Apple claims Samsung knew its Galaxy line took its design cues from Apple and was warned by Google

posted by Alan F. / Jul 25, 2012, 7:08 PM

Apple claims Samsung knew its Galaxy line took its design cues from Apple and was warned by Google

"(The Samsung Galaxy S)...looked like it copied the iPhone too much;" "The Galaxy S “[c]losely resembles the iPhone shape so as to have no distinguishable elements;" "[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone."-Comments from designers to Samsung evaluating the Samsung Galaxy S

With the Apple v. Samsung patent district court battle starting next Monday, an unredacted copy of Apple's trial brief shows that the latter plans on showing that Samsung knew that the design of its Galaxy devices copied those of the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad and was even the subject of an internal discussion inside the Korean based manufacturer.

Apple claims that it will show that Samsung's own documents not only show that the company deliberately copied Apple's designs, but that various third parties including Google warned Samsung not to copy the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad. One of the points that Apple is expected to bring out at trial is a warning from Google to Samsung that it's P1 and P3 tablets (Samsung GALAXY Tab and Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 respectively) were "too similar" to the Apple iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."

Last year, Samsung's Product Design Group said that it is "regrettable" that the Samsung Galaxy S "looks similar" to older models of the Apple iPhone. Also, during an evaluation sponsored by Samsung, some famous designers said that the Samsung Galaxy S "looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that "innovation is needed." If there ever was a smoking gun, it might be this comment from a designer, "[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone."

"Samsung’s documents show the similarity of Samsung’s products is no accident or, as Samsung would have it, a ‘natural evolution. Rather, it results from Samsung’s deliberate plan to free-ride on the iPhone’s and iPad’s extraordinary success by copying their iconic designs and intuitive user interface."-Apple's trial brief

Earlier Wednesday, we showed you some comments from Samsung about how Apple got the design for the Apple iPhone from a story about Sony in the public domain. Samsung said that Apple could not have sold one iPhone without stealing technology from Samsung. It's gonna be like the 13th round of the famous 1978 heavyweight bout between Ken Norton and Larry Holmes, two heavyweights seeking the title, both in the center of the ring letting punches fly, trying to inflict as much damage as they can without regard to their own protection.

source:AllThingsD

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106 Comments

1. Ohrules

Posts: 327; Member since: Jun 11, 2012

apple please come out out of your fantasy world and accept the reality that Samsung makes better devices than you!

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:13 PM 44

8. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

But damn if they can really prove that even Google warned them.... things might just be getting started. Lol google thinks Samsung copied wow. And did you read the comment Samsung's Product Design Group said? It's "regrettable" that the Galxaxy S "looks similar" to the iPhone. And also famous phone designers agree that their devices look too similar. It looks like Apple's fantasy world may in fact be very real.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:33 PM 17

16. MeoCao unregistered

Google's people's opinions are subjective and mean nothing in court. SS can disagree with those opinions and that's OK. One question is why Apple did not take any action when the Galaxy S looked indeed similar to old iPhone model (with very limited success) but now when Galaxy S3 is anything but similar to iPhone (but wildly successful)?

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:44 PM 23

46. cepcamba

Posts: 717; Member since: Feb 27, 2012

Apple is suing for damages caused by lost sales due to the initial build-up of success of the GS1 which was according to them copied the OG iPhone's design.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:10 PM 6

50. DownHer

Posts: 8; Member since: May 21, 2012

It's because it's an iPhone.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:50 PM 3

48. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

Google and Samsung are teammates in this whole Samsung vs Apple vs Google dispute. If Google as a company went out of their way to warn Samsung, along with other well know cell phone designers, then yea this will have weight in court and Apple will use it. How will it sound to say that Google not only agrees that Samsungs devices copy Apple's design, but they also warned Samsung against their designs, possibly foreseeing this whole legal dispute? Kinda bad I was under the impression that the original Galaxy S line was included, but I could be wrong. Anyway, the Galaxy Nexus isn't selling like hot cakes and yet the device is included.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:39 PM 6

52. MeoCao unregistered

I don't think Google's opinion proves anything to the judge, the judge will rely on FACTS but not some 3rd party's opinion. But Google's opinion will be huge to discredit Samsung - and this is the real motive of Apple's lawsuits imho.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 11:12 PM 2

103. kyp5035

Posts: 16; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

they did then too, they are bringing it back...!!! AGAIN

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 10:46 PM 0

13. The_Godfather

Posts: 196; Member since: Apr 26, 2012

Best comment ever on Phonearena...well done mate that was 100000000000000000001% true :) love Samsung f**k Apple

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:38 PM 13

49. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

Dude calm down, there's like 5 of these comments in every article.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:47 PM 4

104. kyp5035

Posts: 16; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

hahahaha

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 10:47 PM 1

32. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

Does anyone else want a major manufacturer to come out with a 4" 16:9 phone just to spite apple? Doesn't even have to be good, just enough that the alleged designs are "copying"

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 9:06 PM 4

47. cepcamba

Posts: 717; Member since: Feb 27, 2012

We should convince apl.de.ap to start his own smartphone manufacturing business just to piss Apple off. His appstore would be named Apl Appstore and apple could never ever sue him because that is his celebrity name! lol :p

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:17 PM 3

40. Mxyzptlk unregistered

That's a pretty blind statement to make.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 9:38 PM 5

45. The_Godfather

Posts: 196; Member since: Apr 26, 2012

I have got thumbs down because I appreciated the fact. Another fact is the sales of iPhone 5 would be drastically low. If you guys don't agree wait and watch when they release. Reason would be that same s**tty design over dead icon based iOS which has got 200 invisible features again lolzzzz

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 10:09 PM 7

53. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I returned the favor.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 11:29 PM 1

87. dcgore

Posts: 234; Member since: Feb 24, 2012

Hahaha, laughable! Samsung makes better phones?? Android vs iOS/Apple is a different conversation but Samsung making better phones than Apple...no way!!

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 11:57 AM 2

2. KParks23

Posts: 722; Member since: Oct 13, 2010

LOL really??? its a phone how different can a black phone look?? apple steels all there ideas and so do many other companys how are we supposed to improve on things if u dont?now im against a total copy but using some ideas to improve a experience should be ok! apple needs to STFU the courts need to put a limit on the amount of complaints they can file.. and if u cant tell the difference between a galaxy s and a iphone ur a moron!!

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:20 PM 14

9. nofear

Posts: 151; Member since: Jun 22, 2012

Remember! Mr. Job is wishing for thermonuclear with Samsung. Did you remember that? A moronic idea that Apple adapted is not innovation because Apple knew, it could not come up with any. Just think next iPhone5 is a 4" screen, no 5" nor SD.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 7:34 PM 7

21. Jay_F

Posts: 236; Member since: Nov 29, 2011

Lol Jobs didn't care about Samsung, he wanted to destroy Andoid. Get your facts straight.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 8:09 PM 10

65. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

4" screen and ad card isn't innovation

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 2:19 AM 6

81. MeoCao unregistered

But rounded rectangle is?

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 4:09 AM 4

97. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

I agree apple needs to increase the screen size, but sd isn't necessary when u have 64 gigs and cloud storage. Even some android makers r getting away from sd. No current androids have 64 gigs, samsungs 64 gig gs3 isnt even being made yet, and there's talk that it won't be at all. Sd is cool but y do u not comment on apple at least giving gobs of internal flash storage. They were the first with 4, 8 ,16, 32, and 64 gigs of external storage. That is innovative.

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 3:44 PM 0

99. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Oops internal

posted on Jul 26, 2012, 3:48 PM 0

42. Doakie

Posts: 2478; Member since: May 06, 2009

What really gets me is how the iPhone 4 stole its design from the 2007 LG Prada. Then Apple patents the styling and sues Samsung... Okay I'm ready for my ban, this will be the third warning this week and therefore a ban. I got my last warning for a simple statement that "I hate Apple." They said I was trolling. I can't believe that a simple statement about a company I dislike got me a warning... I guess I don't really have "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website.

posted on Jul 25, 2012, 9:57 PM 8

98. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

U have freedom of speech they have freedom of punishment. Just obey the rules bro, and you'll b cool. Learn to put stars, and symbols in place of letters and let folks figure out what it says for themselves.