Current Android devices won't be able to get seamless Android N updates

Current Android devices won't be able to get seamless Android N updates
One of the most intriguing new features of Android N is in seamless updates, but there are a lot of questions surrounding exactly what that means for users. We've been asking around and no one can say if it will make updates faster or if we'll still have to wait through manufacturer customization and carrier testing, and then the "seamless" part comes in once the update is finally pushed out.

But, we are getting some info on seamless updates, and the early news is not that great. According to Android Police, Google said current Nexus devices will not support seamless updates, and the reasoning given makes it sound like no current Android device will be able to handle the feature. Google said seamless updates require dual system partitions, and the act of creating those two partitions is apparently something that can't really be done by an end user, at least not without the potential for bricking your device. 

Google apparently made it sound like creating the dual partitions would theoretically be possible with the help of a computer, but the likelihood of bricking the phone is too high to give users the option officially. Of course, that means we'll more than likely see some trickery from the XDA world, if you're the adventurous type. 

So, seamless updates will probably never come to any current Android phones, but once devices start launching with Android N, you'll be good to go. 

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71 Comments

1. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Dang. If even current Nexuses can utilize the dual partitions, will android N porting be a possibility?

36. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Its because regular customers won't now how to do make dual partitions People on XDA will figure it out for geeks that are interested Porting Android N will still be the same as porting Marshmallow or Lollipop

45. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Even with xda Methods there is a huge chance of bricking asked the average user can't deal with that. In that case they'll just get Android N without dual partition and no seamless updates

48. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I've flash tons of stuff from xda, never bricked anything The chance is basically none, especially if you are following a guide If the user knows about this seamless updates feature and about xda, they'd probably be able to follow a simple guide

55. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

We just flashed roms till now or formatted partition. Repartitioning is completely different beast. So yes,chances of bricking are higher here than flashing new rom.

56. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Don't we already use repartitioning for things like multi ROM? Repartitioning is so easy and safe on Windows, I don't see why it'd be so dangerous on Android

58. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

No actually, we don't do repartitioning for multi ROM. Yes it is not a big deal on computers, not sure why it is on phones.

68. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I still don't reckon it will be dangerous on phones We have nothing to suggest it will be dangerous

57. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Yea....I do believe this is already possible thru rooting. IIRC The Galaxy S1 has made better by doing something similar. Not dual partitions but changing a partition from one file type to another. Those that did root had a great phone. Those that didnt....the GS1 suffered in performance to the Droid X. Even tho on paper the GS1 was better. One lil thing like the file system used messed everything up. Samsung learned from that tho and havent done it since. Having it easy enough for the average user? The average user would have to be interested and not afraid to root first.

69. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Yep, that's why Google isn't even trying Most won't even know about this feature, not to mention want it Personally, I won't even try get this feature, since its already easy to flash an OTA, no need to wait for the roadout Those that are interested can just follow a guide on xda

2. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

"Google said seamless updates require dual system partitions" Can't that be created by a fresh OS restore from a Windows PC? Samsung could offer that via their Kies desktop application...

34. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Good luck getting regular customers to do that People on XDA will figure it out for geeks that are interested

37. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

True, many don't even know how to use a popular program like iTunes, even less likely they'd have any idea how to use Kies that they've probably never heard of. Regardless, making it an option would only show they care and have done their due diligence.

44. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

The problem is Google don't have their own iTunes/Kies It would be nice if Google did make their own iTunes/Kies Especially for easier backuping and restoring, the only thing I miss from iTunes

46. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

No thanks, both iTunes and kies (now smart switch) suck. The current app by app back up system is probably best in my opinion and they should just refine that.

47. vincelongman

Posts: 5755; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Agreed, iTunes sucks (haven't used Samsung's) I mean if Google made a good alternative

63. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

I agree relying heavily on iTunes sucks a$$, but they should be able to provide a simple PC utility for this situation. Perhaps integrate it in the update package, and during the update process, tell the user to plug their device into a Windows PC and run the utility, which backs up user content temporarily on the PC, formats everything and creates the partitions, and finally restores it all.

71. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

If you know how to use them, they are easy to use. Being in tech we have to use these everyday. Rarely do we run into problems. I would say 9/10 times they work without issue, if not higher ratio.

3. 444777

Posts: 399; Member since: May 02, 2016

Who cares? Only geeks and techies care. I'm still using Jellybean Rom and kk4.4.4 omma my brothers Z2 . Big deal. I can still browse, make calls, and etc....... 32bit to 64bit I don't and feel no different. On 64bit the app opening size file is 20mb, while on 32bit it's 12mb. The Z2 is rooted. The kernel and Rom allows me to alter cache L2 and file opening size, which I took it to 30mb. So no it doesn't bother me.

19. Mercedes-Benz

Posts: 403; Member since: Jan 18, 2015

Why would you run kitkat on the Xperia Z2 when marshmallow is out

38. Wiencon

Posts: 2278; Member since: Aug 06, 2014

KK is much better than anything after it

42. Flame_Hunter

Posts: 28; Member since: Apr 12, 2016

For some reason yes.

43. 444777

Posts: 399; Member since: May 02, 2016

Well agreed.

4. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

doesnt really matter, most of current android devices wont even get N afterall.. and most people didnt care about fast update for their phone (relatively from official update by google).. and I people really need that feature, new mid-ranger is as great as last year flagship.. and for people who didnt have money to do that but they think they really need the feature, XDA may have the answer

5. JDeus01

Posts: 48; Member since: May 07, 2013

oh look, yet another thing most androids won't ever get

7. submar

Posts: 713; Member since: Sep 19, 2014

Most Android devices won't ever get bricked.

13. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Most Android devices won't ever get past marshmallow.

14. submar

Posts: 713; Member since: Sep 19, 2014

Most Android devices won't ever get past marshmallow then brick.

15. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

But most of those will still do more than an iPhone 3+ years from now.

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