Apple looking to replace Intel chips, still planning to make a car, according to insider

Apple looking to replace Intel chips, still planning to make a car, according to insider
Apple’s size and importance mean that every move the company makes ripples through the tech industry and affects tens if not hundreds of other companies. That’s why there are people that closely follow what Apple is doing and what that means for its future. One of them is Ming-Chi Kuo, a name you’ve probably heard before, if you’re closely following mobile news. Kuo has often given accurate information about Apple products months before their release.

The most recent insights he shared aren’t as exciting as leaks about upcoming iPhone models, but they’re interesting nonetheless. Kuo talks about some of the broader strategies Apple is looking to execute. The California-based company is planning to strengthen its cooperation with TSMC, the chip manufacturer that’s making the A12 bionic chip for the 2018 iPhone models, and continue trusting it with the manufacturing of its A13 and A14 chips, which will most likely power iPhones in 2019 and 2020.

What’s curious is that according to Kuo’s report, while Apple is closely working with Intel for the modems in its latest phones, it’s also looking to move away from Intel chips in its Mac computers. The insider thinks that the new family of Apple designed chips will be ready to make an appearance as soon as 2020-2021. They’ll be manufactured by TSMC as well, making the Taiwanese foundry one of Apple's most important suppliers.

TSMC is expected to get another, even more important order from Apple: the chips for its upcoming car. Yes, Kuo’s information is that an Apple car is coming, but is still at least 5 years away from mass production. The vehicle, as previously rumored, will support very high levels of automation (self-driving). In order to achieve that, the Apple car will need chips manufactured using either a 3 or a 5 nm process. Quick reminder: 7 nm processors debuted this year. Semiconductor manufacturers are facing extreme challenges when down-scaling production lines and delays aren’t out of the question, when it comes to making these next-generation chips.

We doubt that we'll hear any confirmation from Apple in the next couple of years, but if those projects are really moving, we’ll get plenty of reliable information from other sources, keeping us up to speed with what’s happening behind the scenes.



1. Phonehex

Posts: 768; Member since: Feb 16, 2016

Actually excited to see what innovations they bring to the automobile industry.

2. drunkenjay

Posts: 1701; Member since: Feb 11, 2013

the tech is great such as seamlessly using siri on the phone to opening windows etc. im not sure about the design of the car though.

10. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

Siri is the least capable voice assistant. Also it looks like Apple is trying to lead more of its sheeple to buy iPads. Yet Apples IPhones still can't do real multitasking or split screen multitasking, or have pen support. But then again Apple is all about controlling every aspect of their hardware and software. I can see Apple putting on final cut pro as well as a number of other programs on iOS. Then I can see the MacBook either disappear all together. Or evolve into a 2 in 1 tablet. Apple is the only company that purposely and artificially separates its hardware and software. For instance the MacBooks are the only laptops that still do not have a touch screen display. Apple comes up with a stupid touch bar instead.

14. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

The next step for mobile SoCs is to include all the ram on board. This will also lower overall power consumption. Especially when some ram chips operate at 0.6 volts like LPDDR4X. They need to drop the overall power consumption of SoCs as well to 0.6 volts or less. As it stands today they operate at 1.1 - 1.5 volts.

3. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

Or I am going to say is if anyone buy a Mac with a none intel or amd chip in it hahahahahahhahahhah, the Apple cpu will be a load of crap

4. Phullofphil

Posts: 1830; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

There is no reason to think that they would suck. I would imagine they will me really good. I would think that apple has learned a lot with the a series chips. Atliest as good as intels chips in speed and workload. Probably going to be better battery life on the laptop. Or they would not use them until they do. Or it’s for a cheaper versions of the macs

5. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1473; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

You have no idea how the A Series would hold up when they run something other than iOS. My guess is not so good, otherwise Apple would've employed them already.

6. toukale

Posts: 668; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

@Back_from_beyond - The A series will probably suck at running x86 codes. But that is changing and by the time 2020/21 rolls around, most stuff will be converted to running ARM based codes. Microsoft already took the jump with Windows on ARMs, Apple currently have a preview version that bridges OSX and iOS software. I am sure by 2021, it will be in full swing. So, I am thinking Apples' A series will most likely not be running/emulating x86 codes under most circumstances when it launches. For that reason, I do not think it will be an issue for the average users. I am sure the geeks will have plenty to complain about as usual since there will be obscure apps that will not work well on ARMs chips because the developers will not bother with updating them.

11. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

If Apple's Ax chips were really that fast and efficient, then the iPhones would have real multitasking and split screen multitasking by now. Plus they would have higher resolutions. And Apple would have support or at least have a VR/AR headset by now. But Apple is more smoke and mirrors these days. Apple is more about subjugating it's customers.

7. WilliamH

Posts: 17; Member since: Dec 24, 2012

Can someone smarter than me explain why they need 3/5nm chips to do high levels of automation? What’s wrong with using a large 7nm chip? Power consumption wouldn’t be a problem in a vehicle?

8. BullaBoss

Posts: 141; Member since: Jul 17, 2018

Pack more features in a smaller space to maximize performance gains . Also cutting edge tech. Cars stick around for years!

12. Atechguy0

Posts: 918; Member since: Aug 03, 2018

Everytime you lower the size (nm), then not only can you pack more in their, but you can also do more computing, without using up a lot of battery. Cars right now not only have 1 camera, but many cameras that all have to be continuously checked. Some cars have 8 cameras or more, as well as other sensors that HAVE to be checked at a fraction of a second. This happens non stop. That's a lot of processing needed. Especially if you want the car to drive safely by itself.

9. Phonehex

Posts: 768; Member since: Feb 16, 2016

Even I was wondering about that because that(7 nm , 5nm , 3nm ) won't really make any significant difference in an electric car.

13. WilliamH

Posts: 17; Member since: Dec 24, 2012

Yeah, I’m still a little confused. I understand with phone on battery power, but the power consumption on a like 16 core 7nm chip would be negligible I feel

15. syntaxlord

Posts: 239; Member since: Oct 01, 2018

If Apple makes a car, will it have windows or an audio jack?

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