Apple told rivals to back off multitouch back in January

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Apple told rivals to back off multitouch back in January
The buzz around the water cooler is that Apple's suit against HTC has really shaken up the cellphone industry. Talk is that some manufacturers are so distraught and worried about using Android that they are considering switching to Windows Phones 7 when it is released. Oppenheimer analyst Yair Reiner wrote in a note to clients that based on his industry checks, "Starting in January, Apple launched a series of C-Level discussions with tier-1 handset makers to underscore its growing displeasure at seeing its iPhone related IP (intellectual property) infringed." The Cupertino crew felt that no one was taking them seriously and decided that legal action would wake everyone up.

Back in 2009, Apple COO Tim Cook told analysts in a conference call that Apple would not put up with having its patents infringed upon. At the time, the thought was that Apple was trying to keep multitouch off the just revealed Palm Pre which was considered a real threat to the iPhone back then (seems funny now). While many handset makers have kept multitouch off their phones, a 358 page patent covering most of the iPhone's UI, including multitouch and the use of gestures, is Apple's main ammunition and is the power that the company now holds to have the other handset makers cowering in the corner.

sources: Geek



1. warhed

Posts: 56; Member since: Mar 07, 2010

apple is poison to the industry. who benefits when a lot of good phones offer touch/multitouch screens? WE DO! the consumers. apple needs to change things up with their phone. just because the industry is now keeping up/ passing apple the only thing they can do is sue! thats BS!

3. herbiederb

Posts: 275; Member since: Jan 28, 2010

And then the sue the small handset maker. Its MS and Google that write the software. Cant wait to see those 2 giants go against Apple.

5. htc_prep

Posts: 303; Member since: Oct 09, 2009

ill have my pop corn popped and my front row seat fandangoed for that. all apple is good for is brainwashing and bullying... they remind me of the force behind big brother in the book "1984" (i know it should be underlined)

8. newfreedom

Posts: 2; Member since: Mar 09, 2010

Apple is misusing US patent system to stifle competition. US patent system is broken and needs to be modified to redefine what should really constitute patentable inventions. US court system is not about dispensing justice. Unless God gives me the ultimate power of a tyrant for the next 30 years to fix these things, I would love to start three independent people's class-action suits against Apple, USPTO and US court system for their share of misconducts against our society.

21. DonkeyPunched

Posts: 321; Member since: Jan 10, 2010

Well, even though it may seem unfair in certain angles, place Apple in your hands. What if you were running Apple right now and you have companies in the competition surrounding and possibly about to outrun you? Apple is pretty damn smart to patent multitouch (and remember, it isn't just the iPhone that has multitouch in Apple's products). As you said, people want to use multitouch because it is a very cool that is obviously something that Apple can have exclusively to its products. Think about this logically, not personally.

26. sleepyjohnny

Posts: 151; Member since: Dec 16, 2009

instead of pattenting something so simple, they should innovate technologies that will blow competetion away and patent those. apple is actually being dumb lazy, and quite frankly being a little baby about it.

2. athiel021

Posts: 33; Member since: Aug 10, 2009

Guess I'll be trying to get an Android phone ASAP just in case this goes through. One decision this debacle has cemented though? I'm never buying an Apple product.

4. Phullofphil

Posts: 1831; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

i think multitouch should not be able to be patent. Its to broad of an idea. What about other makers with multi such as the zune. Motorola and so on. I think it would be like making the idea of puting ink on a peic of paper through the help of a machine patented

7. biggles

Posts: 269; Member since: Oct 15, 2009

The problem is that the US patent office is a joke. They're overloaded and they'd grant you a patent on wiping your a$$ if you submitted it.

12. warhed

Posts: 56; Member since: Mar 07, 2010

@biggles, watch out you might get sue by apple. i think they already have a patent on wiping your a$$! lol

6. biggles

Posts: 269; Member since: Oct 15, 2009

Seriously, how are Apple products not virus-laden and targeted by hackers and such? I mean, forget Microsoft and Gates. Jobs embodies evil and greed, and should be in any rogue programmer's cross-hairs. Kinda makes you wonder if Apple doesn't spend all that excess money they charge for their products on covert operations against other operating systems to make themselves look better.

9. DrewVL

Posts: 15; Member since: Jan 13, 2010

I thought Apple is not the one who invented Multitouch?

11. sinfulta

Posts: 279; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

They weren't. I posted awhile back on the company that actually started touch screen and mulitouch. I can't remember what they're names were now. I am sure you can wiki multitouch and you'll see the answers there. Apple was not the inventor of Multi-touch.

18. o7o

Posts: 114; Member since: Jun 26, 2009

Researchers from Toronto University were the first to use Multi-touch at 1982, and they also were the first to use it with capacitive touch screens at 1985. And the gestures they use now were made by someone called Jeff Han at 2006. So Apple has no right to sue others on multi-touch!!

10. nokia_fan_172

Posts: 11; Member since: Mar 09, 2010

apple has a problem with other companies using multi-touch, but how much of nokia's patents are they infringing on?? is that not a problem?

13. ILOVEtechnology unregistered

I hope Apple wins. They invented the great iphone and people are trying to copy it! Hope the billions come to APPLE!

20. ekie84

Posts: 13; Member since: Mar 02, 2010

Apple Inc. lists "Multi-Touch" on their page of trademarks,[10] however, this was only added some time after October 2007,[11] and Apple's page does not claim that any government recognises their trademark.

22. DonkeyPunched

Posts: 321; Member since: Jan 10, 2010

Do you think maybe they are referring to the ways multitouch is used? I mean, I know some phones have multitouch, right? Of course, I mean besides HTC phones...I haven't heard of any other lawsuits on this. Maybe HTC is going far? This post isn't enough to inform us on the exact details. I'm sure Apple must have good reason in suing them.

14. tuminatr

Posts: 1168; Member since: Feb 23, 2009

this is not the first time Apple has done this, Google it, remember the lawsuit when Microsoft released windows 3.0 Apple sued them claiming they invented the GUI. Microsoft won because apple itself copied the idea. These types of lawsuits are silly oh and don't forget that when the Iphone was released they did not get permission from cisco systems that held the trademark "iphone" apple did not care they released it anyway I don't know how apple gets away with it, they are just as bad if not worse than the others. But somehow their s*&t don't stink

23. DonkeyPunched

Posts: 321; Member since: Jan 10, 2010

I hope you remember that Cisco pulled up a lawsuit against Apple and they pretty much dropped it because Apple said it was silly, which it was. Who was using Cisco's internet phone "iphone"? No one. It was definitely a silly lawsuit and they gave it up, obviously cuz when you type now, it isn't Cisco's site anymore.

27. sleepyjohnny

Posts: 151; Member since: Dec 16, 2009

still whether or not it was used, the name belonged to cisco. apple had no right

15. arqjav

Posts: 55; Member since: Dec 29, 2009

I was wondering when a guy that owned an Iphone would appear Iphone is not such a great device there others a lot greater that the iphone ,HTC ;Nokia, Samsung they all have better devices they even has more earnings than apple's has,check the poles and you'll see in the real market where apple is against the other companies, besides apple brain washed everybody with is cool ideal of what the people and the world should be the "apple" way that's BS.

17. ILOVEtechnology unregistered

shut the fuck up, your an idiot!! THE iphone is the best phone on the market. Why so many touchscreens?multitouch?ipod/phone? all copied from those copies and hopefully all of these companies will learn

24. DonkeyPunched

Posts: 321; Member since: Jan 10, 2010

Anyway...besides the last remember that the last iPhone released was almost a year ago. Of course these other companies are prospering right now, but just wait for May/June to come up. You don't think that Apple will get further in their earnings? Even now, I don't think Android is too popular amongst everyone. You say iPhone and everyone knows what it is. My friend has an Android phone and didn't even know the operating system is called Android. iPhones may be behind now, but I'm positive they have a boost coming mid-year.

25. phynix

Posts: 12; Member since: Jan 29, 2010

normally i don't get on here much to comment, i just read the articles and enjoy the people argue over this stuff (which is very entertaining). but you are one sad person. a ninny so speak. you come on here with this apple high horse (ihorse i guess) and want to act like they are the best thing since sliced bread. you need to read up a little more and see that it has been posted on here that multitouch was not created by apple but actually stolen by them. if you ask me the real creators of it should step in and have a say. and this "iphone is the best phone on the market" crap, iphone was at&t were chitting bricks when the 9droid came out and still are. with an android phone that comes out and with every update it makes apple sweat. why do you think the backflip with at&t does not have a google search on it? apple.... i work for the company so trust little boy, i know. also, the main reason why most of these people keep the iphone is because they think its cool just like the damn ipod. only because the next person has it. not really because its the best phone. sheep is what they are. all flocking to jobs because he is the anti christ of the mobile industry. android is the savior. they are here to show that its not really whats cool but rather good. this not not a fanboy comment but rather just a view from what i've gathered since android came out. and now lets get on your lack of use with the english language. it is you're an idiot not your an idiot. so jsut like apple, you suck. you're an idiot. and a fag

16. matt1q2aw3 unregistered

Apple did not invent multi-touch. Thus they are set to loose!!!! Eat it Jobs!! B/C of this lawsuit, I will not suggest my wife get an iphone. WM7, Android, or BBerry will be it...... You can read about multi touch here "A breakthrough occurred in 1991, when Pierre Wellner published a paper on his multi-touch “Digital Desk”, which supported multi-finger and pinching motions." Steve Jobs must be sauced...... Pun intended!

19. ilia1986 unregistered

I don't see any problem there, actually - I doubt that any of you would not to the same if you were in apple's shoes. The only possible reason I cn think of people hating apple is that their phones don't have a lot of customization options in them - and the fact that they are still running on 480X320 (although the iphone screen looks far far better than a lot of all of the crap smartphones there which have higher resolutions (Nokia 5800, for example). The former might be irritating - but is likely to change at some point. The latter WILL change at some point. Perhaps even with the next Iphone. Currently there are only several phones capable of rivaling the iphone in terms of overall experience (Hardware and apps) - and all of them are based on the Android platform. And thats in 2010. Companies had 2+ years to counter the iphone ever since July 2007 - only HTC (with android) and Motorola (again with android) have done so. All the other phones are crappy - they either don't have multi-touch, or a good enough ap store (good enough means Androind market and Apple appstore obviously) or good enough hardware.

28. sleepyjohnny

Posts: 151; Member since: Dec 16, 2009

thats not all true. companies are rivaling with today's iphone, and not the iphone of the past. iphone of the past is a joke. really they're competing with the iphone that just came out and they were ahead of apple in terms of innovation, so apple is whining and doing what it can to make up for its loss

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