The Moto X is not a "mid-range" device, it's top-shelf
1. Birds (Posts: 1101; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
We all did it for the iPhone and the Z10 not even taking into consideration that the OS for both didn't call for some extremely high powered specs. In all honesty we have a false sense what is "high end" because certain OEMs believe in the idea of a specs race.
21. Twashbush (Posts: 47; Member since: 08 Jun 2011)
AFB. I agree but only because of it's limited OS, as much as I hate apple products for their crap OS's they run very smoothly.
33. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
It runs so smooth because its so limited. They didn't even have real multitasking till IOS 7.
74. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
And with real multitasking...IOS 7 is still completely smooth on the iPhone 5.
Youre really underestimating how much work Apple put into their Custom A6 SoC which still performs up to par with ANYTHING on the market. For gods sake I can pull a 626ms Sunspider score with a 1.3ghz Dual Core.
Software Optimization > Pure Hardware Muscle.
Motorola is doing it right.
80. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9689; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Multitasking on iOS 7 isn't completely smooth so stop pulling random facts from your ass. I have used a iPhone 5 for a full day, and while it's fast, it still stutters and struggles with multitasking. Given, it's still in beta, and I hope performance does get better because I'm at a 50/50 on getting the iPhone 5S.
190. Sesameopen (Posts: 106; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)
No, multitasking is becoming a pain on older devices like the iPhone 4.
88. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
iOS7 hasn't even been released yet, and tons of forums on the beta point to it being buggy. Stop making things up or at least wait for the official version to roll out.
262. Angelface77 (Posts: 32; Member since: 10 Sep 2012)
could not agree with you more, These geeks are clueless.
210. Trex95 (Posts: 647; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Low end and based on Unix and written with an advanced and developed C++?!
78. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
In terms of raw power, it's basically using a half year-old dual core S4 Pro clocked at 1.7GHz but there is a key difference as to why it performs better. It's not entirely a half year old, because it's using the new Krait 400 architecture unlike the original S4 Pro, so from what I understand it's kind of a weird fusion of new and old. Also, they made the Adreno 320 beefier too.
All in all, it's a somewhat custom SoC that is definitely not low end, but not offering crowning performance in benchmarks.
The reason for the higher price is simple: American manufacturing and assembly. A few days ago PA had an article showing that the American people were willing to pay more for products made in the USA. Now its time to see if you guys are the vocal minority, or if America truly doesn't want to give up those Chinese sweatshops...
219. Victor.H (Posts: 515; Member since: 27 May 2011)
A couple of points. First, it's not Krait 400, it's Krait 300.
Phone Arena is a place of different authors and opinions, and this article is a good illustration. For me, the Moto X clearly features a mid-range platform that is the S4 Pro and with Snapdragon 800 devices coming in a couple of months it will grow old quickly. Moreover, all initial opinions agree that its screen and camera are not all that impressive. The problem here is not in 720p (that's a factor too) and in megapixels alone.
While I disagree with Michael's opinions, I think this article makes an important point in underlining the good GPU of the Moto X. We may have different opinions, but having this discussion is important.
227. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Here's my take on the situation.
1. Moto X has a 720p display.
a) 1080p over 720 display:- Higher sharpness
b) 720p display over 1080p display:- Lower Power Consumption. Higher performance in Games.
2. Moto X has a dual core CPU.
a) Quad Core over Dual Core:- Higher Performance
b) Dual Core over Quad Core:- NO ADVANTAGE.
When you don't need the extra performance, quad cores consume that same amount of power as dual cores. HOWEVER, if you need more performance the Quad Core Chip will have the extra headroom, but dual core won't.
That's why having a 720p Super AMOLED Plus display isn't midrange.
BUT having a dual core IS MID-RANGE.
244. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
1) You can't really see the difference between 720p and 1080p unless you are specifically looking for the differences.
2) Moto X has a dual core CPU, with 2 companion cores that deal with other aspects of the phone. If you're looking for an advantage of the Moto X's "dual core" over a quad core, just look at battery life. You'd never be able to have a quad-core CPU constantly monitoring for voice commands and still offer a full day's worth of battery.
247. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
1) I don't have a 1080p phone. I only said that based on the what I have read on 15 or so review websites. It's obvious that the difference is not significant as the numbers might say.
But for a lot of people, it matters. They don't want to see the pixels even if they are like 3 cm from the screen and concentrating really hard on the screen. It really satisfies their ego. You have to keep that in mind.
2) Sorry if I am being rude bud did you take note of what I said. I said "more performance". I never said that extra features like standby voice commands or the notifications turning on when you pickup the device are useless. I can bet that for some people these features are just what they needed.
But you have to consider that there more countries on the planet other than USA or UK. My android phone doesn't catch my accent as good it does as for Americans or British people. Even if I specifically select the Voice-to-text pack for my country, it doesn't work as well as it should. So, for me and my country-mates (not sure if that's a word), it's just plain useless.
But I admit that the notifications turning on when I pick-up the device is really cool.
257. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5670; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
so you're not really giving your take on the situation, just your take on how the Moto X stacks up to your personal needs and preferences...
clearly the X8 offers advantages that the S600 simply does not...hell, the Moto X offers advantages that other Smartphones do not and could not offer unless they were using hardware with the same principals as the Moto X.
259. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
P.S. It was me who gave you the thumbs up.
252. itreday (Posts: 68; Member since: 24 May 2012)
Dual core over quad - LESS BATTERY CONSUMPTION..
258. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5670; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
not necessarily. it would depend on how it's configured.
228. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Yeah it was too late to edit when I re-checked. But yeah, noted.
229. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
I think generally most people understand that it's a great phone. Just not at the price that it is currently at.
Still, at the same time, Motorola is a hardware maker, and amidst concerns, Google wanted to make clear that Motorola wouldn't get any special favors. LG, HTC, Sony etc. are all having a hard time breaking 5% of the Android marketshare, and if Motorola who was behind all of them all of a sudden vaults over them, they will disown Android and go with Windows Phone. With a little more, Samsung could get a sour taste in their mouth. It's arguable how much of the userbase will follow Samsung to Tizen, but it won't be trivial.
This means that Google can't give Motorola an unfair advantage and start subsidizing the phones like crazy. They also made huge investments in American assembling and customizations never before seen for a smartphone yet.
People only seem to care about the low price, but if Motorola starts matching Samsung's Android share, Motorola will become too powerful and I think its foolish for people to think that they won't act any differently than if Samsung and Apple if they got to that point...
169. akki20892 (Posts: 3749; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Moto x is not mid range device............
r u kidding me
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183. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
You have to look beyond the cores of the CPU.
187. Dr.Phil (Posts: 971; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
It has better specifications than the device pictured in your icon, so if you are willing to admit that a Lumia device is mid range as well then we may be on the same page.
206. whysoserious (Posts: 317; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Agreed. This article also made me realize that it's not always about the number of cores, but how smartphone utilize these cores effectively. With that being said, it makes me think that Samsung is just using the cpu cores as a marketing strategy, so that people will think more cores is equal to better performance. But that's not the case since a lot of people are reporting about how the S4 lags, inspite of it having 1.9 ghz snap600.
266. medicci37 (Posts: 887; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
This paid article is bs. If you can't tell the difference between 720 & 1080p you need glasses. Also screen is 2 small for high end device. & if part of battery life is such a issue, they should have used the 600. Much better battery life with 600 even though it's clocked higher
5. kozza3 (Posts: 594; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
if it had a modified S600 with a 1080p screen would you have been happy?
272. lola99 (Posts: 33; Member since: 03 Aug 2013)
and if it had worse battery life as a result of that, would you have been happy?
69. Omarc07 (Posts: 294; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
me too after owning xperia z ,galaxy s4 i really like 1080 p screens i wouldnt go back to 720 even the xperia z which people complain a lot about looks great better than my old iphone 5.
130. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I see ppl complaining about the specs....and I hate to sound like iPhone fans...but...specs dont matter for the overall device....ugghh...lol.
I had a Samsung HDTV that was new in 2007 or 2008, 60Hz and some other specs...I have a Toshiba 3D TV, 120Hz or 240 Hz, some other specs..
My 5 years old Samsung looks better than my year old Toshiba. Blacks and viewing angles just off the top of my head. Specs arent everything. I was also one that was like "whats up with the specs"...until more info came out about the phone. Now I'm like....niiice....
182. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3135; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
80% of the people around here are spec crazy.
25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Care to elaborate on why you would say that?
29. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
It's missing 2 cores, missing 1080 HD, missing 3 megapixels(camera), low battery capacity,,,etc. If missing these features, then price should be lower.
39. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Right. So, your argument is "the numbers aren't bigger"? That's not really a solid argument.
And, the unlocked price of the device is lower than those that have those "bigger numbers".
55. evarod48 (Posts: 152; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
it's basically a lotus elise, sure the engine may be small but faster than a lot of cars with bigger engines. In other words, it's an awesome device. Can't wait to hear more about it!
76. Paradox (Posts: 123; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
Just because the graphics benchmarks are higher, doesnt make it high end. The resolution is lower, end of story. It's like saying instead of buying a new graphics card for my PC, I should downgrade to a lower resolution monitor. People don't want to pay for a flagship device and get a mid ranger, that's all there is to it.
239. Charlie_boy (Posts: 67; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
seemed, I misposted a secong comment.. editing it out, since I can't delete.. cheers!
240. Charlie_boy (Posts: 67; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
I think you've missed Michael's point on the resolution. For smartphones, the real life difference in quality is neglible between 7220 and 1080. You'll just be paying an extra buck for diminishing returns in quality.
Monitors's are a different thing.. They haven't reached resolutions high enough for the quality to be negligible. I agree with you, and think it's absurd to downgrade you're monitor for the sake of your desktop GPU. This places desktop monitors in a different league, however. So the analogy is not a good one to make.
I like MichaelH's stance on the specs... Sometimes having frugal specs isn't bad at all.. Same reason why I bought the Xperia SP (720p, Dual 1.7GHz Dual Core, 2300mAh). If it had 1080p and Quad core, it would be sluggish and have less uptime.
242. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
If the sp had quad core and 1080p it would run just as well, it wouldn't be sluggish. The HTC one xperia z etc etc all run just as fast as a 720p device.. Point is 1080p doesn't have to mean you will get sluggish device as long as you fit it with the right spec.. BTW I think this is a top end phone just not bleeding edge
267. Charlie_boy (Posts: 67; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
Agreed.. but you'll get less uptime unless you pump up the battery too.
184. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
High end=top end of that platform.
Do you consider xperia zr as highend? How about nexus 4?
Its upper mid range.
198. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Weird...but let me try to put it another way...Moto's GPU is high-end, I'll give you that. However, their screen is not high-end, camera is not high-end, even their battery is not high-end. What makes you think Moto is high-end device other than the GPU??
Since S3 has most of what Moto X has, does it still make it a high-end, top-shelf device as well in 2013(not 2012)?
For most people and companies, high-end device is quad-core, 1080 HD, at least 13 mega-pixel, and high capacity battery(samsung, sony, lg, htc(other than camera), and most other android makers).
How do you define high-end device? Dual-core, 720 HD, 10 mega-pixel, low capacity battery, is this the new high-end, top shelf standard now? If this is the new high-end, what do you call devices that are step above this? Ultra high-end??
205. frydaexiii (Posts: 1314; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
So in other words, you're telling us that if someone out there manages to optimize Android to run completely smooth on say Galaxy S specs (Single core) and throw a crapload of features in, they are allowed to sell it to people for Galaxy S4/One prices?
Keep dreaming, only iPhone users will ever buy that (It works > Future proof hardware).
213. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Michael, specs arent everything for OSes such as iOS and WP however android has become a OS for spec junkies and major performance which the mot X isn't. So at this time it is not a flagship however if it ushers in a new legacy of less demanding android phones then yes i would agree with you....
41. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Are these specs needed? No, but people expect to get high end specs when they pay premium price for their phones.
52. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
You can't tell the difference between 1080 and 720 lol.
10 mp vs 13 mp, again will you really know the difference? .
By the way, the gs4 has quad core and lags sometimes!!! You have no argument broski.
249. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Have you used both 720p and 1080p phones?
If not, then how can you claim that there is no difference?
If yes, then just skip my comment.
161. ecmedic4 (Posts: 213; Member since: 02 May 2013)
If it runs smoothly and efficiently without those 2 extra cores then i dont see the big deal. You aren't gonna notice a difference between 720 and 1080 unless you look at your phone under a magnifying glass, as far as camera, more megapixels don't mean better pictures, the sensor, sensor size, and processing software have more to do with the picture than the megapixel count. More megapixels is mostly if you want to make larger prints without losing detail. Specs aren't the only important thing, and don't mean everything, ppl need to learn that.
188. Dr.Phil (Posts: 971; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
It's also missing a bulkier UI. Let's face it, Samsung's TouchWiz is much more bulkier than the almost stock Android UI that comes with the Moto X.
The difference between a 1080p and a 720p screen on a device with a screen that is less than 5 inches is not that noticeable. I would be more concerned about color quality and brightness output than those extra pixels you may not even really notice.
If you think the amount of megapixels determines the performance of a camera then you are sadly mistaken. There is a lot more behind the numbers that really matter such as the aperture size or shutter speed.
The battery may be a lower capacity but that is also because it is using more power saving technology, so it evens itself out.
I agree with you the price should've been lower, but I disagree with you on the fact that a high end device is determined by having the larger amount of numbers on the spec sheet.
248. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
1) Missing 2 cores? Agreed.
2) Missing 1080p? Somewhat agreed.
2) Missing 3 meagapixels? Don't you care about the fact that it has a 20% larger sensor as compared to the SGS4?
4) Low battery capacity? Droid Maxx to the rescue!!
32. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
don't bother, it'll be like trying to nail jell-o to a tree
53. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
How many cores do 99% of applications use, 2 or 4? 1.
46. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Its upper midrange, its on the same level as the nexus 4.
Mid range is stuff like the Xperia SL, most of Alcatels devices and LG Optimus F7 and all of last years flagships.
The only dual core chip that can hold its own against a snapdragon 600 is intels which are in very few phones.
42. Feanor (Posts: 409; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
I agree. it's not only the processing power of the device... it's the lack of 1080p screen, the 4.7" size of it, the plastic construction... even the benchmark results according to GSM Arena are not much better than an Xperia SP which is certainly a mid ranger. I don't understand what the article is trying to say. The only decidedly flagship characteristic of this device is it's elevated price...
106. Dro (Posts: 27; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)
So you're saying all Samsung phones are mid-range? Because they're all plastic inside out. However, the Moto X has an aluminum interior frame