AT&T wants Verizon to pull ads

AT&T wants Verizon to pull ads
The nation's top two cellular operators are in a fight with number two AT&T claiming that top ranked Verizon is not playing fair. Already involved in a legal contest with Big Red over a number of hard-hitting Verizon commercials, on Wednesday AT&T asked the Federal Court in Atlanta to force Verizon to pull the ads immediately. Jim Gerace, a spokesman for Verizon, said, "What we are saying doesn't change." And what Big Red has been saying is that it offers 3G coverage in more locations than AT&T does. Verizon claims to have 5 times the 3G coverage as its' rival and that is not in dispute. What the number two carrier is complaining about is that maps are misleading in that they appear to show no AT&T coverage at all in non 3G locations. Verizon has put a subtitle into the ad that explains that AT&T offers other coverage in the "white, non-3G areas" on the map. This has not been able to placate the latter firm "If customers think they can't make calls in the vast majority of the country ... that could do us irreparable harm," said AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel. Siegel's company claims in its' own ads to have the "Nation's fastest 3G network" even though the majority of the network runs at 2.5G speed, or "EDGE"-a much slower network than 3G. The operator says its' 3G network reaches 75% of the U.S. population. "The reality is that (AT&T's) network is not performing well in many markets," says Walter Piecyk, a Pali Research analyst. "And the perception among consumers is even worse than reality." This battle will now proceed to the Island of high priced lawyers.

source: USATODAY

AT&T wants Verizon to pull ads


*UPDATE*
In a memo, AT&T has responded to the Verizon commercials by pointing out that their wireless coverage reaches 303 million people or 97% of the U.S. population where they work and live. 233 million people, or 75% of the U.S. population is reached by AT&T's 3G network which the carrier calls the nation's fastest. 301 million people or 96% of the population is reached by the 2.5G network jnown as EDGE. Between 3G and EDGE, customers can surf the net, send email or texts, streanm music, download pictures and more. 3G is obviously faster than EDGE.

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145 Comments

1. vzw fanman

Posts: 1976; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Omg at&t give it up already!!!

40. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

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67. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

91. CODYPHOBIA

Posts: 58; Member since: Jun 21, 2008

IF YOU enlarge the PHOTO your so proud of and read the key it clearly states thats their "NATIONAL DATA" meaning 3G and EDGE. That is not soley 3G coverage. I find it funny the article also states "AT&T has the weakest 3G coverage map of the three national 3G providers. Verizon blankets entire regions with 3G, but AT&T's coverage generally comes in tight splotches around metro areas, leaving a lot of smaller cities off the grid. AT&T is particularly strong in California, west Texas, and Oklahoma, but outside of those areas it falls noticeably behind Verizon."

114. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

Apple better watch out because AT&T can be the cause of their downfall. I think AT&T should just drop the charges because Verizon isn't really lying. But saying that, I'm still not ready to give up my iphone. I'd rather stick with the network than have lame-o phone that I will hate after 6 months of use.

145. Schmao

Posts: 365; Member since: Jul 05, 2009

METRO PCS IS THE BEST EVER, 8 BARS EVERYWHERE, EVEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. BEST PHONES BEST COVERAGE FASTEST 3G!LOL

2. InstinctDemon

Posts: 74; Member since: Nov 09, 2009

That commercial is hilarious, especially with the plane "You're gonna fit right in, hahahhaha" face splat!

42. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

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68. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

115. Big Red

Posts: 101; Member since: Dec 12, 2008

Hahahahaha

3. vzwman

Posts: 385; Member since: Oct 26, 2009

lol halairious

43. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/24/0,,i%3 D240227,00.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article/ATT%2BMobility%2B3G%2BHighSpeed% 2BData%2BHSDPA/211234_1.aspx&usg=__TJl_QZp74UyirDxUmvkS0crZ6S8=&h=250&w=275&sz=36&hl=en&start=22&um =1&tbnid=q8wPbpRbTYt8cM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAT%2526T%2B2009%2B3g%2Bonly%2Bmap%26n dsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1

69. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

4. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

Ok, first off this new blurb is wrong. AT&T is the number one provider. They have way more customers now then Verizon. That's why Verizon is hitting back with false advertisement. The map they show for AT&T is their 3G only map from 2008. The current 2009 map has more coverage, because AT&T has expanded since the 2008 map was released. AT&T's current 3G map is close to the same coverage as Verizon's 3G map. Also, in the commercials Verizon shows you their 3G + Digital coverage map. If they wanted to show that they should have also included AT&T's 2G map over lapping their 3G. They also elude in the commercials that the user of the iPhone has no service at all unless he is with in the 2008 3G coverage areas and in the white areas he is service-less. Verizon is hitting below the belt, because they have a crapy mandated cell phone OS, a poor selection of inferior handsets and a 3rd world network. CDMA = has been! What's the point of having a smart phone that can't take phone calls and use data services at the same time? Smart phones have smart people that multitask that's why smart people don't chose Verizon Wireless.

5. CODYPHOBIA

Posts: 58; Member since: Jun 21, 2008

Your an idiot. Verizon wireless has over 89 million subscribers to ATT's roughly 70million. Check your facts. If your iPhone had the 3G coverage maybe you can use it to google the correct information before you post next time.

6. CODYPHOBIA

Posts: 58; Member since: Jun 21, 2008

Oh...by the way...if you want to see accurate coverage goto wireless.att.com click coverage viewer...select data...and zoom in one time to actually show the 3g as their default map shows you EDGE + 3G

7. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

I am not wrong I have family that works at AT&T wireless. Make sure your looking at current numbers, son.

8. H3D

Posts: 1; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

LMAO!!!

9. CODYPHOBIA

Posts: 58; Member since: Jun 21, 2008

I cited sources on my numbers why dont you try to do the same..."SON" http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=data&lat=37.265625&lon=-96.416015625&sci=1

10. Kiltlifter

Posts: 742; Member since: Dec 11, 2008

Cody, I make this same arguement all the time. at&t purposefully puts the map like taht becuase their 3g coverage is sooooooo pathetic they don't want to outright post the coverage. It is blatantly misleading and it makes me laugh. AT&T needs to own up to the problem and make their 3g map larger, then maybe VZW would stop pounding the SH** out of them with the 5x more coverage ads.

11. CODYPHOBIA

Posts: 58; Member since: Jun 21, 2008

AMEN!

12. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

Yes it dose, however if you search google for "AT&T Wireless 3G Coverage Map" and then click "images" in the top left you will find their 2009 3G only coverage map. IDK why they don't just show it to you with out the 2G, probably some idiot AT&T does not want to show you that their 3G is not the best. Don't me wrong I'm not arguing that they have better coverage then Verizon I am arguing that it's far better then what they show you and the coverage you get is way superior to what Verizon offers... which is a fact. AT&T has grounds for the lawsuit.

13. kevinvogel13

Posts: 5; Member since: Oct 28, 2009

Wow, I didn't know that anybody still drank the kool-aid. Verizon, since their acquisition of Alltell IS the largest provider of cell phone service in the U.S. Also, to me at least, it seems that Verizon isn't even attacking the iPhone in this ad. The other Misfit Toys go out of their way to exclaim how nice the iPhone is. The issue IS their service. They do not have a network built out (square miles) that can compete with Verizon's. Also, before you call me a Verizon fan-boy, I'm with Sprint. CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP! When Sprint finally dies off in a few years I will certainly not be transferring my service to those whiny a-holes at AT&T, though. AT&T needs to man up and either build out a network that can compete in the boon docks like Verizon did or shut the hell up. You can't sue everybody that tells the truth about your company. As for the iPhone, I love it but don't get started with that bs about not being able to talk and use data at the same time. Yes, it's true but hell the iPhone can't even have multiple apps running at the same time. I mean, since we are talking about multitasking :)

17. kevinvogel13

Posts: 5; Member since: Oct 28, 2009

Is the idiot that works at AT&T that "does not want to show you that their 3G is not the best" also the same idiotic family member that gave you those ridiculous numbers that you could never come up with earlier? You're an idiot.

19. BrokenImaege

Posts: 173; Member since: Jul 27, 2009

Dude, you are so wrong. Verizon Wireless still has more subscribers overall. Go out and check the numbers. AT&T only beat Verizon Wireless this last quarter in adds on post paid contracts, not overall customers. Get your facts straight.......

21. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

The iPhone does use more then one app at a time. NOT 3rd party apps, but it runs the Phone, Mail, SMS, iPod, and a few other core apps. So to say it dose not multitask is not truly accurate. It is more accurate to say that it does not multitask secondary and 3rd party apps. I have to say that I always use my phone and data at the same time, but my job centers around my phone. AT&T currently does not want to run smear campaigns, but I think they need to smear the $^%& out of Verizon. They should open up their dookie shoot and let'er rip!

22. rjt185

Posts: 257; Member since: Jun 11, 2009

EDGE isn't 3G. deal.

24. phoneguy

Posts: 213; Member since: Jan 08, 2009

Theelysium, no offense but your family doesn't know their employer very well. After Verizon aquired Alltel they propelled past ATT to take over the #1 wireless carrier in subscribers, this sir is fact. http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=5711 This will show that ATT currently serves 78.2 million customers. http://aboutus.vzw.com/aboutusoverview.html This clearly shows that Verizon currently serves 89 million customers. Two more things to note 1. In theory and I say this and I cannot emphasize the word theory enough, HSPA or ATT's 3g is faster than CDMA rev A., however there is not enough bandwidth to handle the load that is placed on the network, therefore it is not the fastest, Its all about bandwidth..... 2. ATT reported in the 3rd quarter that they were roughly 2.5 million net adds positive of which roughly 2 million were I-Phone add ons. (they would be totally screwed with out this device) I also want to say that I do not work for either carrier and this is just unbiased plain as day anybody can look it up data.

25. theelysium

Posts: 48; Member since: Nov 13, 2009

Duah... did it take your Rocket Science to realize that EDGE = 2G?

26. phoneguy

Posts: 213; Member since: Jan 08, 2009

What ???????????????????????????????????????? where the hell did I mention Edge? or 2G ? I was replying to your comment about ATT being bigger than Verizon, moron. My rotary phone is faster than edge.

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