Kuo: 2020 iPhones will have a smaller notch

Kuo: 2020 iPhones will have a smaller notch
When it comes to Apple insiders no one knows the company's supply chain better than TF Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and their latest inside reveals some very interesting tid-bits: iPhones will have a smaller notch, but that change will not happen this year, but rather in 2020.

The iPhone X launched with the infamous notch in late 2017 starting a design trend that many other phone makers then copied, but right now in 2019, we are already seeing true edge-to-edge designs with no notch and practically no bezel that look really futuristic and spur questions about the dated look of a phone with a notch. For Apple, however, the notch is not just a design element: it houses the TrueDepth camera system, a complex module that makes a 3D depth map of your face and provides an extremely secure way of unlocking the phone, paying for goods, and quickly signing into services. It is a cornerstone of the Apple experience, but the whole Face ID module is rather large, so hiding it is an extremely difficult task. What Apple seems to have obviously figured out is a way to minimize it in 2020.

The company is also working towards the bigger goal of completely removing the notch, and the way to do that would be to place the whole Face ID module under the screen, so it works through the display, but is hidden from view.


The current report also says that Apple will transition to a 7-piece lens for the main, rear camera, an upgrade from the current 6-piece lens that it uses.

In addition to that report, we have seen another institution, Credit Suisse, predict that we might even see a notch-less iPhone next year. Its channel checks have allegedly shown that Apple screen suppliers are developing edge-to-edge screens with no cutouts.

Interestingly, Credit Suisse also claims that Apple will start using optical fingerprint readers, much like what we now have on phones like the OnePlus 7 Pro and Huawei P30 Pro. It goes on to say that a future iPhone might arrive with both the Face ID system AND the optical fingerprint reader. That is something that we have serious doubts about as it would mean using two biometrical systems that double each other in function and will likely raise the already high prices of iPhones.

A third report released in early July speculated that Apple is planning to release a China-only iPhone that uses an under-the-screen fingerprint scanner, a cheaper component than Face ID and one that will help bring the price down to appease the cost-sensitive Chinese customer.

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70 Comments

1. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Why would Apple make notches on the iPhones? The TrueDepth camera system is hosted in the top BEZEL.

4. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

I knew Leo wouldn't be able to resist this one! Lol Ok Leo, just for you, Apple will be reducing the size of the fugly, intrusive "bezel". Call it what you like but it's definitely an eyesore.

9. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Smaller bezels are always welcomed.

16. sgodsell

Posts: 7028; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Leo_MC why have a big notch on top, especially when Apple is changing the FaceID camera setup to a Time of Flight camera instead. FaceID consists of multiple sensors, where as 1 ToF camera can replace all of Apple's current FaceID stuff, like the IR camera, 3D dot (30,000 dots) projector, and a regular camera. So when Apple does decide to put on a single ToF camera, then it will naturally save space on top. Not hard to figure out. Also Apple's FaceID can only scan a face. Where as the new ToF camera can map anything and everything in its view. It's a no brainer that ToF is superior, and why it's already used on a number of Android smartphones.

23. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

When - and if - Apple is going to adopt a tof camera and - if - it will put it under the screen, the top BEZEL will be smaller; until then, the only "notch" in iPhone is the dent where the speaker grill lies.

13. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1299; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

Leo doesn't seem to grasp that a cut-out in the screen fits the definition of notch: an indentation or incision on an edge or surface. You're very right on it being an eyesore. At least they're making it smaller now, of course Android OEMs are moving towards complete notchless and near bezelless display next year. But it's only innovation if Apple does it, am I right Leo?

24. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

There is no cutout in the screen of X-series iPhones; Apple EXTENDED the screen to the right and at the left of FID/ff camera system, shrinking the top bezel, just like LG did with V-series a long time ago.

26. Guaire

Posts: 870; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

"Apple EXTENDED the screen to the right and at the left" Do you seriously believe that crap?

27. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

That's a fact, not a crap. First it was the top bezel of iPhone 7 (+) than Apple extended the display where used to be the bottom bezel and extended where the top bezel used to be one to the level you see it in the X.

29. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

"That's a fact, not a crap." Here's a perfect instance of his poor understanding of colloquial English. Leo it's supposed to be "not crap", there's no "a" unless you're "taking a crap" for example. You simply don't understand English properly and continually make a fool out of yourself.

35. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I'm pretty sure that if I use the indefinite article for the first word, I also have to use it for the second. I looked twice to see if I am on a English language forum - I'm not, so let's get back to talking tech.

40. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

Then you'd be pretty wrong. Look 500 times and you'd still be wrong. You interpret English like a robot. That's not how language works you dummy.

47. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I’m ok with people like you thinking I’m being wrong. Get over it.

30. Vancetastic

Posts: 951; Member since: May 17, 2017

They extended the display top and bottom. Then they cut out a portion at the top for the camera and sensors. Eyes will tell you this, but you have to use them.

38. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

There's nothing "cut out": Apple simply extended the display, leaving a space in the middle for a tiny bezel which hosts the FID system.

41. Vancetastic

Posts: 951; Member since: May 17, 2017

Take the “L”, Leo. You’re convincing no one.

48. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I don’t have to.

53. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Tiny, are you joking? It is one of the biggest notches/cutouts/bezels or whatever you want to name or misname it (in your case), on compatible phones.

62. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Xperia. Galaxy Note, S9, pixel, G8S, M20p. Those are some of the best devices and they all have big top bezels.

64. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

The Samsungs do not have big top bezels, a big bezel is like that on iPhone 6,6s,7, and 8 models or of course those with huge notches like the X.

66. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

S9’s top bezel is bigger than the top bezel of iPhone X. Ps: where is the link to Apple’s official statement where it uses the word “notch”?

69. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

You are incorrect the X has a huge cutout, notch or extended bezel whatever you want to call it. That means a much bigger bezel than the S9. Yet again you ignore the obvious and think you are correct. As I said, I have already sent you a link showing that statement, so why do you keep asking. You denied it last time when I sent it so why keep lying.

32. Guaire

Posts: 870; Member since: Oct 15, 2014

You are in denial.

28. TheOracle1

Posts: 2151; Member since: May 04, 2015

Yes he does unfortunately. Leo is from Romania and English is his second language so he's learned it strictly through a dictionary. As far as he's concerned a notch can only be one thing. He also thinks a Lemon can only be a fruit and not, for example, a crappy item like a car. We can only sympathize with him for now until he's cured.

34. oldskool50

Posts: 962; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

I love you man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------> Classic "He also thinks a Lemon can only be a fruit and not, for example, a crappy item like a car."

37. darkkjedii

Posts: 30899; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

It's a notch

39. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

It's a gulf.

43. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Where's the "innovation" tiny holes and tiny bezels are the "trend" now, not huge bezels and or notches! Who said trends where innovation????

49. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Again with your lack of understanding of the written word...

54. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

I am English I understand it very well. It is you that has a problem. as you are clearly showing in this thread.

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