KGI: Apple is two years ahead of Qualcomm with 3D sensing tech

Apple was years ahead of the industry when it first launched a 64-bit chip in its iPhone 5s, and it was years ahead with the introduction of fingerprint scanning, and this year, the expected signature feature of the Apple iPhone 8 - its 3D face scanning feature that will replace fingerprint scanning - is said to be at least 2 years ahead of the closest competitor, Qualcomm, according to a report by KGI Securities' Ming-Chi Kuo. Kuo is one of the best informed Apple insiders that has a nearly spotless track record with leaks and rumors.

Kuo has said that the Apple iPhone 8 will ship with a bezel-less OLED display and a revolutionary new front camera and an infrared module that can sense the 3D space in front of it.

Qualcomm, on the other hand, will not make shipments of 3D sensing products in meaningful qualities until at least 2019, according to Kuo's latest report. Qualcomm is allegedly lagging behind in both hardware and software.

The report also mentions that Chinese Xiaomi is the only company that is currently a potential customer for the upcoming technology, and it is awaiting the market's response to Apple's 3D sensing tech in the iPhone 8 before it develops its own 3D sensing devices.

source: 9to5Mac



1. skyline88

Posts: 700; Member since: Jul 15, 2013

2 years ahead in face scanning, but 3 years behind in terms of proper smartphone functionality as compared with Android. as good as dead......

13. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Light years ahead in stealing technology and taking others credits.

16. sgodsell

Posts: 7574; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The other thing that Victor forgot to mention is Qualcomms tech is accurate to 0.125 mm and works in the dark. How accurate is Apples? Hmm. Let's forget to list that stuff Victor, right. You don't want to paint anyone but Apple in a better light. Speaking of actual facts right Victor. Not to mention they have three different camera models for OEMs. Whereas Apple is always secret and not into giving out specs. Oh if the specs are given out, then they will compare things like a S8 to a iPhone 7 plus. Yet the S8 + should be compared to the iPhone 7 plus. But it's embarrassing to compare an iPhone 7 to anything else these days.

14. adecvat

Posts: 658; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

What? He compared it to Qualcomm technology. What is android doing here? Android implemented sensing tech?

19. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

Only Android fanboys say such silly things. Millions of iSheep in USA, Europe whose average income is way above the rest of the world use their iPhones on a daily basis and are very happy with them. They rely on them 24/7 for office and home work. In the mean time some poor Asian F boys who doesn't have a dime in their pockets screams saying "Android is better, Android is better, Android is Irony. I sympathize those poor souls.

23. ZeeNasir

Posts: 131; Member since: Nov 25, 2012

You think iPhone is expensive??? Haha lolzzz, it's matter of choice. For Apple you have only 1 model, but for Android you get lots off plus different tastes from flagships to low ends. This is Android's beauty. And ppl like you are blind sheep following things with no brain. Now bugg off.


Posts: 151; Member since: Aug 06, 2017

Why is that Android's beauty? Because you have 100 flagships out there that are basically the same phone at different prices? Or 1000 mid to low range devices that are basically the same phone at different prices? What's the beauty in that? Don't get me wrong, I like Android. I'm currently using a Meizu Pro 7 Plus, but to say that Android'd beauty is they have thousands of devices is dumb lol.

33. sgodsell

Posts: 7574; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Diversity is a beautiful thing. Especially when Android offers thousands of different devices from smartphones at a fraction the size of an iPhone SE called the Jelly. To smartphones the size of tablets. Not to mention prices from $20 to thousands of dollars. Something for everyone. Apple for years had only one smartphone. Then Apple changed things up starting with the iPhone 6. Biggest sales jump for Apple so far at 226 million. Apple lost 10 million in sales the next year from the iPhone 6 year. It will be interesting to see if Apple breaks their highest sales year which was the introduction of the iPhone 6's. Why add more iPhones if one was good. Then Apple introduced the iPhone SE. Now this year Apple is adding 3 models. Plus Apple reintroduce the iPhone 6 again with 32 gb of storage instead of 16 gb. But if Androids diversity is really bad. Why is Apple trying to be more like Android? Also why does Android sell around 1.3 billion smartphones a year to Apples 216 million a year (last year's iPhone sales)? Apple cannot compete with Android in sales volume, price ranges, and features, period. I remember conversing with someone on this site. They were saying that Apple could compete with Android in the low end devices. However he stated that it would kill off Android. More like it would kill off Apples high end devices. Why pay $1000 if you could get a brand new iPhone for less than $200. It might not be as fast, but if it could run all the same apps, then why not pay a 1/5 of the price. It's just like phablets have cannibalized tablets, and in Apples case, their iPads. This just makes sense.

2. foreverNOOB

Posts: 179; Member since: Jul 07, 2017

They didn't developed that but just purchase any company with specific tech.

21. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014


3. androidwindows

Posts: 216; Member since: Oct 04, 2014

"Apple was years ahead of the industry when it first launched a 64-bit chip in its iPhone 5s, and it was years ahead with the introduction of fingerprint scanning..." Years ahead? Are kidding? Android implemented those two technologies only months after Apple did, not years.

5. Victor.H

Posts: 1098; Member since: May 27, 2011

Really? I love Android, but let's be factual. Because I look at the Galaxy S6, the first Samsung phone with a proper fingerprint scanner, and it was released more than a year and a half after the iPhone 5s. And the 64-bit chip roll-out on Android was even slower. Of course, you had phones like the HTC One Max that launched within a few months with a fingerprint scanner that stored fingerprints as an image files in an unencrypted folder, but let's agree to not count this as a proper fingerprint implementation.

6. kiko007

Posts: 7520; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Prepare to be called an Apple shill (even though nothing you said is factually incorrect). Hell, does anyone remember QC's first attempt at 64-bit chips? Remember that total s**tshow? It was so bad, Samsung literally said "Nah fam... we good" that year. The SD810 may go down as the most infamous SoC to exist in a mobile phone.

11. blingblingthing

Posts: 980; Member since: Oct 23, 2012

"Really? I love Android, but let's be factual. " Good idea, let's try. Didn't Motorola first bring fingerprint scanning to smart phones? So wasn't Motorola/android years ahead? Didn't android support 64 bit processors all along? So wasn't it years ahead also? Yes Apple has added/cleaned up a few things when they joined the party BUT, they were years behind when they lacked it to be fair. They were years behind adding amoled, wireless charging and HD displays also.

15. nctx77

Posts: 2540; Member since: Sep 03, 2013

Apple came out with Touch ID which is basically a industry standard now. What the Atrix had was pure garbage and no one used it. That's more than "cleaning up a few things"

24. blingblingthing

Posts: 980; Member since: Oct 23, 2012

"What the Atrix had was pure garbage and no one used it.". Look at the Ios in 2011 and Ios now. I can call the older iteration garbage if I wanted to; but the point is, it's still subjective. others will probably agree it's more of a stepping stone for the OS that was likely to be made better. These hardware feats are always the same. CRT -> LCD. Track Ball Mice to Laser. Phones with with Antennae and now none. The truth is, Apple was behind when they lacked it or are you saying the Iphone 5 with no touchID was the same as the Moto with fingerprint authentication?

26. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

With a proper FPS? What a newby you are. First off, all the Android OEM's were going to source Authentec for the same FPS. Then Apple bought the company and prevented the OEM's from gettign it. Samsung simply went with another option vs everyone else just giving up. SWIPE readers have been available for years. They work the same and are equally as quick as any other. As far as 64Bit? What Appel brought to the table was BS. It was so messed up, that many 32Bit apps wouldnt even work. Apps crashed like crazy. If it was done properly like AMD's x64, then 32bit apps would just run as normal. All NIX operating system are already 64bit capable, whether its implemented or not. Apple didnt do anything, that the software foundation didn't already have. They simply rushed to be first. What benefits did it bring? None. You got the OS that crashed more apps than all Android versions combine. No matter how much better you think Apple is, or how much you let Tim Cook spit all in yoru face, while they dupe you of all yoru cash with their marketing hyped BS; it will never be better than what is offered by anyone else. Its so sad, you can't just love all tech and just compare how OEM implement features vs worry about who or what is better. You;re to old. Better is preference, unless its actually better and the iPhone is a worthless overprice behind in everything that matters considering what it costs. Just buy it enjoy i,t but stop trying to make it better than what it is. Because a cheap overpriced phone will never be better than a phone that actually has the features and hardware worthy of its price point. iPhone worse display in iyts cl;ass..OH WAIT...Its a midranged phone soooo.... Worse camera in its class, can't even beat a 3 year old S5 in normal shost and can't even beat the S6 in low light. Takes forever to focus. Tiny battery, terrib;le battery-life. you lucky if it last 6 hours. Takes 3:30 to charge from dead, while the Galaxy takes 90mins or less. No advanced features, cant transfer files over BT, limited audio and video playback, no headphone jack. Comes with cheap headphones, always stupid expensive adapters to do normal things. No mouse support. Terrible USB-to-OTG support. No mass storage, no open file system. What does it have to offer? NOTHING!

4. scarface21173

Posts: 702; Member since: Aug 17, 2014

I don't think apple will thow the kitchen sink at there new phone. You will get a new screen and the rest will be blah blah blah, ie revouloutionary camera never been seen before blah blah blah. We hear the same stuff every year, nothing really changes, theyve been building the hype for months now. Get your iphone ordered now as there might not be enough to go around blah blah blah.

9. peace247 unregistered

Perfect hardware(except headphone jack) cripples by software.

17. jack11141

Posts: 73; Member since: Sep 30, 2015

Apple was 4 years behind htc in dual camera setup. Apple is 20 years behind symbian in file management system. Siri isnt first voice assistant, I had my Nokia n73 with voice assistant. Smartphones flagships are Quad HD from years but apple is behind at 1080p. Problem with this article is not iphone but the aforementioned feature which no one have used.

18. Ninetysix

Posts: 2965; Member since: Oct 08, 2012 This article (dated 8/22/2017) confirms that QC is just getting started with this tech.

27. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You gave no idea when it started. QC has been doing this stuff for at least a year. It would take 3 years to implement such at the least. Which means they had to have started years ago. You must be ignorant. Oh wait, I already know you are!

28. Ninetysix

Posts: 2965; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

So much hate from one single link. When was the last time you had some brosephine? Ask the wife to cook you some chicken adobo and rice to comfort you.

20. poptart574

Posts: 223; Member since: Feb 29, 2016

In april of 2014 a small company at the time named vivo released a phone with a proper finger print sensor in the back that worked well and had a fast unlock time. This phone also launched with 3gb ram and a 2k screen. Talk about way ahead of its time. The world does not revolve around the United States of America. Tech is pushed in all corners of the world.

22. jeroome86

Posts: 2314; Member since: Apr 12, 2012

Ooooh PA. Now that's a click bait for sure.

25. cocoy

Posts: 464; Member since: Oct 30, 2015

Moral lesson of this article is, try to research first before posting this article to avoid being bashed. The tech isn't out yet, it's on the process of proper implementation don't get to excited.

29. brazuca

Posts: 26; Member since: Dec 12, 2016

Moaning and whining will be free in September only for the haters!

30. whatev

Posts: 2411; Member since: Oct 28, 2015

Omg, so many butthurt reports! can’t handle it

32. darkkjedii

Posts: 31598; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

What will do Apple? More features are needed, for that outrageous price. We don't need another one trick pony.

34. kevin007in

Posts: 327; Member since: Oct 28, 2015

at least 3 years apple lag behind in terms of design, software improvements, camera improvement etc. Still the same....... 6 , 6s, 7, 7plus. same old story with apple. Now they r actually following sammy's footsteps with bezel less display. Doing a favor on their customers. POOR apple.

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