Cyanogen raises $110 million without the help of Microsoft

I doubt they'll last 5 years without Google. The irony maybe cm will be the one whose gonna follow Nokia not Samsung.

The solution to that is to not install them, not replace them with stupid Microsoft apps. It is such a ridiculous argument to "solve" such a "problem" with a even worse "solution".

"God forbid you leave out Google" You are so bitter about Android and Google success that you are not even coherence in your post.

Stop trolling dude. Stick with your failing OS.

So far i don't see a problem, I use the Google Apps that i want and disable the rest. Hmmm... no problem at all. So far i only enable YouTube and Playstore. That's it. I am a happy camper.

I am not saying it is, this is more of a oem problem than anything. To me it doesnt bother me and my Z3 any bit, as stated i disable the ones i dont want and go about my day.

If there no problem, then i shouldn't be hearing your constant whining of nothing. Please be fair to yourself and other Android user. After all, every buyer has a choice to choose other phones. OEM also has the freedom to manufacturer Tizen, Firefox and WP phone if they choose to. If they want Google Play app then they have to play by Google rules. I for one would never spend money on an Android Phone that forbid Google Play Store.

How is that whining? It was in response to someones question. They asked all of a sudden why is there a no google thing going on. Perhaps because of what i mentioned. But hey if that is whining you are right consumers have a choice. I know my choices, i know what phones i have. I know what phones i deal with on a daily basis that are the bane of my existence etc etc etc. I probably wouldnt buy an android phone without google either mainly cause i dont use android enough for me to really care, sure i have my z3 but my 930 sees all my usage most of the time. And i consider myself quite fair, especially since i recommend android on a daily basis to users.

It's always nice to see you passive-aggressively take shots at anything Android. Things like bane of my existence, don't use it enough to care, and then turn around and say I recommend android on a daily basis. Who recommends something to people that they consider the bane of their existence? "I absolutely hate this, you should use it." And did you ever stop and think that maybe the reason they've pulled most of their core apps into their Google Mobile Services is because their competition could potentially take it, patent it, and sue them for something they created? It's one thing to do know evil, it's another to be a trusting fool and let others take advantage of what you do.

Haha passively aggressive, sure you could call it that. Yes it is the bane of my existence in terms of my job. 8hrs a day, a good 6 of which are spent handling android phones and google service errors, contacts crashing, gapps services, youtube crashing after update, google service update crashing htc one dialer, crashing s3s ability to dial out, lollipop update crashing phones etc. The list goes on and on and on. However! I am not some dolt that forces my choice of OS on someone just because. When someone comes in and says, they want customize their phone, or they come in looking for a specific device i will show them such phone, or android, show them how to root if they ask, show them all the fun and cool stuff they can do. However if they ask what do i use, i will tell them, when they ask why, i will tell them, when they ask what i recommend, i will show them android, ios and wp and even bb. Because despite me having a preference, it is not about me, it is about the customer and their needs or wants. If they dont care and wont use much apps, especially the older generation, why would i show them a 200 dollar android when i can show them a 50 dollar windows phone? Or even show them a 50 dollar droids that come back weekly with low memory issues due to preinstalled software we cant get rid of. Tell a 50yr old, sorry you bought this phone now its up to you to root it and get rid of apps, by the way if you root it wrong you can brick it. Yea customers love to hear that dribble. Dont forget, i have put my own cash up in full to purchase note 3, z3 (my current android phone) and other androids. However i also use a WP as my daily driver. I got the z3 cause i test drove it and really like it. I could tell you how within one day of owning it i had to reset it because google services died on me, but it was no big i did so and its working fine, save every so often crashing here and there. But my wp's are not without error either, but have proven to me and my usage far more stable. Right now my 1020 updated over the weekend and is now crashing a few times a day randomly restarting, so today will be a rom reflash for it. Sure they could have, 'could have' however its highly unlikely since if that was they case they would have done it back with android 1.x.

One word hypocrite. You can't even be true to yourself.

True to myself because i have the ability to use more than one OS? Sure pal. No it means i put other peoples wants before i shove my mantra down their throat. When they ask my opinion then i give it to them. But why would I push someone who say, wants an s6 and is quite obvious that he wants an s6 and say, 'nah screw android their evil, here buy this ios instead'. No those people are pricks.

I really see no point in your discussion elitewolverine. Your words are not consistent with your actions. I am true to myself because I can say yes to all the test questions. Do I like Android phone? Do I buy Android phone? Do I use Android phone? Do I recommend Android phone? You are such a twisted individual that everything is complicated for you. However nice chatting with you. You open my eyes a bit more.

Do not confuse my job, and how i help the customer FIRST and THEIR needs, above mine. Do i like android? sure, i dont love it. Do i buy android? yes, one for my job, and two because i can and like playing with new things. (my car collection would be the same) Do i use android? yes, both for job and outside of job. Do i recommend android? Yes, both for customers needs and when they ask. But see you forgot to ask the more important questions because all those are tied into mainly my job. Do i like windows phone? Yes, more than android Do i buy wp? yes, more than android Do i use wp? Yes more than android Do i recommend wp? Yes, above android when asked my opinion. Now if you cant grasp the idea of someone liking a product, recommending a product, but not 'loving' the product then we can all understand at how simply minded you are. I like being complicated. I like the idea that i am not some android sheep running around thinking its the gods send of os on this planet (especially now with all the OS issues i deal with that out number ios and wp combined). I like that i can deal with its flaws, then turn around and deal with an OS that has far less flaws but still like them both and like one more than the other.

Wow, you basically sat there and bashed Android throughout your rant, basically saying that no one in their right mind should be using it unless they are planing to root it. And yet you also deal with WP and iOS, yet you mention nary a problem with them. So apparently any guys who offer support for WP and iOS are like the Maytag repairman. If Android was as horrible as you make it out to be, how would they even still be around let alone have a higher total market share. Maybe they did that after the notification shade showed up in iOS, and they realized there wasn't anything they could do about it since all of their stuff at the time was open source.

Really i said dont use it? hmmm your reading skills are off the charts, you should be a reading pro for the president and national affairs! No i didnt say that by any means. I could write tons more, but its obvious your reading skills would twist it into some 'basically' statement and not grasp reality. Also being in the right spot at the right time is everything.

I'm saying compared to all the negative things you've said about Android, there is hardly ever a mention about any issues with WP. How many times have you spoke negatively about Android? And how many about WP? If someone were to go by your comments, there isn't hardly a need for WP support, and Android can barely function. My reading skills are just fine, I'm talking about your comments as a whole, not just one solitary comment. And my point was if you truly have your customers best interests at heart, and you have a product that you seem to find so incapable of running in a reliable fashion, why would you even consider recommending it to them? I'm not talking about preferences. With as many issues as you say you encounter everyday with Android, how could you recommend something that as you say has so many issues? I'd like to see what those who you have recommended Android to would say if they read what you post here. I know if someone recommended something to me and I later overheard them saying how horrible it was, I'd be ticked.

And where did I say that you weren't using it? When I said no one in their right mind should be using it, I wasn't talking about you but about the people you may recommend it to. You have it for work, not as your daily driver as you've already pointed out. There's a difference between reading skills and comprehension, maybe you should focus on that before you bash others.

Your definition of evil is a little screwy.

His definition of evil is very screwy. He slams Google but champions Microsoft?? Screwy indeed.

Google tossed that aside years ago. "Do no evil" is a fairy tale they tell gullible neckbeards. I wish the CM team the best of luck, same with the Sailfish and Firefox teams. And for those still clinging to the "Google, Champion of 'Open' and All-Around Good Company," I leave you this:http://sealedabstract.com/rants/google-our-patron-saint-of-the-closed-web/

Wait, so Google wants it's own domains for development, that's evil and closed? That's stretching, even for a fanboy line yourself.