Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge
posted by Alan F. / Sep 14, 2012, 4:03 PM
Last month, a jury in a U.S. District Court found that Samsung had infringed on a number of Apple's patents and awarded the company $1.05 billion in damages, a figure that Judge Koh could triple at a hearing set for December 6th. In the meantime, Samsung's cross-complaint against Apple went for naught as the jury found that Apple did not infringe on Samsung's patents.
The ITC case decided on Friday was originally filed by Samsung back in the middle of 2011. Now that the judge has made his ruling, it isa up to the full commission to either uphold or overturn the judge's decision which will take place at a hearing in January. For those legal eagles out there, the Samsung-Apple case is 337-794 at the ITC.
even the judges are blind...... :(
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:07 PM 26
Every judge is blind/corrupt/etc and only fanboys know the truth! Or maybe it's that Samsung copied the iPhone, and when Apple sued they retaliated by suing over patents they knew Apple didn't infringe. Enjoy your denial. It must be fun raging against reality.
posted on Sep 15, 2012, 5:33 PM 2
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Let's hope the Lte patents will end this nonsense
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:11 PM 40
Exactly. Samsung need to be stopped from abusing standards essential patents. Hopefully the LTE patent fiasco they are promising to embark on will be the straw that breaks the camels back and that regulatory bodies will come down hard on them for anti-competitive practices.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:22 PM 10
Huh? Samsung is the company who are weilding standards essential patents in an attempt to block competition! That's an incredibly dangerous and anti-competitive move as it would effectively give Samsung the ability to block ALL competition from the market. If you give Samsung the green light to block Apple from using LTE you also give Samsung the green light to block everyone else from using LTE, thus eliminating all competition. Luckily, we have anti-competitive legislation in place to prevent exactly this sort of nonsense. Samsung need to be stopped now before it goes too far.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:29 PM 6
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posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:31 PM 10
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mate you must be on something or so far up apple's ass your too blind to see reality Apple are the only ones been anti competitive and all because they know they cant compete with the latest phones. apple are a patent hoarder, patenting anything they can most of which ain't there's again i hope apple get ripped to pieces and Samsung and HTC come out on top. give apple a taste of there own medicine
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:33 PM 21
I think you may want to think about this again. Is it preferable to have products banned and removed from sale due to: a) violating patents and designs that can be worked around or b) violating patents and designs that can't be worked around because they are the industry standard. Allow Samsung to block manufacturers from releasing LTE devices and you have a situation where Samsung controls the entire LTE market. This is incredibly anti-competitive, although I seriously doubt we'd ever get to a situation like that since we have measures in place to stop Samsung from doing just that. But Samsung do appear to be trying their best to do just that. And for some bizarre reason you are cheering them on :/
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:43 PM 8
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@mrochester im sorry but i could start talking about unicorns that fly and it would make more sense then your crap maybe you shouldnt be allowed on a computer unsupervised Samsung+HTC use LTE slap and slap apple back to earth with all the mortals,
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 4:48 PM 15
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And Apple's anti-competitive behavior is okay? How is what Apple has done over the past two years any better than what Samsung is trying to do? They are simply fighting fire with fire; if Apple wants it all to boil down to nothing but litigation, Samsung can play that game, too. Personally, I don't see the effect of these patent wars; no matter who sues for what, I think there will continue to be a good selection of popular products for consumers to choose from that will once again amaze and excite them: the Galaxy SIII and the iPhone 5 are good examples. I don't care for the iPhone, but there is no denying its overall impact, no matter how it got to this point.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 10:35 PM 2
I don't think Apple have behaved in an anti-competitive way. Sueing a company and having it's products blocked and banned over designs and ideas they could work around or pay to license isn't anti-competitive. Sueing a company and having it's products blocked and banned over designs and ideas that can't be worked around and can only be licensed is anti-competitive.
posted on Sep 15, 2012, 2:42 AM 2
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I'm sorry but it's the Apple that started the war... If things such as 'swipe-to-unlock' or 'rounded corners' are to be said to be innovative and protected in favor of Apple ; REAL innovative things SHALL be protected as well in favor of patent holder (in that case SAMSUNG). I do not see Samsung threatening to sue other companies = they do coexist on a similar technological level and do understand that coexistence not being bully is a key. Samsung is only replying to a bully Cupertino competitor that looks like apart of great marketing skills to convince people to their product is missing a lot.
posted on Sep 15, 2012, 4:35 AM 3
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Dont even try to go reasonable here. the hate for apple runs deeper tha the Pacific and Atlantic combined. I am not the biggest or even slightly big iPhone fan but I see what you are saying. You have already been dubbed a troll you are climbing Kilamangaro with no equipment.
posted on Sep 15, 2012, 10:09 AM 1
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Haha - you got it right, mate. Samsung's patents are as crappy as Apple's rounded rectangle patent. Those won't hold in any court. 3G/LTE core patents are owned by Qualcomm, Ericsson and Nokia because they make network equipments that are the real deals. Fanboys will tell you Samsung has this many LTE/3G patents. But those are just crappy because Samsung onlly makes phones which are mere clients of comm. network. Those are protocol related which they aren't supposed to patent in the first place. Same thing happened to the crappy 3G patent they were trying to push against Apple. They simply proposed a change to 3G protocol without telling anyone that they've already filed for a patent. This is utter dishonesty and no court will acknowledge this kind of patents.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 5:00 PM 4
I think the vast majority of what Samsung were sued for could either be worked around by innovating or used in their devices if they paid Apple a license fee. Contrary to that, Apple have no choice but to pay to license LTE based patents; it's not like Apple could work around Samsung's LTE patents, because then it'd no longer be LTE! This is why Samsung has to be made to allow Apple to license this technology as opposed to preventing them from using it. If Samsung were able to prevent Apple from using LTE, they'd also be able to prevent Motorola, HTC, Nokia, etc etc. But luckily this can't happen, especially in the EU where a very dim view (and usually massive fines) are imposed on companies that attempt this nonsense.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 5:12 PM 8
Motorola, HTC, etc etc, are all Samsung's competitors. If you set the precedent that Samsung can ban one of it's competitors from using standards essetial patents, what on earth makes you think they wouldn't go after everyone else too? I think you're living in a very idealistic world if you think Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Motorola etc are all the very best of friends who aren't fighting tooth and nail against one another.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 5:33 PM 6
That's not really a coherant response to what I posted. Will Apple get what they deserve? I'm sure there's probably something out there that Apple have infringed upon that'll cost them big bucks. Will Samsung get what they deserve? Well, they sort of already have with the $1billion fine levied against them, but they are also under invetigation for abusing FRAND patents too, so there's probably more to come.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 5:55 PM 2
not coherant to what you believe of course because what you wanna see happen is that greedy company rule the world and God forbid if apple losses a case to samsung right? you think that everyone has to be like apple if they wanna be on top well thats where you are wrong dude when apple gets what they deserve it will be a glorious day not a day for another dictator to rise and be like the very comapany that is makin all the decisions for you! but a day for true competitors and true comapanys to compete not RULE!
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 6:01 PM 2
These are the rantings of a crazed lunatic! If Apple has done something wrong, they should be fairly and justly punished for it, much like if Apple hasn't done something wrong, they should be vindicated. The exact same sentiment is true for Samsung, and every other company. The 'glorious day' you are talking about are the days when law breakers are found guilty and punished for their misdemeanors.
posted on Sep 14, 2012, 6:15 PM 2
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