind of an objective third party who has experience with both stock and TouchWiz but uses neither as a daily driver, here's what I think about TouchWiz: - Interface looks a little too "amateurish" for lack of a better word. Looks like somebody took a look at kid's playing blocks and translated that into an interface. I like something a little cleaner, more sophisticated. - Only recently has TouchWiz started to get comparably smooth to stock Android devices. While the stock UI is nothing special, it is buttery smooth. However, from what I have seen, Samsung devices still tend to get bogged down more over time than more minimalistic devices like the Moto X.

42. tech2

Posts: 3487; Member since: Oct 26, 2012

Maybe but I think they've ironed out those issues with Lollipop. Infact, I remember seeing a video in which Note 4 was faster then Nexus 6. Their UI has evolved significantly since ICS era and its pretty tolerable with Android L. Not as minimalist as I would like but the implementation of card layouts and more whites in UI has bought them ever so closer to lollipop. Besides I slap a Nova Launcher as soon as i get a new phone. So it doesn't really bother me.

6. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Because they want the whole pie for themselves. WP allows them to do that.

7. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

They could still do that with Android. Unlike HTC, Samsung, Sony, etc., Microsoft already controls a full-fledged ecosystem. All they have to do is produce a line of Android handsets and have everything tie into that ecosystem. Everyone should know that the Xiaomis, Huaweis, and even Samsungs of the world won't survive the smartphone wars because none of them have ecosystems. The only thing those OEMs control is something that is heading towards commoditization, and that is not the road to prosperity. When it is all said and done, only the companies that control ecosystems will be left standing.

10. SuperNova

Posts: 649; Member since: Jan 15, 2015

So Microsoft can earn money from this, and that's why they don't really care about WP market share.

14. dlsnhuff

Posts: 111; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

and if google in the future has occupy many technology stuffs, it wouldn't tell monopolize. Maybe microsoft has been giving chance to google, so the creativity keep on track

16. sip1995

Posts: 1771; Member since: Feb 07, 2014

The case will be solved when they'll release a Windows Phone device....

29. soldier820

Posts: 115; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

Good job Microsoft, since you are not making any money on your devices. Might as well make some money suing other companies. Cool....

33. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

How does that even make sense? (your comment that is)

35. corporateJP

Posts: 2458; Member since: Nov 28, 2009

Makes perfect sense to people not in the Microsoft camp...

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