Leica was "deeply involved" in engineereing the Huawei P9 dual camera

Leica was "deeply involved" in engineereing the Huawei P9 dual camera

A smartphone like the Huawei P9 can't go unnoticed. Announced earlier this month, it made headlines with its intriguing dual camera, co-engineered with renowned optics company Leica. This alone was enough to draw shutterbugs' attention, but to fuel excitement even further, Huawei promoted its latest flagship with a mighty bold tagline – reinvent smartphone photography.

Needless to say, expectations for the Huawei P9 and its photographic capabilities were set high, which is why the "news" of Leica having almost no input in designing the P9's dual camera sparked quite the controversy. Allegedly, the phone's camera was only "certified" by the German optics company, not co-engineered with it. In other words, it was speculated that the Leica branding was mostly for show. These reports have been inaccurate, as it becomes clear from this official joint statement from Huawei and Leica, embedded below.

To summarize, it is true that the Huawei P9 camera module was manufactured by a third party, Sunny Optical. However, it is the result of Leica's expertise in lens calculation. The latter was also involved in designing the camera's mechanical construction and developing its image processing algorithms. Hopefully, this should put to rest all claims that the Huawei P9 camera has almost nothing to do with Leica. And if you're curious to know how its photos look like, be sure to read our Huawei P9 review.

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45 Comments

1. pooma

Posts: 85; Member since: Oct 01, 2015

p9 is good using pro mode but s7 has a best camera for common people, double tap the home button, point and shoot, boom!! quality photo in any situation under 3 seconds..

20. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

S7 picture feel like they are all done in photoshop but yeah they look nice. I take realistic picture with no photoshoping anyday over it on the other hand.

38. belovedson

Posts: 1060; Member since: Nov 30, 2010

Leica panasonics suck balls. Let's do some tests before assuming this phone to be good or bad

2. manojmcn

Posts: 633; Member since: Jul 16, 2015

Moral of the story: Leica doesn't have any expertise in mobile camera. Companies need not waste time and energy cooperating with them. Learn from Samsung, they manage their own camera division and R&D team.

22. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Funny i really like the result from this leica camera i seen several review and at least picture dont look artificial like Samsung. Maybe Samsung are good with the sensor but this year camera software is not really good.

26. TerryTerius unregistered

Honestly... I can't remember you ever having a single positive opinion about Samsung.

3. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Again it's mere or symbolic if you will involvement on the Leica side. Because all they did is certified . I don't know how certification process works exactly but I guess certified receiver has to follow certain path to be certified. No more no less. And all that long list of engineering cooperative involvement is a big crap of semantics. Something like rebranding Panasonic cameras to Leica.

6. 2.5GHz

Posts: 270; Member since: Apr 03, 2016

"And all that long list of engineering cooperative involvement is a big crap of semantics" @nebula. This article says: "The latter was also involved in designing the camera's mechanical construction and developing its image processing algorithms."... That's a fact. Leica actually was deeply involved in the P9's camera! Stop spewing hate. You can prove what you claim to be "semantics".

7. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

I know for sure if you add such keyword as "deeply" it certainly gives impression of something on the large scale yet unsubstantial leading people to believe it even more just like a phrase "Collaborative development" because it is very vague definition and you can you juggle with it as you like. There is nothing substantial about this letter whatsoever. Have you ever came across Leica rebranding Panasonic cameras and selling them for Leica? It is a matter of fact not hate.

9. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

btw did you just read the title and then make those 2 comments?

10. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

I don't follow you?

11. Hydrocaliz

Posts: 39; Member since: Apr 20, 2016

You really should read the actual article before you post such a pathetic comment like this, thank you very much. "Our co-engineering is deeply embedded in the product and Leica’s contribution has involved: Collaborative development, evaluation and optimization of optical design (lens calculation) in compliance with Leica standards. Collaborative development of the mechanical construction of the camera module to reduce stray light effects (“ghost and flare”). Definition of imaging quality in terms of color rendition/color fidelity, white balance, stray light reduction (“ghost & flare effects”), exposure precision, dynamic range, sharpness and noise characteristics. Processing of image data with the aid of long-standing Leica optical and signal processing expertise. Definition of the most stringent common quality standards and production requirements for serial production by Huawei to ensure consistently high quality." Now please keep your mouth shut.

13. Abdbaas

Posts: 136; Member since: Apr 05, 2016

@hydrocaliz you were probably of the people who believed qualcomm when they said the snapdragon 810 didn't have any heating issue..

23. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

SD 810 throttled up to 50% and Exynos in S6 up to 40% Still both where butter smooth with no lag in games and no lag in UI. So Abdbaas you probably of the ppl who ignored fact thats the exynos heated as well and thats the issue was overblown as end result where smooth and fast phone.

30. Hydrocaliz

Posts: 39; Member since: Apr 20, 2016

Many reviewers claimed that phone with Snapdragon 810 but no proper heat pipes overheat a lot, and it is also proved that phones with SD810 heat up and throttle much more quickly and drastically compared to phones using Exynos 7420. So you can tell that the Qualcomm was obviously lying about it. However, you cannot prove that Leica has NOT involved in the camera development of P9. There is no way. Because YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF FOR THAT. Understood, boy?

14. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Of Course I read but do you read it carefully and process it unbiasedly ? It seems are very good and copying and pasting. Bravo! Now tell me to what extend collaboration was actually taken to and how much of actual knowledge they shared because every technical term and actions there is tied to "Collaborative development". Mind you it's not like they done it themself but both. There is clever wording again. How do you think branding works and why collaboration between both companies was signed only couple of months before actual announcement? How do you think Huawei previously did lens calculation, colour rendition calculations, algorithms? One has to think from the business point of view to spot this wittiness in the letter and how actual marketing wording phrasing is done. I would keep my mouth shut if camera with Leica branding slacked at the back of the phone beat the living being out of the best smartphone cameras available before. But the fact is they didn't!

27. knwr8

Posts: 2; Member since: Apr 18, 2016

unbiased? dude you're in every comment section hating on this phone...

21. tedkord

Posts: 17131; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

There's even less substantial about your claims, just conjecture on your part. I think I'll go with the parties involved over some guy on the internet.

25. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Interesting, fiercest critic comes from someone who actually has little to nothing substantial to say. Best of luck with your internet adventures :)

28. tedkord

Posts: 17131; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

My substance matched or exceeded yours. You had zero facts, only conjecture. Good luck with your continued hate trolling.

29. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Einstein, you don't even know whether you match or exceed it but since you have calculated I have zero you must be using some sort of advanced scientific algorithm sertified and co developed in the labs of coach scientific community. Tell me about facts you know without copying and pasting that was already done?

4. 2.5GHz

Posts: 270; Member since: Apr 03, 2016

"Hopefully, this should put to rest all claims that the Huawei P9 camera has almost nothing to do with Leica."... Then why did you publish an article not based on facts, but mere claims? People bashed Huawei on that article about Leica having nothing to do with the P9's camera. And it harms Huawei's reputation.

8. TerryTerius unregistered

I was wondering the same thing. Hilarious lack of self awareness in that comment.

12. Hydrocaliz

Posts: 39; Member since: Apr 20, 2016

The funny thing is that some people still try to bash Huawei even after they made an official comment about this whole "Leica-actually-has-nothing-to-do-P9" bulls**t... Seriously those people need to grow up.

16. Andrewtst

Posts: 696; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

The reputation drop is Leica. They just want money and money can let them sell their brand. How incorporated also means nothing when the hardware itself is not done by itself.

32. Hydrocaliz

Posts: 39; Member since: Apr 20, 2016

Any proof for that?

5. Abdbaas

Posts: 136; Member since: Apr 05, 2016

Does it know remind you of qualcomm when they were trying to convince us about the SD810 not having any heat issue? They can lie, the camera reviews won't.

24. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Tech review website can also lie like they did by not informing ppl thats Exynos in S6 heated almost as much as the SD810.

31. Hydrocaliz

Posts: 39; Member since: Apr 20, 2016

not "as much", but like you say Exynos 7420 certainly does overheat.

15. Andrewtst

Posts: 696; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

How deep they incorporating. The lens is not make by them already enough to said it is not the Leica level quality. Leica just make itself dropping the brand. In future any manufacture lens can simply put Leica as long Leica received the money. Bad decision by Leica.

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