Samsung says Apple stole some of its technology for the Apple iPhone

Samsung says Apple stole some of its technology for the Apple iPhone
Them thar's fightin' words! After a brief from Apple's camp revealed on Tuesday that the Cuppertino based firm wants $2.525 billion from Samsung to cover what the Korean based manufacturer "unjustly enriched" itself with by using Apple patents, Apple might have insulted Samsung by claiming that Sammy's patents are worth about a half-cent each, at most. Samsung's filing, partially released today by the Wall Street Journal, is a history of the mobile phone industry. Samsung tells Apple that it wouldn't have sold one Apple iPhone had it not stolen Samsung's technology.

Some interesting passages include Samsung's claim that Apple sold its first smartphone 20 years after Samsung first developed the technology that made the mobile phone possible. Samsung claims that some of the impetus for the Apple iPhone's design came from a story about Sony products that was in the public domain. In the story, the Sony designer discussed its products that fit in the hand, lacked buttons, were "square with a screen" and had rounded-out corners.

An interesting paragraph from the filing touches on Apple's penchant for commercializing other firms' technology. Samsung also pointed out that in 2006, well before the Apple iPhone was introduced, the Korean manufacturer had internal documents showing rectangular phones with rounded corners, front faces that were flat and graphic interfaces using grid layouts for icons. Samsung adds that in the Summer of 2006, again before the introduction of the Apple iPhone, Samsung started to design its next-gen handsets. Samsung engineers started to work around the concept of a round rectangular body with a large screen taking up much of the space, and one physical button. The point being made by Samsung is that it had already had this design in place before the iPhone was introduced. Samsung says it did not change its design after the introduction of the Apple iPhone.

In the filing, Samsung says that Apple relied "heavily" on Samsung technology to enter the mobile phone business and it still does today. Apple buys some parts for its smartphone from Samsung and the filing lists both the flash and main memory as well as the applications processor. And while there is nothing wrong with that, Samsung claims that some of its patented technology is being used by Apple without paying for it. After Apple released products that use the two Samsung patents at issue in the trial, Samsung says it offered Apple a cross-licensing deal similar to what most other major players in the industry agreed to. Unlike the others who had signed the deal with Samsung, Apple's position was that the Samsung patents were un-enforcable, which brings us to this patent battle in front of Judge Lucy Koh that will start at the end of this month.source: WSJ

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90 Comments

1. pokharkarsaga

Posts: 547; Member since: Feb 23, 2012

Wrestling of lawsuits,a curse for innovation........

40. thebest

Posts: 231; Member since: Jul 08, 2012

and a small hope for nokia...lolzzz

2. darkvadervip

Posts: 366; Member since: Dec 08, 2010

Now samsung wants to bring this up. I wish HTC would take Samsung to court over copying HTC SENSE with TOUCH WIZ.

6. schecter7

Posts: 99; Member since: Apr 20, 2012

Yep - Samsung totally ripped off 'Sense' and their fans says Touchwiz doesn't suck anymore (used to be a cheap knock off of iOS) and it's even better than Sense - LMAO. Those idiots make me laugh really hard.

48. taz89

Posts: 2014; Member since: May 03, 2011

lol did someone seriously say that tw is a ripoff of sense.lol made my day the 2 dont even look anything a like let alone an icon

44. pkiran1996

Posts: 166; Member since: Oct 22, 2011

You are either a HTC fanboy or extremely stupid and ignorant. If you think TouchWiz looks anything like Sense then you need your eyes examining.

75. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Along with his head.....

65. xcasasx

Posts: 24; Member since: Mar 03, 2012

Bro HTC and samsung are alies the eenemy here is apple

3. bloodline

Posts: 706; Member since: Dec 01, 2011

samsung has a point

4. xtian1103

Posts: 364; Member since: Feb 11, 2012

i never knew any samsung mobile technology existed back in 1991. what i remember is our samsung flat iron back then. if talking about mobile technology, motorola is well ahead that time with their microtac, only 8 years before nokia came in.

7. schecter7

Posts: 99; Member since: Apr 20, 2012

LMAO - yep. Motorola, Nokia, Ericsson did all the work. Samsung ripped off their work for years. I love the way how Samsung is trying to take some credit in an Apple like way.

9. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

Why ripped? Maybe they are paying patent charges?

13. schecter7

Posts: 99; Member since: Apr 20, 2012

read it over - "invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones." Samsung totally sounds like Apple. They are no different. They both are thieves and liars.

15. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

Have you read what I have wrote in comment #9 ?

22. superguy

Posts: 448; Member since: Jul 15, 2011

And you have proof of this where? Otherwise, stop trolling.

30. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

Why don't you read the article to find the 'proof'? He quoted straight from this article.

46. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

"He quoted straight from this article." And how this quotation proves that Samsung ripped Motorola's, Nokia's, Ericsson's work ???

52. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

I'll make it easy for you. Name one single thing that Samsung made first ( I guess that's what's called innovation)

54. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

It is not about who made it first! Maybe Samsung is paying patent charges? Have you thinked about that?

55. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

HAHAHA. Have you even read what Samsung said - "INVENTED much of the technology for today‘s smartphones" That's the funniest quote of this year.

57. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

"...invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones." "Have you even read what Samsung said" Yes, I have! And what is wrong with this quotation?

59. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

I'll ask it again since you keep dodging the point. Name one single thing that Samsung INVENTED as they are claiming

60. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

schecter7 says that: "Motorola, Nokia, Ericsson did all the work. Samsung ripped off their work for years." Also schecter7 has quoted: "...invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones." And you (dmn666) say that this quotation is 'proof': "Why don't you read the article to find the 'proof'? He quoted straight from this article." So, question for you (dmn666), HOW THIS QUOTATION PROVES THAT Samsung RIPPED Motorola's, Nokia's, Ericsson's WORK ???

88. calfonso1278

Posts: 5; Member since: Jul 25, 2012

24. p0rkguy

Posts: 685; Member since: Nov 23, 2010

Since their components are in so many smartphones... they sort of did? Did I miss something?

32. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

components? do you understand the diff. between a smartphone and a dumb phone? It's the OS itself (made by Google not Samsung). There are tons of components makers - there is not a single component that's made by one single company.

33. p0rkguy

Posts: 685; Member since: Nov 23, 2010

Do you even understand what I'm saying in the first place? I don't think you do.

34. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

I totally did - I said by making components you can't invent smartphones.

47. p0rkguy

Posts: 685; Member since: Nov 23, 2010

No you don't. The difference between a smart phone and a dumb phone is not the OS itself. It's whether or not it can do more than just simple features (call/text), which is commonly referred to as feature phones. There are tons of component manufacturers, yes, but the fact that components within Apple products using Samsung technology doesn't change, does it? Samsung is now part of the device when they made its components, no? Now if said components held patented technology which Apple does not have, isn't Apple patent infringing? Also, this doesn't mean Samsung components are limited to smartphones, they can be in feature phones as well.

51. dmn666

Posts: 244; Member since: Oct 19, 2011

which component in iphone is fully/solely made by Samsung? Processor? - wrong - it's designed by Apple itself just like Snapdragons/OMAPs are designed by QC & TI Memory? nope - supplied by multiple suppliers Flash memory? ditto Screen - LMAO Anything else you wanna add?

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