The Galaxy S11 may sport a 5nm chipset, while Samsung details its 3nm process


Samsung is currently at the forefront of mobile chipset development, as it is expected to move to a 7nm processors made with the superior EUV (Extreme Ultra-Violet) lithography for the next iterations of the Exynos and Snapdragon processors that it is likely to craft in its foundries.

After this second generation of the 7nm process that Apple's A13 will also sport, comes... 3nm, it seems, as that's what Samsung detailed in a press release today, apart from the humbler step to 5nm which it has apparently already mastered.

A few years back, Samsung's Kinam Kim confirmed at a dedicated conference that "there are no fundamental difficulties until 5nm," and then the thing start getting dicey. Combining obscure-sounding 3nm Gate-All-Around (GAA) process, or 3GAE, Samsung apparently has mapped out possibilities for shrinking the size even further, with the following gains:


That's pretty impressive, and Samsung says that "the GAA-based process node is expected to be widely adopted in next-generation applications, such as mobile, network, automotive, Artificial Intelligence (AI) and IoT."

The process implementation is moving faster than expected, as it can share the same production facilities where Samsung currently makes its FinFET chips, reducing development turnaround time. The Process Design Kit (PDK) for 3GAE has been released in April to clients to start early work on their architectures but first will come 6nm chips later this year, then 5nm in the first half of 2020, just in time for the Galaxy 11. 

The 4nm process development will end this year for possible implementation in the second half of 2020, while the revolutionary 3nm chipsets will likely be reserved for Note 11 times and will stay with us for a good while afterwards. Where does all this ARM race end, before we have chips the size of a pinky nail that are as powerful as our aging desktop computers, and way more frugal? Bring it.

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33 Comments

1. LawnBoy

Posts: 173; Member since: Feb 23, 2019

Innovation. Meanwhile, Apple folded like a cheap suit to Qualcomm just to be able to get 5G tech in their phones, which they will be 2 years late to the party. Innovating from behind.

3. Cat97

Posts: 1861; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

Before applauding "innovation" on paper, let's not forget that current Apple chips are on 7nm while current Samsung chips are on 8nm.

5. OneLove123

Posts: 969; Member since: Aug 28, 2018

Apple didnt make 7nm.

7. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Difference is Apple got it via TSMC. Samsung will be doing it themselves. So yeah one is innovative while the other just buys it.

31. GalaxyLeads_iCrapFollows

Posts: 216; Member since: Nov 29, 2017

Watch Apple come begging Samsung to make their next chip and ditch TSMC

9. Georgio

Posts: 220; Member since: Nov 21, 2016

Where is this innovation? Samsung will never bring a 5nm before apple!! And if they do ; something will go wrong. ( galaxy fold ; note 7) They try to push something before apple ; but they will fail.

12. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

And what about all the things they do right with their displays and other components? They do alot more right then wrong but obviously people have to always comment on negatives. Remember antenna gate and bendgate? " They try to push something before apple ; but they will fail" All apple do is let others take the risk e.g amoled displays Samsung been using them non stop since Galaxy S2 era and finally they using it themselves. They let others take the gamble mature the tech and then Apple just pay to use it. Samsung devices have 5g, One Plus will have 5G so will other devices and Apple will be the last. Same with fold displays. By the time Apple will release their foldable Samsung will be on their 2nd or 3rd iteration. All apple know how to do is get the most out of their customers thats their true innovation.

22. Georgio

Posts: 220; Member since: Nov 21, 2016

I want a fully functional product ; I don't want to pay loads of money and be treated like a beta tester by samsung. They want to be first but they release faulty devices. The same happend with the note 7 ; they wanted a really thin device( I had a note 7). Why do you want 5G now if u can't use it? The network will be ready in 2021. Many people can't even use 4G. They are quite innovative in making displays ; that;s all.

23. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

"They are quite innovative in making displays ; that;s all" The fast UFS memory in the OP7 who makes that? Oh yeah Samsung Really in 2021? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48265421 Im on vodaphone and we getting 5G in 2 months time, and the price tariff is very similar. So like Apple you are 2 years too slow.

30. Georgio

Posts: 220; Member since: Nov 21, 2016

Stay with samsung so you can be a beta tester; just like a lab rat. 8 years of research for galaxy fold hahahahaha

19. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

Who cares if they have it first. They didn't make it, so why does it matter? Apple is an ARM licensee just like Samsung. The only thing Apple does that Samsung doesn't do is, Apple customizes the chip design, while Samsung basically takes ARM chips and places them on their own die with very little change to the original architecture. But Samsung, not only makes the chip; they make the technology behind making the chip. Apple just pays someone to fabricate their chip. But all you cre about is Apple will have it first. I also don't see how the the fold or Note 7 is anythign to go buy as far as Smasung having problems. Apple doesn't even make their own crap, and they have had problem with every product they've ever sold. Samsung has not. Amazing how much you all hate Samsung, when 1/3 of the parts in your phone was probably made by them.

33. hmilles

Posts: 1; Member since: May 16, 2019

Samsung supplies Apples displays, memory and storage chips, some antennas, camera sensors and also used to make their processors...

10. iloveapps

Posts: 855; Member since: Mar 21, 2019

Yet exynos is inferior.

13. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Lets use the latest Apple CPU chip, run it on a device that has a 1440p resolution and then make it run android and lets see the benchmark tests. Spoiler** It wont be as high.

16. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

Inferior to what. The Exynos is very powerful with the Mali. But it better on battery. Eery Exynos Galaxy S and Note have had better battery-life vs their SnapDragon counterparts. And in side by sides tests, the Exynos has bested the iPhone in every real life speed test. Not some "SYNTHETIC" benchmark, which can't duplicate real life usage on any level whatsoever. Your pathetic hate of Samsung isn't even amusing. It just proves you truly and stupidly hate Samsung for no reason, other than you choose too.

17. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

Yes. But just remember this fact, technology gets better after it matures. So 1st gen 5G isn't anything especially since most carriers will have limited access to it at firt. So when Apple does buy 5G modem. for one, all the issues will have been worked out. The process will have matured and will be at its best. But I fell Qualcomm should not have accept edany new deal and just went to court, embarrassed Apple, take all the monet they owe and then pay all their legal fees and then totally close the relationship and not sell Apple any chips and let them fall to their death.

18. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Yes I do get your point but you gotta remember one thing if Apple did 5G or a folded device first it be hailed as the best thing ever. If Samsung took their time and did 5G next year and a fold device all Apple fanboys will be saying Samsung are late to the party and they are copycats. Sad but true.

21. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

man I already know. Appel fans are classically hypocritcal. Look how critical they are of the galaxy Fold. A 1st gen device that has NEVER been done. Yet Apple has been making phones since 2007 and tablets since 2010, and yet both were foldable because of Apple cutting corners. See Apple rushed to make a folding phone and tablet and did it wrong. Everyone else will do it right. I don't care who's first or last. For now I've left buying Apple device. My last was the iPhone 7 and iPad Pro 10.5. I will be sticking with Android/Samsung for the foreseeable future. if apple ever makes an iPad that runs OSX and IOS apps side by side, I will buy that. Until then, I'm just watching the market to see what catches my eye.

2. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Personally i think phones are powerful enough im just hoping its really efficient battery wise. Can't wait for this Samsung really doing well in this regard. Shows why they are so good and why they deserve to be at the top. Making their own ram, displays, cpu, storage, camera sensors for themselves and to sell to others. A truly innovative company.

4. Sam1ne

Posts: 38; Member since: Apr 07, 2019

If I remember correctly, TSMC's 5nm is vastly superior to Samsung's 5nm. Fingers crossed this 3nm promise delivers as I want the Exynos in my hopefully Note 11 to not lag behind anything any more.

8. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

Where did you read that? I know they both 5nm EUV.

15. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

He didn't. lol Because there is no such thinghttps://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/8157-tsmc-samsung-5nm-comparison.html He read it in his dreams of wanting anyone to be better than Samsung.../S

14. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/8157-tsmc-samsung-5nm-comparison.html According to this, the difference between Samsung anf TSMC are marginal. But the margin of which one is better is in Samsung's favor. Samsung is already to use their 5NM, while TSMC, is gonna go from 7NM to 6NM first and then down to 5. While Smausng is going from 7NM to 5NM, with full 5Nm runs for production next year. We could see a 7NM chip in the S11 with the Note 11 having the 5NM chipset. No it not. Even TSMC's 7NM process is not superior to 7NM using EUV. That's why TSMC is moving up to &NM EUV. That is why Samsung didn't have a readied 7NM process. Because they want to kip 1st gen 7NM and just right into the best one which is 7NM EVU fabrication.

20. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

I think Note 10 will have the 7nm S11 and Note 11 will have 5nm. S12 and Note 12 should have 3nm. IF it all goes to plan. Samsung tend to use the same chip in their flagships for the whole year.

32. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Note 10 will have the Exynos 9820, which is 8LPP IMO based on their current roadmap, it will probably be (** on the most likely): S11 and Note 11 (2020) will probably be 7LPP or *6LPP* S12 and Note 12 (2021) will probably be *5LPE* or 4LPE S13 and Note 13 (2022) will probably be 4LPE or *4LPP* (or 3GAE but unlikely) S14 and Note 14 (2023) will probably be *3GAE*

6. OneLove123

Posts: 969; Member since: Aug 28, 2018

I'll waiting for .5nm.

11. oldskool50

Posts: 1323; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

Where you at apple-ruiz. You had nerve to ask someone the other day, to explain how Samsung EUV 7NM process is superior to just standard 7NM that TSMC is using now and is soon moving to the save EUV process? Well if what TSMC had was better, why would they be moving UP to EUV fabrication? This is true innovation. This is why Samsung Foundry is the top chip fabrication company in the world. This is why Qualcomm, Apple, and so many others mostly use or used Samsung for chips. And will continue to do so here and there.

24. apple-rulz

Posts: 2020; Member since: Dec 27, 2016

First, please proofread before you post, your typos are hard on the eyes. Second, you don't even understand what you're posting about EUV lithography, you're just parroting the links you post. Here, answer this easy multi part question in your own words-who will make the masks needed for Samsung's EUV process? Sasmung themselves or a merchant shop? Single die, multi die, UT1X? Please explain your answer in detail, if satisfactory we can move on to the wafer fabrication section next.

25. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

WTH does him having to put in his own words have to do with anything. You always want to know why Samsungs is better and his links tell you that. If you being too lazy to read them then thats on you. "Please explain your answer in detail, if satisfactory we can move on to the wafer fabrication section next." When did he start taking part in an exam LOL Read the links they give enough information, I know you want to try ya best to downplay the things Samsung does. So keep trying but they very weak attempts :D

29. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 554; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

And obviously neither do you cos reading isnt your strong suit because you need things clearly and slowly explained for that brain of yours :D

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